Chabahar vs Gwadar Port

[pursuit of happiness]

Chabahar seems nicer, but there are less borders to worry about if you're going from China to Gwadar.

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when gwadar and chbhar going operational ?

 

[SrNair]

Pakistan has very little strategic depth from east to west; Gwadar will increase this strategic depth considerably, as a strategic port being further away from India. The additional distance of 460 Kms away from India will decrease the vulnerability of Pakistan and any naval threat.

Gwadar will help Pakistan to monitor the Sea Lines of Communications (SLOCs) originating from the Persian Gulf and bottle neck at Strait of Hormuz. Strategically, considering the establishment of Naval Bases at Gwadar and Ormara by Pakistan, presence of USA in Persian Gulf and Indian aspiration to emerge as a Blue Water Navy will be checked. This will also establish Pak-China naval nexus to deny maneavour space to Indian Navy in Indian Ocean.

Gwadar is most suitable alternate port apart from Karachi and Bin Qasim Ports.

Its location is close to the international SLOCs and is suitable for trans-shipment facilities.

It offers natural protection against weather.

It is more suitable for capitalizing trade opportunities with
energy rich Afghanistan and Caspian Region.

Gwadar Port being a gateway to the Persian Gulf at the Hurmoz Strait will offer various harbour services like show casing and storage of sea resources, shipment, trans- shipment, and manufacturing conveniences for regional, extra
regional key players, UAE and European nations.

Chinese naval presence at this critical choke point of Gulf can not only check the INDO-US domination of Indian Ocean but can also strive to achieve its aim of being a naval power.

Apart from the utilization of port an existing land link can be of help to China in improving its ever expanding trade to Central Asia, Middle East and Africa, as it will reduce the sea distance to 2500 kms instead of 10000km.

waters of Gwadar one can regulator the whole Indian Ocean with trade courses of far eastern countries, Pacific Rim and Persian Gulf Region. Pakistan will be able to prevent any ‘bottling’ of its navy as was witnessed during the Indo–Pakistan conflict in 1971 and also during the Kargil crisis, by developing Gwadar. The port will afford strategic depth to Pakistan’s marine assets, both commercial and military. Gwadar Sea Port is not only providing strategic depth to Pakistan but will surely bring in prosperity for entire region

Gwadar will help Pakistan to monitor the SLOCs from the Persian Gulf. Gwadar is of strategic importance, lying across the SLOCs emanating out of the strategic choke point of Hormuz, from where 13 million barrels of oil is transported daily

I agree.Development of Gwadar itself will reduce the vulnerability of Pakistan for a certain extent.But only when it comes to the Indian Navy.You cant bring US naval power in to that calculus.China is not match for US when it comes to the Naval capability.Still they can block entire Persian Gulf if they need.e

But here I just only meant about raw naval power.Diplomacy and consequences is another subject.

 

[SrNair]

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Indian fellow debater in this discussion downplayes Gawadar project, "This will only be backup sea port for China in case of war for oil & gas transport" I was reffering to this .This is a complete seaport which will be used for commerce, military, privat matters etc etc.

40 billion usd , who said 19 crore was been invested into this project. If India is investing 125 crore , so what. It dosent matter Pakistan or Gawadar seaport. Its Indian who are downplaying Gawadar in this whole thread, Pakistanis arent downplaying the other seaport here.

We dont care what you guys do other places , dont matter us. Mind your language by the way.

Dont be so innocent .A good competition of two ports is good for the development of Iranians and Pakistanis.

Mr,I was talking about population not money 125 means our population.We are spending several times higher than 125 crore in Chabhar.
But you should also know China is also eager to expand their trade through the Chabhar port.Its all abiut trade competition.
I dont know more about Balochistan.But when I searched internet I could understand that Chabhar is far away better than balochistan due to its perfect security and relatively better infras and other facilities.
Gwadar would be commercial port in future.But for that more than 40 billion$ may be needed and perfect security also.

 

[Yogijaat]

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Indian fellow debater in this discussion downplayes Gawadar project, "This will only be backup sea port for China in case of war for oil & gas transport" I was reffering to this .This is a complete seaport which will be used for commerce, military, privat matters etc etc.

40 billion usd , who said 19 crore was been invested into this project. If India is investing 125 crore , so what. It dosent matter Pakistan or Gawadar seaport. Its Indian who are downplaying Gawadar in this whole thread, Pakistanis arent downplaying the other seaport here.

We dont care what you guys do other places , dont matter us. Mind your language by the way.

Nobody is downplaying Gwadar. Gwadar will bring economic prosperity to pakistan no doubt about it. But anything that is iranian is strategically more important than anything pakistani. Even chinese know it and they too are investing in chabbar.

 

[SrNair]

Here is my thought...

1- Gwadar and Chabar post is not as black and white and it is between India and Pakistan...We have to remember than India has limitation of usage Gwadar port but the limitation does not exist for China or Pakistan to use Chabbar port. That means that it should not be an issue for Pakistan or China whatever happens to Chabbar as they can use the port for their economic intrest as they have good tie with Iran.

2- In the long run, the viability of Chabbar depends on how much West and Iran relation holds good. If Iran continues to be sanctioned like as it is now, then my bet is in Gwadar, because it has an advantage that China and other nation can invest in the port without worried about sanction. Although Gwadar is not developed as a city like Chabbar but China will invest and make it developed for them to use it for dual purpose.

3- And the most important factor is that India is not China....It means a lot to other countries wrt to commitment to maintain their pacts....India will always be defensive when they will go out to invest in Iran because West will pressurise it. Honestly, India does not have potential to counter West at this point of time, where as China can try it out if it wish to do it.
4- India and Iran is not so much alligned to each other in all aspect as China and Pakistan....So it has a better posibility that Gwadar will develop becuase it is a joint project between 2 allies where Chabar is not...Chabbar is an economic investment...Gwadar is an military/economic and show pice of China to Pakistan about how much they care about Pakistan...
So China will go ahead and fulfill its commitment without any restriction but this kind of luxury is not there for India.


So in case India really wish to move ahead in Chabbar, we need a strong GOV and will power to go ahead with the project. Which i feel it is not there as of now. So in short, my penny is on Gwadar more than Chabbar although i would like to see it otherwise...

You underestimated our present govt.Our PM is good for development and he meant business.So international pressure will not be that effective when it comes to Narendra Modi.

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when gwadar and chbhar going operational ?

According to OP the Chabhar will commission in this year.I dont know about Gwadar.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

You underestimated our present govt.Our PM is good for development and he meant business.So international pressure will not be that effective when it comes to Narendra Modi.


According to OP the Chabhar will commission in this year.I dont know about Gwadar.

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but seems by pic
gwadar has large trasnport bays already filled with many trucks..
its seems it been already done..
atleast in front end...
backend connectivity .. road , railways, finanancial support dont know..
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Chabhar
its looks atleast from pic wil take time
how about backend connectivity
is financial system devloped for it
who will be major compettoire for this port

 

[Winchester]

well if the indians want to do business with Afghanistan via chabbar the road to kabul would have to go through Kandahar southern Afghanistan and taliban already have a strong influence there what will be the situation when Nato leaves???....In the case of both Ports their are still a lot of ifs...if the security situation improves??..if the sanctions on iran are lifted??...personally i see a win-win here it wouldnt be like chabbar or gawadar

 

[suresh1773]

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@Spy Master,@Otocal
Gwadar is located near Balochistan where there is insurgency for more then 5 decades,another Karachi type Airport attack or the attack on PNS Naval Base,everything will be back to square one

 

[Winchester]

@Spy Master,@Otocal
Gwadar is located near Balochistan where there is insurgency for more then 5 decades,another Karachi type Airport attack or the attack on PNS Naval Base,everything will be back to square one

Karachi airport resumed normal flight operations the next day once you get the ball rolling one or two terrorist attacks dont have any long term implications...the real question is the insurgency and as it has been said on previous posts in this thread the insurgency is on its knees

 

[That Guy]

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when gwadar and chbhar going operational ?

Don't know, I could google it, but I have a feeling it would get the wrong info.

 

[suresh1773]

Karachi airport resumed normal flight operations the next day once you get the ball rolling one or two terrorist attacks dont have any long term implications...the real question is the insurgency and as it has been said on previous posts in this thread the insurgency is on its knees

Recently I read about Europen Airlines refusing to carry cargo from Pakistan,BA has already stopped its flight operations to Pakistan.In short if the country is not safe,foreign investors will not invest.They avoid insurgency prone areas or voilence ridden.Tell me how much foreign Investment did Karachi attract last year.Well insurgency is on its knees in Balochistan,stop joking,every now & then there r attacks on FC,trains coming from Punjab to Qetta r routinely attacked

 

[SrNair]

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but seems by pic
gwadar has large trasnport bays already filled with many trucks..
its seems it been already done..
atleast in front end...
backend connectivity .. road , railways, finanancial support dont know..
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Chabhar
its looks atleast from pic wil take time
how about backend connectivity
is financial system devloped for it
who will be major compettoire for this port

First of all media has not that much freedom in Iran specially
strategic project like this.But that is not the case of Pakistan.
Chabhar was already there.India just upgrading it that all.
Zaranj Delaram high way is already completed under India assistance.From Afghan border to port is under joint partnership of India and Iran.
Chabhar will commission this year.

 

[Winchester]

Recently I read about Europen Airlines refusing to carry cargo from Pakistan,BA has already stopped its flight operations to Pakistan.In short if the country is not safe,foreign investors will not invest.They avoid insurgency prone areas or voilence ridden.Tell me how much foreign Investment did Karachi attract last year.Well insurgency is on its knees in Balochistan,stop joking,every now & then there r attacks on FC,trains coming from Punjab to Qetta r routinely attacked

European airlines stopped flight operations to Pakistan after 9/11 but it just meant airlines like Emirates,Qatar,Turkish Airways took there place...we are not depending on European or American investment in Gawadar China is investing there and its investing billions...as far as the insurgency is concerned it has died down as @DESERT FIGHTER has pointed out and he is from there i believe so i will take his word more than yours

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

European airlines stopped flight operations to Pakistan after 9/11 but it just meant airlines like Emirates,Qatar,Turkish Airways took there place...we are not depending on European or American investment in Gawadar China is investing there and its investing billions...as far as the insurgency is concerned it has died down as @DESERT FIGHTER has pointed out and he is from there i believe so i will take his word more than yours

These guys love to talk abt anything tht portrays Pakistan in a bad light... after a while you just stop giving a shit.

 

[suresh1773]

European airlines stopped flight operations to Pakistan after 9/11 but it just meant airlines like Emirates,Qatar,Turkish Airways took there place...we are not depending on European or American investment in Gawadar China is investing there and its investing billions...as far as the insurgency is concerned it has died down as @DESERT FIGHTER has pointed out and he is from there i believe so i will take his word more than yours

Desert fighter is from Balochistan,I know it
Is Desert fighting promoting the insurgency in Balochistan.Just a few days ago,I read some FC soldiers killed in Balochistan.U must be a confused Pakistani. What I have said is something reasonable,Foreign investors will invest in any country only if the situation is safe & sound.The same applies for Indian,Pakistan or any other country.