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Central Asians Concerned About India, Pakistan Joining SCO

Exactly the reason why India is not an Industrial giant like Pakistan. :D

Oh btw with $46 billion CPEC investment, Pakistan within a year will overtake USA as the 2nd largest manufacturer in the world. :lol:

But we will be left behind again when India becomes a super power by 2020 :'(
 
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There was no need to add Pakistan to the grouping.

Pakistan adds zero value to the group either by International standing or by economic strength or by military strength.

If a politically unstable country with dubious links to terrorist organizations was needed, adding Pakistan makes sense.
 
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Central Asians Concerned About India, Pakistan Joining SCO | EurasiaNet.org

Central Asians Concerned About India, Pakistan Joining SCO
July 15, 2015 - 6:01am, by Joshua Kucera


Uzbekistan President Islam Karimov meets his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin at the SCO summit in Ufa. Behind the smiles, there were disagreements over the planned accession of India and Pakistan to the group. (photo: president.uz)
Central Asian states are eyeing with concern the planned expansion of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization to include India and Pakistan, regional analysts say.

With the addition of the two South Asian countries, the membership of the organization -- now China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan -- would increase from six to eight. Four of those are outside Central Asia, and all four of those are nuclear powers with populations and economies that far surpass those of the SCO's four Central Asian members.

While there is little room in the SCO for public dissent, Uzbekistan President Islam Karimov issued probably the most surprising statement of the summit, saying that the addition of India and Pakistan "would not only change the political map, but would change the balance of power. This is not a simple issue, and it needs to be discussed."

That went against the conventional wisdom in Ufa, which was that the addition of India and Pakistan would make the SCO stronger and was to be welcomed.

On India and Pakistan, Karimov "said what everyone was thinking, but wouldn't say," said Galiya Ibragimova, a consultant on Central Asia at the Moscow PIR Center on Political Research, in an interview with The Bug Pit.

The concerns about the addition of India and Pakistan are various. In Karimov's case, he is worried that it would shift the group's attention away from Central Asia to South Asia.

Ibragimova pointed out that Karimov has traditionally not wanted to participate in groups where the focus was outside of Central Asia, noting that its decision to pull out of the Collective Security Treaty Organization in 2012 was justified by the fact that the CSTO was also getting involved in conflicts outside the region, for example Nagorno Karabakh.

"This doesn't mean that Uzbekistan will suspend its participation in the SCO, especially as Chinese infrastructure projects on the mainland part of Eurasia are discussed in the organization," she said. "But the former importance of the organization for Tashkent may begin to decline and the country will again intensify the bilateral diplomacy with its partners for which it's known."

That concern is shared in Kazakhstan, as well. "Closer cooperation with BRICS and SCO countries is in our [Kazakhstan's] interest. At the same time, it's important to avoid involvement in geopolitical vortices that can carry us away from our real interests," said Askar Nursha, a foreign policy scholar at the Astana Institute of World Economy and Politics, in an interview with Kazakhstan newspaper Kursiv.

And one official think tank scholar in Astana suggested that the planned expansion could be blocked. "De jure, the process has yet to be fully clarified. It is quite possible that an existing SCO member could block their entry," said Sanat Kushkumbayev, deputy director of the Kazakhstan Institute for Strategic Studies under the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan, an an interview with the website Russia Direct. "Karimov noted with good reason that the entry of nuclear India and Pakistan to the SCO could change the balance of power inside the organization and internationally. There are many unresolved issues between Delhi and Islamabad, and how this will square with the SCO’s declared spirit of cooperation is unclear."

In addition, not all of the members of the SCO are happy with its role as a platform for criticizing the West. "Kazakhs want to avoid SCO turning into anti-Western bloc. There is also understanding that the so-called 'Shanghai spirit' (equality, openness) under massive influence of China could easily be turned into a 'Beijing spirit" with strict hierarchy among SCO member states," said Daniyar Kosnazarov, head of the Central Asia and Caspian Region Department at the Analytical Complex of the Library of the First President of Kazakhstan, in an interview with The Bug Pit. "That is why Nazarbayev put an emphasis on Shanghai spirit again and again in his speech."

There are, of course, also plusses to the addition of the South Asian countries. The possibility (albeit still unclear) of an SCO development bank raises the prospect of increased investment in Central Asia, and the addition of, in particular, India, means that therw would be a lot more potential money in the bank.

"Elevation to the global level opens the door to the prospect of project financing mechanisms within the SCO," Adil Kaukenov, a Kazakhstani expert on China, told Russia Direct. "That is Astana’s primary hope for expansion — the injection of Chinese and Indian capital in the development of infrastructure and energy."

Nevertheless, in the majority of regional commentary on the planned expansion, concern seemed to dominate. It's not clear how far Karimov could go in blocking India and Pakistan's accession, but that will certainly be something to watch for, in particular if he has the silent support of the other Central Asian states. It also will be interesting to see how India and Pakistan's participation will be reflected in the SCO's anti-Western, pro-authoritarian rhetoric, given that India is a democracy and Pakistan a close military ally of the United States.

And the proposed expansion may not be over: Iran is likely the next potential member, and with a deal on its nuclear program now signed, that would seem to remove the major barrier to Tehran's accession. Interesting times ahead.
He noticed this after we already are part of the organization
 
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Why SCO would include a country as economically useless as pakistan is beyond me.
 
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You'd think they'd like to balance China with India?

There is hardly any balance, just like in BRICS. The relative economic, fiscal and industrial weight of an expanded SCO are like:

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GDP (current US$) | Data | Table
List of countries by foreign-exchange reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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In terms of total trade clout, net trade (i.e. surplus or deficit) and hi-technology exports (products with high R&D intensity, such as in aerospace, computers, pharmaceuticals, scientific instruments, and electrical machinery), the relative weight are as below:

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Concern of CAR is valid they have example of SAARC...

CAR could easily co-operate with Pakistan as these are also members of ECO, and the aim of ECO is to increase connectivity in the region..
 
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^^ All the above posts are example why CAR doesnt want India and Pakistan.....
 
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Lol..they say that bringing India and Pakistan is bad...then they again say that bringing India would be good because of the financial aspect...net result is they pointing out who they do not want.
 
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Kick India out so the central asians will feel safe.
 
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^^ All the above posts are example why CAR doesnt want India and Pakistan.....

Pakistan at least is geographically in the Central Asian region?

Plus Gwadar can be Central Asia's access point to the warm waters of the Arabian Sea.

India doesn't actually have any border with Central Asia, since GB is a part of Pakistan.
 
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There was no need to add Pakistan to the grouping.

Pakistan adds zero value to the group either by International standing or by economic strength or by military strength.

If a politically unstable country with dubious links to terrorist organizations was needed, adding Pakistan makes sense.

Do a lungi dance whilst balancing a portrait of Darendra Modi on your head. No one cares.
 
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Pakistan at least is geographically in the Central Asian region?

Plus Gwadar can be Central Asia's access point to the warm waters of the Arabian Sea.

India doesn't actually have any border with Central Asia, since GB is a part of Pakistan.

Gilgit Baltistan and adjoining areas of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa where people like the Wakhi amongst other Pamiri peoples reside could I think easily be considered part of C Asia. Even other parts of Pakistan share historical and cultural ties with C Asian peoples especially the Pashtun and Hazara ethnic groups.
 
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Concern of CAR is valid they have example of SAARC...

CAR could easily co-operate with Pakistan as these are also members of ECO, and the aim of ECO is to increase connectivity in the region..

Yes Pakistan's inclusion is very natural given the already established ties with all the members.

Plus Gwadar can be Central Asia's access point to the warm waters of the Arabian Sea.

Well said!
 
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