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Chabahar India’s answer to Gwadar

- Real importance of Gwadar lies in its potential trade route to Gulf states which won't prefer Iran.
- Iran won't allow India to instigate China.
- India can't juggle between USA/ Nato and Iran for the time being.

Chabahar can really dent the Pakistani ambition of making Gwadar an important port for CAR. Afghanistan will also ask for huge bargain to allow Gwadar's connectivity with CAR.
 
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Does India know India is also next to Gwadar port just like Iran?

Sometimes I feel indians forget India is next to Pakistan. You building the new port is useless cause you can have one, of the same distance and with your own transportation system to the Gwadar port.

This is like your next door neighbor bothers you and you two are fighting. You want to be closer, instead of just using your own house which is already next to him, you had to buy the house from the other side too just to be the same distance from him.

First, Chabahar is just 76 km from Gawdar. It enables Afghanistan to reduce its dependence on Pakistan’s Karachi port which will be a big boost to Afg-India trade. Don't forget that Afghanistan is India's close ally.
 
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Does India know India is also next to Gwadar port just like Iran?

Sometimes I feel indians forget India is next to Pakistan. You building the new port is useless cause you can have one, of the same distance and with your own transportation system to the Gwadar port.

This is like your next door neighbor bothers you and you two are fighting. You want to be closer, instead of just using your own house which is already next to him, you had to buy the house from the other side too just to be the same distance from him.

You are few of the intelligent ones...But unfortunately...your friend Pakistan does not give access to India to access Central Asia. If i would be expecting that Pakistan should have allowed access to Central Asia and earn huge money simply providing access to India...But i know that they will not do it.
 
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Jamati IQ at it's best :rolleyes:

OT one thing that may work in Chabahar's favor is the absence of terrorism and relative stability in Iran.

These buggers blame their benefactors for life's problems. Tried it with US and now China.

See this

20 jailed for terrorism, separatism in Xinjiang
(Xinhua)
08:10, March 28, 2013
URUMQI, March 27 (Xinhua) -- Two courts in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region have sentenced 20 people for taking part in terrorist activities and plotting to divide the country.

Nineteen of the suspects were given prison sentences ranging from 5 years to life in prison after a trial in the Kashagar Prefecture Intermediate People's Court on Tuesday.

They were convicted of using cell phones and electronic storage mediums to organize, lead and take part in terrorist activities. They were also convicted of illegally crossing borders and affray, according to the court ruling.

Kerem Mohammad, the 20th suspect, was sentenced to 10 years in jail on the same day by the Bayingolin Mongolian Autonomous Prefecture Intermediate People's Court for inciting separatism.

He was charged with using online chat rooms to spread information related to separatism and terrorism.
 
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A common strategy in geopolitical rivalries is to accrue alliances, strengthen positions and counter competitors. Of course, Asia is rich with historic rivalries: India and China, Pakistan and India, Iran and Pakistan, Iran and the US, the US and China. Two ports in the Arabian Sea, one in Iran and another Pakistan, demonstrate an emerging contest for power in the Arabian Sea, explains Christophe Jaffrelot, senior research fellow with the Centre for International Studies and Research, Sciences Po/CNRS. China helps Pakistan with its port at Gwadar while India assists Iran with the port at Chabahar. The development entails rail lines, highways and other massive construction projects and signals that the emerging Asian giants seek connections while resisting encirclement by rivals. Some of the new alliances make for strange bedfellows and, depending on political or military events, may not last for long. – YaleGlobal
A Tale of Two Ports
Gwadar and Chabahar display Chinese-Indian rivalry in the Arabian Sea
Christophe Jaffrelot
YaleGlobal, 7 January 2011
The Great Game redux: China and India maneuver over Arabian Sea ports, Gwadar (top) and Chabahar (below)

PARIS: Sino-Indian rivalry in the Indian Ocean and India’s naval cooperation with the US draw the world’s attention. But quietly, out of sight, a contest has been building in the Arabian Sea centered between two ports, one based in Pakistan and the other in Iran. The first is backed by China, the second by India. The first, located in Gwadar, is intended to give China access to the Indian Ocean; the second, Chabahar, is supposed to connect India to Afghanistan and counter the first. The two ports represent longstanding rivalries in the region and anticipation for intense geo-strategic competition.

Gwadar, with its proximity to the vital sea lane between the Middle East and China, has strategic importance for China, especially for oil trade. If China wants to emancipate itself from transportation or military problems along Asia’s southern coastline, direct access to the Indian Ocean may be the solution.

Direct access to the India Ocean would give China a strategic post of observation and a key location for its navy. While Myanmar and Sri Lanka can offer substantial support, the country that can best help Beijing is Pakistan because of its location and long-time friendship.

India, feeling encircled, reacted to this development. In his recent book on the Indian Ocean, journalist Robert Kaplan writes that “the Indians’ answer to Sino-Pakistani cooperation at Gwadar was a giant new $8 billion naval base at Karwar, south of Goa on India’s Arabian coast, the first phase of which opened in 2005.”
Map of Gwadar, Chabahar & Karwar. Enlarge Image

Karwar was only one part of the response to Gwadar. The other one is Chabahar. In 2002 India helped Iran to develop the port of Chabahar, located 72 kilometers west of Gwadar, soon after China began work at Gwadar.

Chabahar should provide India with access to Afghanistan via the Indian Ocean. India, Iran and Afghanistan have signed an agreement to give Indian goods, heading for Central Asia and Afghanistan, preferential treatment and tariff reductions at Chabahar.

Gwadar is located on the Gulf of Oman, close to the entrance of the Persian Gulf. Until 1958 it belonged to Oman, which gave this land to Pakistani rulers who expected that the location would contribute to what Kaplan calls “a new destiny.”

When President Richard Nixon visited Pakistan in 1973, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto sought US help to construct a new port at Gwadar, and reportedly offered the US Navy use of the facility. He was unsuccessful, and Pakistan then turned to China for help. Work started in 2002, and China has invested $200 million, dispatching 450 personnel for the first phase of the job completed in 2006 and resulting in a deep-sea port.

Direct access to the India Ocean, with Gwadar, would give China a strategic post of observation and a
key location for its navy.

The Port of Singapore Authority was selected to manage Gwadar in 2007. But it did not invest much money, and Pakistan decided to transfer port management to another institution, not yet selected but which will probably be Chinese. On 6 November 2010 the Supreme Court of Pakistan asked the Gwadar Port Authority to seek cancellation of the concession agreement with the Port of Singapore Authority.

At the same time, Pakistan and China contemplate developing the Karakorum Highway to connect China’s Xinjiang and Gilgit-Baltistan region of Pakistan. In 2006, a memorandum of understanding was signed between both countries to upgrade this road and connect Kashgar and Abbottabad. But the Karakorum Highway, the highest point of which passes at 4,693 meters, can open between May and December. It’s also vulnerable to landslides, so large trucks may not use it easily.

Pakistan and China also discussed building a 3,000-kilometer rail line between Kashgar and Gwadar, during President Asif Ali Zardari’s July 2010 visit with President Hu Jintao in Beijing. The cost would be enormous, up to $30 million per kilometer in the highest mountains.

In addition, Baluchistan is one of Pakistan’s most unstable provinces today because of the development of a nationalist movement with separatist overtones. Insurgents have already kidnapped and killed Chinese engineers in Gwadar.

Soon after China began work at Gwadar, India helped Iran to develop the port of Chabahar, located 72 kilometers west of Gwadar.

But China persists. More than a gateway to the Indian Ocean, Gwadar, at least, will provide Beijing with, first, a listening post from where the Chinese may exert surveillance on hyper-strategic sea links as well as military activities of the Indian and American navies in the region, and second, dual-use civilian-military facilities providing a base for Chinese ships and submarines.

For the Indians, this is a direct threat. The Delhi-based Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis recently published a report on Pakistan: the “Gwadar port being so close to the Straits of Hormuz also has implications for India as it would enable Pakistan to exercise control over energy routes. It is believed that Gwadar will provide Beijing with a facility to monitor US and Indian naval activity in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea, respectively, as well as any future maritime cooperation between India and the US.”

India responded by helping Iran with the port of Chabahar. Work on the Chabahar-Milak-Zaranj-Dilaram route from Iran to Afghanistan is in progress. India has already built the 213-kilometer Zaranj-Dilaram road in Afghanistan’s Nimroz province and helps Iran to upgrade the Chabahar-Milak railroad. Developing railroads and port infrastructure near the border of Afghanistan could strengthen Iranian influence in Afghanistan, especially among the Shia and non-Pashtun ethnic groups.

In developing Chabahar, India must factor in US attempts
at isolating Iran because of Tehran’s nuclear policy.

However, this Indo-Iranian project is bound to suffer from two problems:

First, politically, Afghanistan is unstable and may not oblige Iran and India if the Taliban or any Pakistan-supported government is restored. Chabahar is also part of one of Iran’s most volatile regions where anti-regime Sunni insurgents have launched repeated attacks.

Secondly, the work is far behind schedule. In July 2010, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Mohd Ali Fathollahi said the port was functional, but has a capacity of only 2.5 million tons per year, whereas the target was 12 million tons. Speeding work on the port was urged during the 16th Indo-Iranian Joint Commission meeting, attended by Iranian Finance Minister Seyed Shamseddin Hosseini and India’s External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna, who pointed out that “Iran’s assistance in developing the Chabahar port has been slow ‘til now.”

The connection between Gwadar and China remains distant, but could be the Suez Canal of the 21st century. At the minimum, this deep-sea port should provide Beijing with a strategic base soon.

The Chinese move prompted India to react – hence the development of Chabahar. But in developing this port, New Delhi must factor in US attempts at isolating Iran because of Tehran’s nuclear policy. How far the Indo-Iranian rapprochement is compatible with the growing Indo-American alliance remains to be seen.

The US and India may agree on the need to counter growing Chinese influence in Gwadar, but may also disagree on the policy India wants to pursue by joining hands with Iran.

Iran itself may not want to take any risk at alienating China, a country which has supported Tehran, including its nuclear policy, until recently.


Christophe Jaffrelot is a senior research fellow with the Centre for International Studies and Research, Sciences Po/CNRS.




A Tale Of Two Ports
 
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This reporter must be a joker. Iran looking for $100 mlln from India? C'mon. Iran can give ten times that to India which is a weak economy. Also it seems this reporter never heard of Nadir Shah.

Don't try to prove youself joker by posting stupid things here.

This port is important for us that's why India interested in chabahar port.
 
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All hail the natural born attention seeker wit his usual offtopic posts saying check out my copy, pasted, black bold letters with pictures. Exactly how does that qualifies you to be elite status.???
 
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Hardly any reality in it.

Chabhar is yielding nothing in terms of strategic benefits for Indian navy and access into Afghanistan from where India be able to project itself into Afghanistan.

Just a just in case, may be, can be, can try port at the mercy of flip flopping Iranians with no guarantees given.

Yes, can serve us a nearest port for Iranian oil supply.
 
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Chabahar port is just eye candy for India, to show Pakistan they have a rival

In reality the Chabahar port cannot handle as many ships as Gwadar can and is basically useless to Iran & India as ships always take their last stop at Gwadar, or Dubai
 
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Chabahar port is just eye candy for India, to show Pakistan they have a rival

In reality the Chabahar port cannot handle as many ships as Gwadar can and is basically useless to Iran & India as ships always take their last stop at Gwadar, or Dubai

Gwadar port is just eye candy for Pakistan, to show India they have a rival

In reality the Gwadar port cannot handle as many ships as Chabahar can and is basically useless to Pakistan as ships always take their last stop at Chabahar or Dubai
 
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What happens if Pak denies movement to Afg to USA?

Will Iran help India to keep its forces in Afg though Iran?

After USA exit, what will India do to gave control in Afg?

Wil USA Afg exit in 2014?

Is Iran a time tested friend if Pak crates trouble in Afg and India needs military in agf though Iran?

What happnes if election fails, fanatics take control of Pak and again install Sharia in afg? Will this port of Idnia be of use?

India the 2nd most Pro-Zionist state vs iran the no.1 enemy of the zionist?

something looks fishy?

India would need iran's help if Pak returns to Taliban and Shari but will Iran help to save Indians in Afg?

What are iran's view on a sharia taliban based Agf?

Don't try to prove youself joker by posting stupid things here.

This port is important for us that's why India interested in chabahar port.
 
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