Chabahar port : Indo-iranian collaboration

[Abu Zolfiqar]

the funny thing is, as Iran continues to self-isolate and as the indians try to get comfy with Americans it will become difficult (if not impossible) for india to gain anything from this port --which isnt really even operating on a large scale

I think Gwadar will be there as a direct rival; and being that Pakistan is not currently under sanctions (though one never knows what can happen) and given its strategic importance -- i think it would always be a thorn in the sides of Chahbahar -though actually the Iranians havent been AS hostile to this competition as you would normally think they would have been. It's just business.

 

[harpoon]

the funny thing is, as Iran continues to self-isolate and as the indians try to get comfy with Americans it will become difficult (if not impossible) for india to gain anything from this port --which isnt really even operating on a large scale

I think Gwadar will be there as a direct rival; and being that Pakistan is not currently under sanctions (though one never knows what can happen) and given its strategic importance -- i think it would always be a thorn in the sides of Chahbahar -though actually the Iranians havent been AS hostile to this competition as you would normally think they would have been. It's just business.

If you want to compete internationally your competition is Dubai Port not Chahbahar.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

we have no chance to compete with Dubai Port anytime in the near future.....actually if Wikileaks is to be believed, they were adamently opposed to Gwadar Port since they felt threatened by it.

its an open secret

I think the idea of both Gwadar and C-bahar is to gain access to and fro landlocked C. Asia


competition is ALWAYS a good thing, in my view. On Gwadar, due to criminal incompetence and lack of proactiveness -- the Port is functional but not operating anywhere near full capacity; the road networks and railways are being built but far from complete (as far as i know, i could be wrong)

 

[harpoon]

we have no chance to compete with Dubai Port anytime in the near future.....actually if Wikileaks is to be believed, they were adamently opposed to Gwadar Port since they felt threatened by it.

its an open secret

I think the idea of both Gwadar and C-bahar is to gain access to and fro landlocked C. Asia


competition is ALWAYS a good thing, in my view. On Gwadar, due to criminal incompetence and lack of proactiveness -- the Port is functional but not operating anywhere near full capacity; the road networks and railways are being built but far from complete (as far as i know, i could be wrong)

So there is no competition b/n Gwadar & Chahbahar. Both are serving their own countries.
Anyways as mentioned these 2 ports can become the marshaling yards for goods meant for CA, but Gwadar is in a weak position as it is situated on a troubled province with limited road or rail connectivity.

 

[longbrained]

the funny thing is, as Iran continues to self-isolate and as the indians try to get comfy with Americans it will become difficult (if not impossible) for india to gain anything from this port --which isnt really even operating on a large scale

I think Gwadar will be there as a direct rival; and being that Pakistan is not currently under sanctions (though one never knows what can happen) and given its strategic importance -- i think it would always be a thorn in the sides of Chahbahar -though actually the Iranians havent been AS hostile to this competition as you would normally think they would have been. It's just business.

Actually Iranians have been helpful with Gwader port. They have been supplying electricity to it and even offered to link its electricity supply to their own national grid. It is only Indian jealousy here, nothing more.

 

[longbrained]

we have no chance to compete with Dubai Port anytime in the near future.....actually if Wikileaks is to be believed, they were adamently opposed to Gwadar Port since they felt threatened by it.

its an open secret

I think the idea of both Gwadar and C-bahar is to gain access to and fro landlocked C. Asia


competition is ALWAYS a good thing, in my view. On Gwadar, due to criminal incompetence and lack of proactiveness -- the Port is functional but not operating anywhere near full capacity; the road networks and railways are being built but far from complete (as far as i know, i could be wrong)

Dubai does not have anything special. Over half Dubai port's revenue are from re-exports from that port to Iran and Pakistan. Almost anything you touch in Pakistan that is imported have come trough Dubai. If Chabahar and Gwadar become successful which I doubt because of strong pro-Dubai lobby, the economy of Dubai will go down. The other half of Dubai's economy comes from tourism if that is the correct word. The more proper word perhaps would be brothel houses and luxury resorts.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

So there is no competition b/n Gwadar & Chahbahar. Both are serving their own countries.
Anyways as mentioned these 2 ports can become the marshaling yards for goods meant for CA, but Gwadar is in a weak position as it is situated on a troubled province with limited road or rail connectivity

You raise some valid points.

Main problem with Gwadar remains the road network. Each time it rains, Makran Coastal Highway shut for a week !

In order for Gwadar to fulfil its potential; in addition to a much better Makran Coastal Highway, we need a four lane A-class highway to Chaman. Onward road connection to Herat and Turkmenistan. Road connection from Qandhar to Kunduz and onwards to Tajikstan and Uzbekistan.

It is said to be in the works though more informed people can share their views on it.

Balochistan is not a problem. Any rebels attack are once in a blue moon and the insurgency is not popular amongst majority of Baloch people. It's a dying insurgency, a very low-level one (Baloch members here can confirm that).

Road network in Afghanistan is poor and insecure with the war plus NATO (for now) control the security. Any connection between Chabahar and Central Asia is going to need a railroad through Afghanistan..Turkmenistan would be the only option..But Gwadar would have a direct railroad connection to Central Asia if all goes as planned.

for now, we have to rely mainly on Karakoram highway which has been developed between Pakistan and China, in order to get unhindered access to C. Asia. If Afghanistan situation improves, and there is a friendly and cooperative government there (which hopefully there will be) then the tides can change to our favour.


but this thread is about Chahbahar so i wont delve too much into Gwadar.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Dubai does not have anything special. Over half Dubai port's revenue are from re-exports from that port to Iran and Pakistan. Almost anything you touch in Pakistan that is imported have come trough Dubai. If Chabahar and Gwadar become successful which I doubt because of strong pro-Dubai lobby, the economy of Dubai will go down. The other half of Dubai's economy comes from tourism if that is the correct word. The more proper word perhaps would be brothel houses and luxury resorts.

well, there you go my friend

they throw money at our politicians to keep Gwadar at minimum capacity; they throw money at politicians so they can get hunting permits in Bahawalpur.


thats why i say, you need true patriotic leaders ---well-versed and well polished ones who keep our nation and its prosperity and development at heart. Gwadar is a beacon of light for Pakistan; and can bring incredible tourism and business to Balochistan (which is already the most mineral rich province).

our first priority is Pakistan, so the "pro-Dubai" lobby should be exposed and sent packing. Our first priority is Pakistan. Nothing else should get in the way.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Dubai does not have anything special. Over half Dubai port's revenue are from re-exports from that port to Iran and Pakistan. Almost anything you touch in Pakistan that is imported have come trough Dubai. If Chabahar and Gwadar become successful which I doubt because of strong pro-Dubai lobby, the economy of Dubai will go down. The other half of Dubai's economy comes from tourism if that is the correct word. The more proper word perhaps would be brothel houses and luxury resorts.

The emirates will not allow anything in Dubai to collapse..they have money and oil which pakistan does not have hence less leverage and hence cannot compete with dubai.

 

[aks18]

The emirates will not allow anything in Dubai to collapse..they have money and oil which pakistan does not have hence less leverage and hence cannot compete with dubai.

pakistan have more resources dear we have the work force we have everything we lack only in good leadership

 

[Pride]

the funny thing is, as Iran continues to self-isolate and as the indians try to get comfy with Americans it will become difficult (if not impossible) for india to gain anything from this port --which isnt really even operating on a large scale

I think Gwadar will be there as a direct rival; and being that Pakistan is not currently under sanctions (though one never knows what can happen) and given its strategic importance -- i think it would always be a thorn in the sides of Chahbahar -though actually the Iranians havent been AS hostile to this competition as you would normally think they would have been. It's just business.

Pakistan always had problem to understand India's relation with foreign nations. We dont have any "all-weather-ally" and similarly "all-time-enemy" as well. While we continue to take arms from Russia, we contiued building good relations with USA. While China and we have border issues, we still continuing a good 60B$ business with them. While we condemn Israel on political front for suppression of Palestine, we have good amount of defense pact with them. People want to justify it as Hypocrisy or whatever but this is called Diplomacy and Business.

Iran is not different, while we have few objections on few of their development, We still continuing our business as usual. Chabahr is one of them.

 

[harpoon]

^^ To be an ally of Pakistan means they will give their land for bases and to be an enemy of Pakistan means that they will even give their bases for 3rd party nations to attack us. They only know the extremes or being too naive to understand the workings of modern diplomacy.

 

[longbrained]

While you're trying to pitifully convince yourself of being anywhere close, Can you be kind enough to tell me when did we sanction Iran? What did we do to sanction Iran? Since when did we become the Thekedaar of Sanctioning Authority (read USA)? Neither it is reported here by even the biggest media channels nor the smallest papers and journals.

Honestly, where do you get this information?

Which planet you live on? India has been implementing sanctions on Iran quietly. Sanctioning Iran's banking sector on the order of American masters is one example. We all know India is not a reliable friends. They just follow money and profits. Another example would be the gas pipeline project which India pulled out from again on the order of American masters. Even yesterday they confiscated an Iranian ship in INTERNATIONAL waters on phony charges again on the order of their American masters. Do you need more examples?

 

[Pride]

Which planet you live on? India has been implementing sanctions on Iran quietly. Sanctioning Iran's banking sector on the order of American masters is one example.

Give me some credible link for the same else it is just news like "RAW is meddling in Balochistan".

We all know India is not a reliable friends.

World does not need Pakistan's opinion related to India.

They just follow money and profits.

Yes, we do. This is called business and we are getting succesful by this everyday. Jealousy??

Another example would be the gas pipeline project which India pulled out from again on the order of American masters.

Lol.. You must be kidding. IGI pipeline is a failure because Pak did not give assurance for security of pipeline crossing from balochistan. You give us security it will be done in few days.

Anyway, Pak always love to find a masters like US earlier and China now. We are too big to be mastered by someone.

Even yesterday they confiscated an Iranian ship in INTERNATIONAL waters on phony charges again on the order of their American masters. Do you need more examples?

Links and yes we want more examples.