Centre scraps $20 billion MMRCA deal for 126 Rafale jets for IAF, LCA Tejas to replace MiG-21

[The_Sidewinder]

LCA will replace Mig21s & Rafale mig 27s & Jaguars in distant future I guess.

 

[halupridol]

if we r buying witout TOT offsets,,,,why rafale??
why not f18SH,,,in govt. to govt. deal with US,,,,let mmrca drag on,Dassault wud have felt some pressure,,but this wth

 

[kaykay]

@kaykay - your statement is being contradicted here.

the Centre has scrapped the $20 billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal for purchase of 126 Rafale fighter jets signed by the previous United Progressive Alliance government. Speaking to CNN-IBN, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar claimed that Rafale fighters cannot replace the ageing MiG-21 which will be phased out in the next 6-10 years.

Dude did you watch his interview today? BTW your post doesn't say anything at all on what he said on govt to govt deal.

Future Rafale deals will also be under govt to govt: Parrikar | Business Line

 

[Dnt deliver us from evil]

Calm down guys,

DM has stated that "All further purchases of Rafael would be by Govt to Govt mode".

This means:

1. There would be further purchases.

2. GoI would negotiate with GoF, not Dassault for purchases.

if we r buying witout TOT offsets,,,,why rafale??
why not f18SH,,,in govt. to govt. deal with US,,,,let mmrca drag on,Dassault wud have felt some pressure,,but this wth

Yesterday, DM has said that rest 108 Jets would be made in India.

So I think that TOT is still on. Just dialouge partners have changed.

 

[abtank10]

that means 10 years wasted and that could had been the time in which we could had made a lot better plane if we had put in the effort......such a big blunder.......I hope we can procure 4 squadrons of rafale and put rest of the money in AMCA and "NOT FGFA" and i mean purely AMCA, so that future air force pilots have no reason to kill home made bird.......RIP to MMRCA......Pakistani's would be happy now

 

[SRP]

Centre scraps $20 billion MMRCA deal for 126 Rafale jets for IAF, LCA Tejas to replace MiG-21

New Delhi: In a surprising decision which is likely to have a major impact on the Indian Air Force (IAF), the Centre has scrapped the $20 billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal for purchase of 126 Rafale fighter jets signed by the previous United Progressive Alliance government. Speaking to CNN-IBN, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar claimed that Rafale fighters cannot replace the ageing MiG-21 which will be phased out in the next 6-10 years.

Parrikar said that India's indigenous Light Combat aircraft Tejas will replace MiG 21 as both are almost of the same category while the Rafale is a much bigger jet with a bigger range and more weapons carrying capabilities. "We have not purchased any new aircraft of latest technology in the past 15 years. IAF desperately needs fourth generation aircraft, the fifth generation that we are working on will take 10-15 years," said Parrikar.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his recent visit to France negotiated with the government there to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets in fly-away condition under a new deal. After meeting French President Francois Hollande in Paris on April 11, Modi announced that IAF would get 36 Rafale jets.

"I think it is a bold decision and I will give 100 out of 100 to the Prime Minister. Many people politically fail to take decision. But the need of the nation comes first. What Modiji has done is that he has got a deal for 36 aircraft. We will negotiate and will buy more. The ice has been broken," he said.

"We have 42 squadrons, we need 36-38 active squadrons. We are phasing out MiG-21. Rafale is not a replacement for MIG. It satisfies the upper end. IAF needs aircraft with capacity of 1000 kms radius. It is a strategic purchase. The earlier government should have taken decisions on government to government deals," added Parrikar.

While pointing out that IAF needs new fighters within a short time frame and so the government to government deal to buy 36 Rafale jets was finalised.

"We have not purchased all 36 aircraft. When there is a PM or President level deal, it is matter of principle clearance. We have promised to purchase 36 aircraft. The major reason for the deal is to induct it in the minimum time frame. It is a good deal," he said.

"Make in India part of the deal will be discussed between ministries. Rafale is a top end fighter and satisfies other criterion as well. The aircraft is expensive and hence we have to take steps. The deal for 126 jets would have cost Rs 90,000 crore. Rafale cannot replace MiG-21, Tejas can do that. We won't induct any low end aircraft. Tejas is a lighter aircraft, it has its limitations. It cannot loiter for hours. Its carrying capacity is only 10-12 tonnes whereas Rafale can carry 24 tonnes," he said.

On charges made by senior Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Subramanian Swamy that the Rafale deal is not in India's interest, the Defence Minister said that he will explain to his colleague the entire scenario and that Swamy's reaction was based on instant news.

But Swamy termed the new Rafale fighter jet deal between India and France a case of arbitrariness. Swamy is yet to decide on what action to take over Modi government's decision to purchase 36 aircraft from France.

Swamy said, "I have not yet decided on whether to approach the court. I am waiting for papers on the new Rafael deal. It prima facie appears to be a case of arbitrariness." Swamy requested Modi not to go ahead with the Rafale deal, which was negotiated by the previous UPA government, and said the performance of the French jet "turned out to be worst of all the aircraft" in Libya and Egypt.

IAF had shortlisted the Rafale fighter under the MMRCA deal after a close competition which also saw Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen in the race. While Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen were eliminated very early, Dassault Rafale edged out the Eurofighter Typhoon in the final negotiation.

At present the IAf has just 34 fighter squadrons against the ideal 45 squadrons required to take on the threat from both Pakistan and China simultaneously. The ageing MiG-21 and MiG-27 planes are being phased out which will see the IAF strength depleting by at least eight more squadrons.

Under the deal, India was to get only 18 Rafale directly while the rest 108 fighters were to be manufactured by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. But the final deal between India and France was stuck over who would be responsible for the manufacturers' guarantee on 108 jets which were to be built HAL. India wanted Rafale maker Dassault Aviation to take full responsibility which the latter had not agreed to.

Centre scraps $20 billion MMRCA deal for 126 Rafale jets for IAF, LCA Tejas to replace MiG-21 - IBNLive

 

[cerberus]

I think mod preferring numbers over quality,and don't forget quantity has its own quality

Where the hell it related quality do you think offself Rafale will be less capable than HAL Built one.

 

[shree835]

Guys ...Will advice you all to watch the interview before commenting anything.

 

[halupridol]

Guys ...Will advice you all to watch the interview before commenting anything.

link plz

 

[#hydra#]

I think tejas with current form is more than a match for any thing which Pakistan can field,then why to waste so much money for this expensive toy.people are telling this rafale is for china but this medium class rafale cannot deliver single bomb over Chinese mainland,it can do some sorties over tibet, that's all( simply because it lacks range).

 

[SR-91]

IF TRUE.

ITS REALLY A GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!
TOO MANY LOOP HOLES IN THE CURRENT DEAL.
NOW, IT WILL BE A GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT DEAL,WHICH WILL TRULY BENEFIT INDIA.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

@kaykay - your statement is being contradicted here.

the Centre has scrapped the $20 billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal for purchase of 126 Rafale fighter jets signed by the previous United Progressive Alliance government. Speaking to CNN-IBN, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar claimed that Rafale fighters cannot replace the ageing MiG-21 which will be phased out in the next 6-10 years.

Shouldhave watched DMs interview in DD news buddy.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Dude did you watch his interview today? BTW your post doesn't say anything at all on what he said on govt to govt deal.

Future Rafale deals will also be under govt to govt: Parrikar | Business Line

I can't understand one thing. A deal that took 5 years to do the most transparent evalatin for any plane in history, where the tenders were invited for the most detailed sort, suddenly go into a vortex? And don't give me that 'congress f**ked up' BS, all players said this was the most transparent evaluation they have ever seen. This tendency to break off accepted practices and going to other formats- I'm getting an increasing feeling that something is rotten.

 

[Taygibay]

Wowwwww.....Just Unbelievable!!

I lack information to pass decent judgment, mate! The interview of MoD Parrikar makes some sense.
Then again, your govt seems to be Modi centric from the outside. Still, Mister Parrikar is more credible
than Swamy by far.

The only sad thing would be the loss of ToT. I'm confused only by that disappearing in the changes.
LCA for MiG21 sounds fine though.

why not f18SH

Because the SH did NOT make the IAF MMRCA testing cut???
Come on, let go of your fanboyism already, man!
Rafale won the Swiss eval by miles but was dropped for lack of financial resources.
You didn't hear me complain once. Things like that happen, buddy; that's all! Get over it unless you want
your airforce to get sub-par jets because you like their looks or how Hollywood portrays them? Tsssk

Overall, let's just wait for a more complete confirmation. It wouldn't be the first MMRCA mix-up, now would it?

I'll go look for news. Back here if we find some?
Tay.

 

[migflug]

नई दिल्ली। फ्रांस के लड़ाकू विमान राफेल की आलोचना कर रहे लोगों को आईबीएन7 पर देश के रक्षा मंत्री मनोहर पर्रिकर ने करारा जवाब दिया है। पर्रिकर ने आईबीएन7 से एक्सक्लूसिव बातचीत में साफ कहा कि ये विमान वायुसेना की जरूरत है। राफेल बेहतरीन क्षमता वाला विमान है और उसपर सवाल उठाना पूरी तरह से बेमानी है।

पर्रिकर ने राफेल को लेकर की जा रही आलोचनाओं का जवाब भी दिया और साफ कहा कि ये कहना गलत होगा कि राफेल विमान वायुसेना में इस वक्त मिग-21 विमानों का विकल्प है। पर्रिकर ने राफेल विमानों का विरोध कर रहे बीजेपी नेता सुब्रह्मण्यम स्वामी को समझाने की बात भी कही।

उन्होंने साफ कहा कि वो स्वामी से मिलेंगे और उन्हें समझाएंगे। गौरतलब है कि स्वामी ने इस सौदे के खिलाफ अदालत में जाने की धमकी दी थी। रक्षा मंत्री ने ये भी बताया कि मिग-21 की जगह देश में ही बन रहे हल्के विमान तेजस तैनात होंगे।

सुमित अवस्थी: 36 राफेल विमानों पर तो बात हो गई है लेकिन बाकी 90 विमानों के मुद्दे पर क्या बात हो रही है?

मनोहर पर्रिकर: मेक इन इंडिया पर दोनों सरकारों के साथ बात होने के बाद ही होगी। राफेल काफी महंगा विमान है। 126 विमानों के लिए 90 हजार करोड का सौदा होगा। सरकार से सरकार स्तर पर बात के बाद मेक इन इंडिया पर बात होगी। राफेल से मिग-21 रिप्लेस नहीं होगा, बाकी 90 विमानों पर हम चर्चा करेगें। तेजस से मिग-21 रिप्लेस होगा। 36 प्लेन खरीदने का निर्णय इन प्रिसिंपल हुआ है। दोनों देशों की टीमें बैठकर निर्णय लेगी कि कितने राफेल बनाने हैं। मिग 21 की जगह हल्का विमान तेजस लेगा।

सुमित अवस्थी: क्या ये सच है कि पिछले 10 सालों में दुनिया भर के रक्षा मंत्रालयों के मुकाबले हम पीछे छूट गए?

मनोहर पर्रिकर: मुझे किसी पर कीचढ़ फेंकने की आदत नहीं है, आरएफपी मॉडल से डील करना ही गलत है। पिछले दस सालों में किसी का किसी पर भरोसा नहीं रहा। एक रैंक, एक पेंशन का मुद्दा समाधान की ओर है। लेकिन कोर्ट के अंतरिम आदेश के कारण मुझे फैसला देखना होगा। अधिकतम 1 साल में हम एक रैंक, एक पेंशन को लागू कर सकेगें।

सुमित अवस्थी: राफेल सौदे को लेकर सुबह्यण्यम स्वामी कोर्ट जाने की बात कर रहे हैं?

मनोहर पर्रिकर: मैं सुबह्यण्यम स्वामी का सम्मान करता हूं। लेकिन मैं उन्हें एक दिन समझाने के लिए बुलाउंगा। उनका निर्णय इंस्टेट न्यूज पर आधारित हो सकता है।

सुमित अवस्थी: दिग्विजय सिंह के आरोपो पर क्या कहेंगे?

मनोहर पर्रिकर: हमारी डील क्लियर स्टेटमेंट पर है। हम आरएफपी से कम प्राइस पर बात करेगें। दोनों सरकारों के बीच सौदा क्या पहली बार हो रहा है।

राफेल वायुसेना की जरूरत, सवाल बेमानीः पर्रिकर - IBN Khabar
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