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Chabahar, Gwadar to be sister ports, says PM

NS is a great diplomat. Courting Iran out of the Indian influence. Watch my words, Chahabar port will become a part of the extended CPEC and the Indian influence in Iran will be neutralized by massive trade Iran could do through China and CPEC. The writing is on the wall. This is why Pakistan didn't want to join the KSA in fighting Iran directly. Excellent diplomacy.

India, sooner or later, will have no leverage and will be forced (internally through her business community) to join the CPEC. Modi has started to realize this. "A positive change should be adapted as it comes, and with an open mind,or it will be forced upon you for adaption" (Jack Welch, Previous Chairman and the CEO of General Electric)

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I won't join you to do shiit. This CPEC situation will. Just because I wrote the post in a truthful context, doesn't mean I am now an Iranian, Pakistani or a Chinese. You should read carefully before putting the author in the mix.

And your Indian businessmen want to connect through the CPEC. Who forced Modi to go to Pakistan? The same businessmen, will use their influence on the Indian government and will push hard to join the CPEC. Otherwise, Chinese products and services will be flowing through so many countries like flying Birds. And India wants to turn these Asian countries into African countries (from an Indian labor and trade's point of view). I think its a great development, the days of wars should be a history now. The days of economic competition and where more growth is for all countries, will be the main focus of the globe.

Kindly first ask ur Pakistani politicians to resolve the "route" that corridor will take. I mean, the investment and project hasnt even taken off, and you guys are having wet dreams.

If Pakistan behaves better, we will let Pakistan a part of Delhi Mumbai Industrial Corridor. So Cool with ur offer.
 
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NS is a great diplomat. Courting Iran out of the Indian influence. Watch my words, Chahabar port will become a part of the extended CPEC and the Indian influence in Iran will be neutralized by massive trade Iran could do through China and CPEC. The writing is on the wall. This is why Pakistan didn't want to join the KSA in fighting Iran directly. Excellent diplomacy.

India, sooner or later, will have no leverage and will be forced (internally through her business community) to join the CPEC. Modi has started to realize this. "A positive change should be adapted as it comes, and with an open mind,or it will be forced upon you for adaption" (Jack Welch, Previous Chairman and the CEO of General Electric)


@Viper0011.

The issue here is of iran---iranians cannot be trusted at all---. And this is my personal eperience as well. Iranians are for nobody but themselves.

Secondly----everywhere the iranians get involved----there is a blood bath---look at palestine before the iranian proxy infiltration amongst their ranks---it was prospering and there was hope---now look at all the death and destruction---look at syria---iraq--lebanon----yemen.

Pakistan must stick with the OLD RELIABLE partner---sudia and emirates----and must not think with a GREEDY mind----.

All think glitter of gold and smell of dollars that is being waved in front of pakistan by iran is an illusion.

It is going to isolate pakistan from its trusted allies that stood by it thru thick and thin---once pakistan gets isolated----it will get divided or easier to control and manipulate.

I do not trust the promises of iran---I do not believe in the promises of iran---but the problem with the pakistanis is that they will sell their souls to iran for greed.

Its amazing how LITTLE you guys really know about the real life. A diplomatic, statesman's vision at works.....and the credit goes to China? Who brought the Chinese in the first place :cheers::rofl:. It was NS's government. And where were the SAME Chinese when Mushy and Zia and Kiyani were COAS's???? They didn't want to drop a DIME in Pakistan then. Let alone $ 40+ billions worth of investment. No civil and rich country would want to invest into ANY country with military rules, dictatorships or even political turmoil.

Where were the Russian investments, the Indian PM's show of friendship through the visit, the Sri Lankan relationship, the improved Pakistan -US relationships in military's time? How come Russia didn't invest a dollar into Mushy's time in Pakistan?

For those of you, who live in a fool's paradise, the military has nothing to do with these civilian deals. The "diplomacy" you referred to, is created BY the Civilian government. Not an angel from up above, or a few star general from the GHQ!! Also, the military doesn't want to be involved with politics. This has been reaffirmed by Gen. RS. So PLEASE, let a respectable institute do what they do the best. The ONLY military involvement is during the time of tension with India. Otherwise, the military wants peace with India. The time to be a macho-man military is over. Allow a country's elected leadership to do the things the people will hold them responsible for (for once in Pakistan's lifetime). There are CLEAR examples of progress, even on the diplomatic front I've outlined above!

Its pretty clear there are many in Pakistan, who put their own personal preferences and agendas above the entire country's national interests. Just like the post above!! Sad to see this crap being written without common sense or logic.



Not going to happen. Pakistani Army has locked down Baluchistan and have clearly identified ALL terrorist leaders and they are being monitored.

On the contrary, Iran is being countered with billions of electric and gas selling deals to Pakistan. Plus hundreds of billions of trade benefits through China, going ALL the way to Europe by road. The Iranians are smart people, they can have "some" billions worth of Indian trade, or hundreds of billions worth of benefits with China......you take a guess where they'll go :enjoy:.

The times have changed. Now, the new "best friend country" is the one that gives you the most trade benefits. Welcome to 2016 :tup:!!

Hi,

Gwadar port was done by the chinese in Mushy's time---. Mushy wanted to give the handling of the port to china but the UI SD threatened Mush with severe actions and it got handed to singapore---which did nothing.


Nawaz didm;t do nothing for gwadar---it is just because of the south china seas crisis that china came back to pakistan---otherwise china was also pi-ssed off at pakistan for a few years---.

Thanks to indian threats and vietnamese threats and japanese threats and U S threats in south china seas that china finally decided to invest in CPEC.
 
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Chahabhar port will be used against Pakistan's Province of Baluchistan to promote the independence moment , funding of terrorist like BLA and BRA ..


No it wont. As far as I know, other countries can invest in that port - China, Pak, whatever. Baloch terrorist dont like Iran either.
 
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Apparently, our PM was way to in rush to straightened the relations with you guys

That's incorrect. The military is more anxious to establish peace with India. They are watching India's growth and however much a common Pakistani believes in the "supermen Army", its not really the case. The military can't withstand an India related attack for more than a few days. Specially, with being so involved and chunked up in so many fronts.

If you don't know the truth, don't write propaganda as I'll write the truth and someone will look bad!!

Nawaz Sharif did not organised all of this, it started and planed back in 2008 that the Gawadar port will be handed over to China, and it was officially handed over in Feb 2013. As far as Chinese President visit to Pakistan is concerned in NS time, and that he announced 46 Billion dollar investement, it was planed back in 2009 that China will invest a huge amount of money in Pakistan.
Gawader port handing over to China for better operations has NOTHING to do with NS giving the Chinese businessmen total guaranty of 30% return to invest into the CPEC. In fact, what you clearly don't know, if out of the $ 46 billion, $ 46 billion is being invested into the POWER PRODUCTION projects!! CPEC (the ROUTE) is ONLY $ 10 billion of it.

And its also pretty clear from your silly post that you have no clue what you are talking about. There is $ 30 more billions worth of investment that will come around 2019-2020 for CPEC phase II, when the Chinese will shift certain manufacturing into Pakistan. AND you'll tell us that the military cut this deal in 2008 :yahoo: :rofl: :no: :nono:.

Ever read into the REFORMS the NS government has done for investments that are clearly called out in places like Bloomberg and many other US and Western sources? If you can't research, but will continue to lie and misrepresent such critical program on here, then shame on you. I can argue and debate with logic. Not with stupidity. Stupidity has its own cycle and ends in a lot of embarrassment if you care for it (which I don't think you do, the word "integrity" doesn't exist in people like you's heads, and the likes of IK's heads) :enjoy:!

Learn to appreciate who is re-building a new Pakistan and how Pakistan's brand has been established across so many countries. That's the LEAST you can do. All this propaganda, negative crap only makes you and then Pakistan look bad. The people who are doing the work, have already put their names in the history, NOTHING you can do to change that!!
 
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Ball is In Iranian court is they allow to use their port to India against Pakistani interests then Pakistani support to Saudi Govt will be big game changer and in this current situation while Iran have limited Muslim friends can't afford to loose a influential support from Pakistan + Turkey, huge military powers compared to Iran.
 
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And your Indian businessmen want to connect through the CPEC. Who forced Modi to go to Pakistan? The same businessmen, will use their influence on the Indian government and will push hard to join the CPEC. Otherwise, Chinese products and services will be flowing through so many countries like flying Birds. And India wants to turn these Asian countries into African countries (from an Indian labor and trade's point of view). I think its a great development, the days of wars should be a history now. The days of economic competition and where more growth is for all countries, will be the main focus of the globe.

You're assuming too much while giving your opinions ---------

---What is CPEC ? why would india join ? What advantage does it bring to india ?
---Chinese products and services will be flowing through so many countries.........if it is so then why would china allow india to join CPEC when india will be a competitor of it ?
---Also in your assumption you're taking that india will not grow or increase area of expertise while the other will be making some incredible hellish progress..................let me remind you india gdp was 7.5 and recently released by WB states 7.9 for this financial year is expected
 
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@Viper0011.

Pakistan must stick with the OLD RELIABLE partner---sudia and emirates----and must not think with a GREEDY mind----.

All think glitter of gold and smell of dollars that is being waved in front of pakistan by iran is an illusion.

It's not a matter of Iran being trust worthy or not. I don't personally think they are trust worthy to begin with. But, at the same time, a growing Pakistan will be sent to burning hell by the Iranians like Syria and other places, if it got involved into KSA's fight with Shiite's.

Iran has recently sent a message to your PM saying "live and let live". You don't go to war with us, we won't interfere with Pakistan's internal Shiite and Sunni mess. Its not about a few billions, it about Pakistan's safety and to avoid a civil war inside Pakistan. Otherwise, you may be seeing some version of an Arab Spring starting inside of Pakistan through Iran's influence!!

Gawadar port was done by the chinese in Mushy's time---. Mushy wanted to give the handling of the port to china but the UI SD threatened Mush with severe actions and it got handed to singapore---which did nothing.

Nawaz didm;t do nothing for gwadar-

Thanks to indian threats and vietnamese threats and japanese threats and U S threats in south china seas that china finally decided to invest in CPEC.

You guys either listen to too much Military radio or have no clue about the realities of life and programs in Pakistan!! Gawader PORT was a different issue ALL together. Mushy gave it to the Chinese as the port wasn't even operational. The Chinese were going to build it out all the way (no airport or CPEC though as it didn't exist). And the port would be OPERATED by the Chinese, in luau of their "building plans" as they'd put money into it and will also have Naval presence.

The US objected VERY strongly to the Naval stationing of the Chinese so Mushy scrapped it (just like he did that U turn on 1 phone call :rofl: :angel:). So how, the port was going to be operated by the Chinese cheaply. No Naval presence was allowed. And China had NO interest till 2013 to do anything there. As there wasn't any civilian government and Mushy and Zardari would be seen in the same light, albeit one being a Dictator and the other one being a Corrupt bast*ard.

Then came NS, and went to China and offered "reform" based economic policies, which were well received. Plus General Raheel was very concerned with Pakistan Army's ability to fight with growing India (while the Army was busy in different places). So both the Shariff's had an agreement to support the political Shariff in growing Pakistan's economy.

Which then resulted in $ 36 billion of power production projects and $ 10 billion allocated by the Chinese for the CPEC route (initial investment). This program will last till 2013 and has about 3-4 long phases to it.
The entire strategy and plan (and associated work to go connect with Sri Lanka, Iran, Russia, Eastern Europe, etc) was NS's team's vision. The Chinese were initially just limited to connect Gawader to their province when NS got their first agreement from the Chinese.

Hope this helps, this CPEC thing is SO massive that unless you have been involved, you can't understand it. And that's what the people and the politicians are doing in Pakistan about CPEC. Confusion and propaganda without real understanding!!

You're assuming too much while giving your opinions ---------

---What is CPEC ? why would india join ? What advantage does it bring to india ?
---Chinese products and services will be flowing through so many countries.........if it is so then why would china allow india to join CPEC when india will be a competitor of it ?
---Also in your assumption you're taking that india will not grow or increase area of expertise while the other will be making some incredible hellish progress..................let me remind you india gdp was 7.5 and recently released by WB states 7.9 for this financial year is expected

I am not making assumptions, you are distorting a valid argument. How about before I answer anything, you tell me "What is the CPEC program"? Even in Pakistan, 90% of the people don't get it. Their politicians who have been briefed, STILL don't get it. As the country has never seen anything program like this in her entire history. So please, entertain me, what is the CPEC program? Its goals, objectives and time-frames? Let's first find out if you know anything about the topic you are jumping into. I don't have time for three liners and fan boys. Thanks
 
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. They are watching India's growth and however much a common Pakistani believes in the "supermen Army", its not really the case. The military can't withstand an India related attack for more than a few days. Specially, with being so involved and chunked up in so many fronts.

If you don't know the truth, don't write propaganda as I'll write the truth and someone will look bad!!

Hi,

The problem with the military is that it got bogged down into the myth of tactical nucs---thus burying its head in the sand and stopped preparing for a conventional war.

Case in point---pakistan air force----crying murder over the sanction for 10 + years and when the sanctions came off---totally clueless as what to get.

Navy---signs a 5 billion dollar contract for 8 boats---the first de;ivery in 2 years the last delivery in around 10-12 years----2. 5 billion dollars stuck---could have been used for surface fleet.

Suddenly pak military realizes that the nuc drama is a thing of the past---. This lollygagging that they had been doing about this war on terror for the last 14 years has devastated the economy.

Pakistan military general staff is so fcking stupid---it is not even funny---and I have written that to the ISPR many a times----.

They want to promise saudia protection if the mainland cities were attacked----dummy if you don't have troops now---from where are you going to get troops then---and what if india raises the conflict bar what then.

Now you have every opportunity to make the deal---get the troops ready----buy the equipment and take charge of the situation----.

But it all come down to Indira Gandhi's famous saying----" pakistani generals are gutless---they won't do anything "---they don't have the ballz----.


Viper---every time there is a crisis----I think about Indira Gandhi's statement---and it is true every single time---except for Mushy---Kargil----.

Pakistan military needs to expansiontist goals----for pakistan to succeed be strong and financially well off-----.

War in yermen was the EAST INDIA COMPANY moment for pakistan military---sauid arabia emirate qatar GCC were putting their countries on a platter and asking pakistan military to take it---brother for God's sake take it----the rfusal of pakistani generals showed that they were IMPOTENT----Khassi---that is what I wrote on ispr comments---Pakistan and its Khassi generals---.

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@Viper0011.


Mushy folded on 1 call---God bless him---the U S military really did want to beat the living daylights out of pak military to set the world straight----the number 1 bad boy of the world----it was not Saddam's iraq but pakistan----.

Khawarzam Shah did not fold on one " phone call "----there are a 1000 history books written on his failure to acknowledge.

There is no such thing that iran says--" live and let live "----if the level of threat and proxy war increase in pakistan from iran---it is the end of iran as it exists. It won't be israel that would be ending---but rather pakistan----.
 
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I am not making assumptions, you are distorting a valid argument. How about before I answer anything, you tell me "What is the CPEC program"? Even in Pakistan, 90% of the people don't get it. Their politicians who have been briefed, STILL don't get it. As the country has never seen anything program like this in her entire history. So please, entertain me, what is the CPEC program? Its goals, objectives and time-frames? Let's first find out if you know anything about the topic you are jumping into. I don't have time for three liners and fan boys. Thanks
I have not distorted any fact look the post again.............i have asked fews questions-----------which you clearly avoided

So please give your opinions in these ques
---What is CPEC ? why would india join ? What advantage does it bring to india ?
---Chinese products and services will be flowing through so many countries.........if it is so then why would china allow india to join CPEC when india will be a competitor of it ?
---Also in your assumption you're taking that india will not grow or increase area of expertise while the other will be making some incredible hellish progress..................let me remind you india gdp was 7.5 and recently released by WB states 7.9 for this financial year is expected

Source: Chabahar, Gwadar to be sister ports, says PM | Page 2
 
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If Pakistan behaves better, we will let Pakistan a part of Delhi Mumbai Industrial Corridor. So Cool with ur offer.
Actually in the long run what will turn out to be even bigger than the Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor will be the Eastern Corridor.

The DMIC is just a $100 billion project of around 1800kms in length, the Eastern Corridor will span much more in terms of investment and length.

Delhi till Kolkata is being financed by World Bank. But Kolkata onwards its sort of falling in place on its own.
Kolkata to Thailand via Bangladesh, Myanmar.
A massive highway is being built and power plants, rails, the works are being built with shared infrastructure between the nations.

It would be a massive economic corridor - with manufacturing between Delhi-Kolkata region and around Dhaka region...and raw material supply with highway and port connectivity from Myanmar, Thailand
 
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Saudis are certainly not going to sit quiet watching Iran grow stronger using CPEC. Pakistan certainly will be used as a recruitment base for anti-shia terrorists against Iran.
Pak is taking a strong check on that and will not be allowed to be done .
 
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Chabahar, Gwadar to be sister ports, says PM

October 30, 2015

ISLAMABAD: Secretary Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) of Iran Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani on Thursday called on Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif at the PM House.

Matters of mutual interest were discussed during the meeting. Both sides expressed grief and sorrow over the tragic incident of Mina in which citizens of both the countries had passed away.

The premier said that Pakistan and Iran were brotherly countries and shared deep historic and cultural ties. He added that Chabahar and Gwadar ports would be joint sister ports and their operational activity shall complement each other.

He further said that Pakistan had rendered invaluable sacrifices in the war against terrorism and the Operation Zarb-e-Azb was yielding very positive and fruitful results.

Iranian National Security Secretary Ali said that terrorism had no boundaries and it was a common enemy of both the countries, and a stable Afghanistan was in the best interest of both Iran and Pakistan.

He further said that there was a lot of scope in enhancing economic and communication areas between the two countries. He said that Pakistan and Iran would establish fibre optic link between them.

- See more at: Chabahar, Gwadar to be sister ports, says PM | Top Story | thenews.com.pk
Again it would be nice if the visitor acknowledges Pakistan's sacrifices instead of the host crowing about them.
 
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Actually in the long run what will turn out to be even bigger than the Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor will be the Eastern Corridor.

The DMIC is just a $100 billion project of around 1800kms in length, the Eastern Corridor will span much more in terms of investment and length.

Delhi till Kolkata is being financed by World Bank. But Kolkata onwards its sort of falling in place on its own.
Kolkata to Thailand via Bangladesh, Myanmar.
A massive highway is being built and power plants, rails, the works are being built with shared infrastructure between the nations.

It would be a massive economic corridor - with manufacturing between Delhi-Kolkata region and around Dhaka region...and raw material supply with highway and port connectivity from Myanmar, Thailand

We are counting too much. Breaucratic hurdles are the trademarks of subcontinent regions. I do not wish ill for Pakistan. But it takes years to develop. And the success of that corridor depends upon foreign companies investing in it.

Pakistanis jumping CPEC will the solution of all problems are kidding. It will take more than a decade to materialize
 
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We are counting too much. Breaucratic hurdles are the trademarks of subcontinent regions. I do not wish ill for Pakistan. But it takes years to develop. And the success of that corridor depends upon foreign companies investing in it.

Pakistanis jumping CPEC will the solution of all problems are kidding. It will take more than a decade to materialize
Well yeah. So far Pakistanis are counting on it being a toll booth to unload goods at dock and send them to western china and that this would change the fortunes of Pakistan.

That won't yield them much let alone changing fortunes apart from domestic economic growth on account of improved infrastructure(though that in itself is a good goal to have) because
1. Western China is too sparsely populated to make any sizeable volumes
2. neither rich enough to bring in high priced goods.

What would make this corridor all that Pakistanis want it to be is to have thousands of companies set up manufacturing plants here and then export their products from Gwadar to the world.

They would need Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Taiwanese companies for this to happen because they are the biggest manufacturing companies.

And Chinese companies are going to need to be first movers and set up the eco system, because Japanese, Korean or Taiwanese companies are surely not going to come to Pakistan first for export manufacturing - they are all heading to India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Thailand or Indonesia.

This however does not seem likely because Chinese companies would need to shift base and set up in this area for this to happen. So far, it does not appear that Chinese companies are planning on doing that.
 
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Nawaz sharif is on indian payroll all of his actions suggesting he is always support those projects where india has interest from chabhar to afghanistan tajikstan his work 24/7 to serve indian masters not pak
 
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Nawaz sharif is on indian payroll all of his actions suggesting he is always support those projects where india has interest from chabhar to afghanistan tajikstan his work 24/7 to serve indian masters not pak


Army is running Foreign policy, dont worry about anything. India key saath LOL ho raha hai everywhere.
 
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