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Have you ever find Kashmir problem is discuss in Indian Supreme Court as balouchistan is now discussed in Pakistan supreme court.
OVER A COFFEE : Balochistan or Waziristan first? — Dr Haider Shah
The Baloch leaders are right in claiming that they could only participate in elections if a conducive environment for political activities is created first
Balochistan grabbed the headlines when Akhtar Mengal appeared before the Supreme Court last week. Articulating his views quite well, the former chief minister of Balochistan compared his six demands to the six-point programme of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman of East Pakistan. Even though the Baloch leader deliberately made a thinly veiled threat of parting ways with Pakistan, unlike the Awami League leaders, he did not sound rebellious.
Through his six-point programme, Sheikh Mujib had demanded a kind of confederation with only defence and foreign affairs remaining with the Centre. No separatist demand has been made by Akhtar Mengal and if the contents of the six demands are examined, one can hardly see any departure from what the Constitution has already guaranteed to all citizens of Pakistan. Who can disagree with Mengal if he demands the safe return of missing persons and an end to the state-sponsored target killing in Balochistan? The response of the present PPP-led government however has been timid, betraying its lack of faith in itself. The aggrieved Baloch leaders are therefore justified in their lack of trust in the capability of the present government to make any progress on the Balochistan front.
We all think in terms of bounded rationality dictated by our training and circumstances. How Institutions think? is a popular work of Mary Douglas in which she examines the role of shared vision in shaping institutional thinking of various organisations. The military, as an organisation, has its own peculiar way of looking at the world and its decision-making therefore suffers from the fatal flaw of seeing things in black and white. While the military is often employed as an important provider of input, the job of resolution of complex disputes remains the forte of politicians. In 1971, the military strategists viewed the deep-rooted East Pakistan situation as a mere law and order problem and thought they could fix it with Operation Searchlight. The big brains in the military establishment are again trying to impose a military solution on a combustible situation in Balochistan. Due to its alleged deadly embrace of al Qaeda linked terrorists, Pakistan already suffers from a trustworthiness problem and the human rights abuses in Balochistan will hardly make its image any better.
It is not all gloom and doom though. Historically, Punjab has been accused by the smaller provinces, especially Balochistan, of exploitation. The PML-N as the representative of the largest province of Pakistan, however, appears not to be in the bad books of the Baloch leaders like Mengal. If the gulf between Punjab and Balochistan narrows, it would be a positive step towards national reconciliation. It is important for the leaders of the mainstream parties to develop a strategic consensus on showing solidarity with the genuine demands of the Baloch leaders so that their return to national politics is made possible. Standing next to Mengal for a photo opportunity is not enough. They should all demand that the uniformed men should vacate decision-making positions to the politicians. Hopefully, fair and free elections can prove a panacea for the grievous wounds inflicted by successive regimes upon Balochistan. But the Baloch leaders are right in claiming that they could only participate in elections if a conducive environment for political activities is created first.
The Baloch leaders also need to know that while cherishing tribal identity is an inalienable right of all citizens of Pakistan, tribalism itself cannot co-exist inside the notion of a modern democratic state forever. In order to remain a leader, the claimant must serve the electorate. The critics of Baloch tribal leaders contend that they do not spend enough on social sectors like education and health so that the old tribal structure may stay intact. No doubt, Mengal rightly takes the credit for establishing the Bolan University, but much more needs to be done for education in Balochistan. They also need to understand that when developmental projects are launched, skilled labour from various parts of the world, including the other provinces of Pakistan, will have to be welcomed. If the trust deficit is not huge, all stakeholders realise that development demands long-term partnerships.
When the Mehran naval base was being attacked by the Taliban-affiliated terrorists, Imran Khan was busy in a futile dharna (sit-in) to express solidarity with the Taliban. Now when the Supreme Court, national media and political leaders are all discussing the Balochistan situation with a sense of urgency, he is staging a march to Waziristan. He had earlier claimed that his public meetings in Karachi and Quetta would usher in a new era of peace and prosperity. Neither do energy problems get resolved with water-run cars, nor do conflicts go away by music-enthralled crowds or white people-led marches. If Khan was leading the march to sign a peace treaty with the main Taliban leaders in which they declare a renunciation of extremism after laying down their arms and express their allegiance to the Constitution of Pakistan, I would have today extended my warmest support. But demanding security from the Taliban for his march, he is rather surrendering the sovereignty of the state to a paramilitary force that takes pride in beheading captured soldiers of Pakistan. In a television programme, the visitors from abroad were expressing concerns for human rights violations in Waziristan. Would it not be a good idea to take them to the relatives of missing persons and the leaders of the Hazara community in Balochistan as well? After all, human misery has neither any nationality nor any faith.
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OVER A COFFEE : Balochistan or Waziristan first? — Dr Haider Shah
The Baloch leaders are right in claiming that they could only participate in elections if a conducive environment for political activities is created first
Balochistan grabbed the headlines when Akhtar Mengal appeared before the Supreme Court last week. Articulating his views quite well, the former chief minister of Balochistan compared his six demands to the six-point programme of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman of East Pakistan. Even though the Baloch leader deliberately made a thinly veiled threat of parting ways with Pakistan, unlike the Awami League leaders, he did not sound rebellious.
Through his six-point programme, Sheikh Mujib had demanded a kind of confederation with only defence and foreign affairs remaining with the Centre. No separatist demand has been made by Akhtar Mengal and if the contents of the six demands are examined, one can hardly see any departure from what the Constitution has already guaranteed to all citizens of Pakistan. Who can disagree with Mengal if he demands the safe return of missing persons and an end to the state-sponsored target killing in Balochistan? The response of the present PPP-led government however has been timid, betraying its lack of faith in itself. The aggrieved Baloch leaders are therefore justified in their lack of trust in the capability of the present government to make any progress on the Balochistan front.
We all think in terms of bounded rationality dictated by our training and circumstances. How Institutions think? is a popular work of Mary Douglas in which she examines the role of shared vision in shaping institutional thinking of various organisations. The military, as an organisation, has its own peculiar way of looking at the world and its decision-making therefore suffers from the fatal flaw of seeing things in black and white. While the military is often employed as an important provider of input, the job of resolution of complex disputes remains the forte of politicians. In 1971, the military strategists viewed the deep-rooted East Pakistan situation as a mere law and order problem and thought they could fix it with Operation Searchlight. The big brains in the military establishment are again trying to impose a military solution on a combustible situation in Balochistan. Due to its alleged deadly embrace of al Qaeda linked terrorists, Pakistan already suffers from a trustworthiness problem and the human rights abuses in Balochistan will hardly make its image any better.
It is not all gloom and doom though. Historically, Punjab has been accused by the smaller provinces, especially Balochistan, of exploitation. The PML-N as the representative of the largest province of Pakistan, however, appears not to be in the bad books of the Baloch leaders like Mengal. If the gulf between Punjab and Balochistan narrows, it would be a positive step towards national reconciliation. It is important for the leaders of the mainstream parties to develop a strategic consensus on showing solidarity with the genuine demands of the Baloch leaders so that their return to national politics is made possible. Standing next to Mengal for a photo opportunity is not enough. They should all demand that the uniformed men should vacate decision-making positions to the politicians. Hopefully, fair and free elections can prove a panacea for the grievous wounds inflicted by successive regimes upon Balochistan. But the Baloch leaders are right in claiming that they could only participate in elections if a conducive environment for political activities is created first.
The Baloch leaders also need to know that while cherishing tribal identity is an inalienable right of all citizens of Pakistan, tribalism itself cannot co-exist inside the notion of a modern democratic state forever. In order to remain a leader, the claimant must serve the electorate. The critics of Baloch tribal leaders contend that they do not spend enough on social sectors like education and health so that the old tribal structure may stay intact. No doubt, Mengal rightly takes the credit for establishing the Bolan University, but much more needs to be done for education in Balochistan. They also need to understand that when developmental projects are launched, skilled labour from various parts of the world, including the other provinces of Pakistan, will have to be welcomed. If the trust deficit is not huge, all stakeholders realise that development demands long-term partnerships.
When the Mehran naval base was being attacked by the Taliban-affiliated terrorists, Imran Khan was busy in a futile dharna (sit-in) to express solidarity with the Taliban. Now when the Supreme Court, national media and political leaders are all discussing the Balochistan situation with a sense of urgency, he is staging a march to Waziristan. He had earlier claimed that his public meetings in Karachi and Quetta would usher in a new era of peace and prosperity. Neither do energy problems get resolved with water-run cars, nor do conflicts go away by music-enthralled crowds or white people-led marches. If Khan was leading the march to sign a peace treaty with the main Taliban leaders in which they declare a renunciation of extremism after laying down their arms and express their allegiance to the Constitution of Pakistan, I would have today extended my warmest support. But demanding security from the Taliban for his march, he is rather surrendering the sovereignty of the state to a paramilitary force that takes pride in beheading captured soldiers of Pakistan. In a television programme, the visitors from abroad were expressing concerns for human rights violations in Waziristan. Would it not be a good idea to take them to the relatives of missing persons and the leaders of the Hazara community in Balochistan as well? After all, human misery has neither any nationality nor any faith.
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Foolish people posting pics of kashmiri police as indian army 
Even compare kashmir with karachi,you will see which city seen most bloodshed in last 2-3 yrs
Even compare kashmir with karachi,you will see which city seen most bloodshed in last 2-3 yrs
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Foolish people posting pics of kashmiri police as indian army
Even compare kashmir with karachi,you will see which city seen most bloodshed in last 2-3 yrs
Compare anything with India, you will think even Somalia, trash, dirt, grime is the best country in the world... Atleast Somalia is safer than India
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and pakistan is worst than somalia
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if somalia is safer then why paksitanis come here in india for medical facilities??
if somalia is safer then y ur actor or singers come here n do bark
?so somalia is better than pakistan??
bring smthng else sir...
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See even Khalistan has a website of its own... Give them independence, you cant even take care 70% of your citizens
Khalistan Admitted to UNPO
Khalistan recognized internationally, a historic landmark. Sikh Nation vows to reclaim its lost sovereignty.
Nishan Sahib (Sikh Flag) hoisted along with other nations flags. Khalistan was admitted to UNPO on Jan 23, 1993 and Khalistan’s flag (Nishan Sahib) hoisted at UNPO’S (Unrepresented Nations Peoples Organizations) General Assembly meeting at The Hague, Netherlands, a major milestone in the struggle for reclamation of the lost Sikh sovereignty and for the freedom of Sikh Homeland of Punjab, Khalistan. The last time the Sikh Flag (Nishan Sahib) flew over the sovereign Sikh state was in 1849. Sikh nation lost its sovereignty to the British. On Jan 23, 1993, one hundered forty four years after the Sikhs lost their sovereignty, Dr. Gurmit Singh Aulakh, Dr.Paramjit Singh Ajrawat and S. Bhupinder Singh signed the covenant of Khalistan’s admission into UNPO.
KHALISTAN & UNPO : Self-determination conference Jan 22-23, 1993 Hague, Netherlands.
Refer to page 25:
“15. KHALISTAN
Self-determination stands for freedom and justice. Freedom is the most basic human right. When freedom is denied, every other right is denied. In Punjab/Khalistan the people are not free. Indian police and military forces occupy the territory and are guilty of serious human right violations, which include torture, rape and murder.
When the British left India in 1947, it was agreed that the Sikhs would gain autonomy in the Province of Punjab. However India did not honor its obligations. In 1987, after 40 years of suffering and oppression, the Sikh Nation declared its independence from India, forming the separate country of Khalistan. However the independence is not recognized by India. Like many other governments the Government of India invokes the principle of territorial integrity to protect its borders. Used in this way the principle is thus contradictory to the principle of self-determination and should therefore be condemned. Khalistan seeks independence by peaceful, democratic and non-violent means. It requests the UNPO among others to press India to allow Amnesty International within its borders to investigate the human rights violations in Punjab, Nagaland, Kashmir and all other places where people are suppressed. General suggestions to the UNPO are to ask Latvia and Estonia to take up the causes of the UNPO-members in the UN and to press the international community (especially the World Bank, the IMF and the donor nations) to link aid to respect for human rights and for freedom. In this context, the UNPO should make a list of nations that abuse human rights and distribute it to potential donors.“
Gore Letter Implies Recognition of Khalistan
WASHINGTON, D.C., February 24 — In a letter to Dr. Gurmit Singh Aulakh, President of the Council of Khalistan, Vice President Al Gore wrote, “Thank you for writing to me regarding the ongoing civil conflict in Khalistan.”
By acknowledging “the civil conflict in Khalistan,” the letter implies recognition of Khalistan’s independence. Khalistan is the Sikh homeland which was declared independent on October 7, 1987. At that time, the Council of Khalistan was formed to lead the struggle to liberate Khalistan as the government pro tempore of Khalistan.
“By this statement, the Vice President makes it clear that U.S. foreign policy supports human rights, including the basic right to national self-determination which underlies the Sikh struggle for an independent Khalistan,” said Dr. Aulakh.
Punjab, Khalistan was independent from 1765 to 1849. It was the last part of the subcontinent to be conquered by the British. Sikhs are two-thirds of the population of Punjab and own 95 percent of the land there. In the recent elections, the Sikhs of Punjab overwhelmingly rejected Congress Party rule, which has brought about the murders of over 50,000 Sikhs in five years. This was a clear demand for an independent Khalistan.
When India was given its independence, the Sikhs were denied resumption of their independent status. The Sikhs were promised autonomy and they were given the Congress Party’s solemn pledge that no law affecting Sikh rights would pass without the consent of the Sikh Nation. But as soon as the ink was dry, the Indian regime broke these promises. As a result, no Sikh has ever signed the Indian constitution, denying Sikh assent to Indian rule.
Vice President Gore wrote that “civil conflict in any nation, and the inevitable hardship and bloodshed that it inflicts on that nation’s civilian population, offends our sense of human dignity and our humanitarian ideals.” The Indian regime has murdered more than 200,000 Sikhs in Khalistan since 1984, according to the Punjab Civil Service (PCS), the group which represents state magistrates across Punjab, Khalistan.
“The breakup of India is inevitable,” said Dr. Aulakh. “Many experts, from Dr. Jack Wheeler of the Freedom Research Foundation to Professor Stanley Wolpert of UCLA to the authors of A Quick and Dirty History of War have predicted it,” Dr. Aulakh pointed out. “We are glad that the Administration, through Vice President Gore, has acknowledged the Sikh Nation’s status as a nation and its right to national slf-determination. With the support of the Administration and our many friends in Congress, the Sikh Nation will celebrate its three-hundredth anniversary in a sovereign, independent Khalistan,” he said.
Khalistan Admitted to UNPO
Khalistan recognized internationally, a historic landmark. Sikh Nation vows to reclaim its lost sovereignty.
Nishan Sahib (Sikh Flag) hoisted along with other nations flags. Khalistan was admitted to UNPO on Jan 23, 1993 and Khalistan’s flag (Nishan Sahib) hoisted at UNPO’S (Unrepresented Nations Peoples Organizations) General Assembly meeting at The Hague, Netherlands, a major milestone in the struggle for reclamation of the lost Sikh sovereignty and for the freedom of Sikh Homeland of Punjab, Khalistan. The last time the Sikh Flag (Nishan Sahib) flew over the sovereign Sikh state was in 1849. Sikh nation lost its sovereignty to the British. On Jan 23, 1993, one hundered forty four years after the Sikhs lost their sovereignty, Dr. Gurmit Singh Aulakh, Dr.Paramjit Singh Ajrawat and S. Bhupinder Singh signed the covenant of Khalistan’s admission into UNPO.
KHALISTAN & UNPO : Self-determination conference Jan 22-23, 1993 Hague, Netherlands.
Refer to page 25:
“15. KHALISTAN
Self-determination stands for freedom and justice. Freedom is the most basic human right. When freedom is denied, every other right is denied. In Punjab/Khalistan the people are not free. Indian police and military forces occupy the territory and are guilty of serious human right violations, which include torture, rape and murder.
When the British left India in 1947, it was agreed that the Sikhs would gain autonomy in the Province of Punjab. However India did not honor its obligations. In 1987, after 40 years of suffering and oppression, the Sikh Nation declared its independence from India, forming the separate country of Khalistan. However the independence is not recognized by India. Like many other governments the Government of India invokes the principle of territorial integrity to protect its borders. Used in this way the principle is thus contradictory to the principle of self-determination and should therefore be condemned. Khalistan seeks independence by peaceful, democratic and non-violent means. It requests the UNPO among others to press India to allow Amnesty International within its borders to investigate the human rights violations in Punjab, Nagaland, Kashmir and all other places where people are suppressed. General suggestions to the UNPO are to ask Latvia and Estonia to take up the causes of the UNPO-members in the UN and to press the international community (especially the World Bank, the IMF and the donor nations) to link aid to respect for human rights and for freedom. In this context, the UNPO should make a list of nations that abuse human rights and distribute it to potential donors.“
Gore Letter Implies Recognition of Khalistan
WASHINGTON, D.C., February 24 — In a letter to Dr. Gurmit Singh Aulakh, President of the Council of Khalistan, Vice President Al Gore wrote, “Thank you for writing to me regarding the ongoing civil conflict in Khalistan.”
By acknowledging “the civil conflict in Khalistan,” the letter implies recognition of Khalistan’s independence. Khalistan is the Sikh homeland which was declared independent on October 7, 1987. At that time, the Council of Khalistan was formed to lead the struggle to liberate Khalistan as the government pro tempore of Khalistan.
“By this statement, the Vice President makes it clear that U.S. foreign policy supports human rights, including the basic right to national self-determination which underlies the Sikh struggle for an independent Khalistan,” said Dr. Aulakh.
Punjab, Khalistan was independent from 1765 to 1849. It was the last part of the subcontinent to be conquered by the British. Sikhs are two-thirds of the population of Punjab and own 95 percent of the land there. In the recent elections, the Sikhs of Punjab overwhelmingly rejected Congress Party rule, which has brought about the murders of over 50,000 Sikhs in five years. This was a clear demand for an independent Khalistan.
When India was given its independence, the Sikhs were denied resumption of their independent status. The Sikhs were promised autonomy and they were given the Congress Party’s solemn pledge that no law affecting Sikh rights would pass without the consent of the Sikh Nation. But as soon as the ink was dry, the Indian regime broke these promises. As a result, no Sikh has ever signed the Indian constitution, denying Sikh assent to Indian rule.
Vice President Gore wrote that “civil conflict in any nation, and the inevitable hardship and bloodshed that it inflicts on that nation’s civilian population, offends our sense of human dignity and our humanitarian ideals.” The Indian regime has murdered more than 200,000 Sikhs in Khalistan since 1984, according to the Punjab Civil Service (PCS), the group which represents state magistrates across Punjab, Khalistan.
“The breakup of India is inevitable,” said Dr. Aulakh. “Many experts, from Dr. Jack Wheeler of the Freedom Research Foundation to Professor Stanley Wolpert of UCLA to the authors of A Quick and Dirty History of War have predicted it,” Dr. Aulakh pointed out. “We are glad that the Administration, through Vice President Gore, has acknowledged the Sikh Nation’s status as a nation and its right to national slf-determination. With the support of the Administration and our many friends in Congress, the Sikh Nation will celebrate its three-hundredth anniversary in a sovereign, independent Khalistan,” he said.
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Khalistan website- Khalistan » Sovereign Nation
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1993 news.....
They said in 1993 Khalistan was admitted into UN. Its not 1993 news, and the Khalistan site gets updated everyday
