Featured CENTCOM : Iran possesses one of most capable militaries in the Middle East

[KaiserX]

Go look at a map of Syria and look at the territory under Syrian rebel control and come tell me how much Iran backed Syrian government was defeated! You act like Russia was willing to get involved in the war without Iranian backed forces on the ground in Syria. You also like to act like the "rebels" were not getting all kinds of help from the Saudis ,Qataris, Turks... and even the U.S its self. What were all those foreign fighters doing in rebel ranks? do they count as "Syrian rebels"?

So you take Syria+Russias successes as well and fully attribute those to Iran? Iran was getting butchered in Syria before they called on Russia to intervene mainly in the form of air power. At the same time you guys used lebanese hezbollah to intervene.

If any country was key to tilting the war in syria it was Russia due to the use of its air force to support ground troops. Syria and Iran have a none existent outdated air force.

If US attacked Iran I highly doubt it would be a full scale invasion. It would likely just be a large bombing campaign in which they would completely destroy your air force/navy/infrastructure in a matter of days. You cant compare yourself with the taliban. They fought an occupying force. You have a none existent air force, and your navy will be completely wiped. Dont forget what happened in Operation Praying Mantis.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Bravery being claimed by someone who holds all the records for all major military upsets in history and yes you guessed it right that is Iran/Persia

They use to field an enormous armies in the range of 1-million and then end up getting routed by 100-200k forces or even less and this is something that has repeated itself in Persia and something called the persian phenomenon complex.. Against Omar(Ra), Alexander, Romans, Hotaki etc etc..

If you actually new anything about the Iran Iraq war then you would now that Iraq had more manpower in its military during the War than Iran had. By 1988 Iraq had the world's 4th largest army numbering 1 million troops in a country of 18 million. You would also know that there were over 20 000 Soviet advisers working in Iraq and that there were many thousands of foreign workers this is why they were able to field such a large army and (still keep Iraq functional) and mercenaries fighting for Iraq. Iran captured Mercenaries from more than 14 nationalities on the battlefield. There were even Soviet and French pilots amongst others who were flying for the Iraqi Air Force.

Iraq went completely broke by 1982 fighting the war having spent its $30 billion (1980s Dollars)currency reserves and had to borrow $80-$90 Billion dollars from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait( resulting in 1990 Persian Gulf War) in order continue fighting the war. Iran managed to fight the war on her own and was able to pay off the debt Iran had accumulated during the Government of the Shah!

From 1983-1988 Iraq was using huge amount of chemical weapons( Blistering agent at first but then nerve agent) against not only Iranian troops but against civilians not only in Iran but also Iraqi Kurds in Halabja. Iraq did all this while there exists an international ban on the use of Chemical weapons (1925 Geneva Protocol) that every single country in the west completely Ignored.

Iran not only manage to Fight the war that Iraqis were told by US intelligence would only last 3 weeks for 8 long hard years, but Iran did so while under an Arms ban! Sure Iran got about $100 million worth of spare parts for some of Iran's U.S made weapons from Israel clandestinely early in the war and Iran got a few thousand TOW ATGMs and a much smaller number of Hawk SAMs and some spare parts during the 1985 Iran Contra affair but that was peanuts compared to the huge amount of arms that Iraq was buying from around the world. Iraq started the war with 2000 tanks, lost 3000 tanks throughout the war and finished the war with 5000 tanks! Iraq started the War with 332 aircraft, lost several hundred aircraft and ended the war with over 900 combat capable aircraft! (6th largest air force in the world at that time)

In late Summer of 1988 Iraq launched a series of successful offensives (using a liberal amount of Nerve agent chemical weapons and was able to regain The Foe Peninsula and Majnoon Island from Iranian forces on the Iraqi side of Karun river(shatt al Arab). This along with the fact that Iran was also fighting the U.S Navy (who managed to shoot down an Iranian Airliner in an unprovoked attack) led Iran to finally sign UN resolution 598 officially ending the War or so Iran had thought! Even with the resolution sighned Iraq launched an attack Code named "morvarid" utilizing The Mujahedeen Khalq (Iranian Marxist Islamist) Cult/Terrorist group armed and trained by Iraq and stationed in camp Ashraf in Iraq. They were so convinced that Iran's military had been shattered that they just drove in a column trying to get to Tehran but they were completely routed in a combined Arms operation involving the IRGC, IRI Army and the IRIAF named operation "Mersad". The last battle fought during the Iran Iraq war was a major victory for Iran!

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

So you take Syria+Russias successes as well and fully attribute those to Iran? Iran was getting butchered in Syria before they called on Russia to intervene mainly in the form of air power. At the same time you guys used lebanese hezbollah to intervene.

If any country was key to tilting the war in syria it was Russia due to the use of its air force to support ground troops. Syria and Iran have a none existent outdated air force.

If US attacked Iran I highly doubt it would be a full scale invasion. It would likely just be a large bombing campaign in which they would completely destroy your air force/navy/infrastructure in a matter of days. You cant compare yourself with the taliban. They fought an occupying force. You have a none existent air force, and your navy will be completely wiped. Dont forget what happened in Operation Praying Mantis.

So Iran is weak and powerless against the might of the US military. Ok. So how come you and your "strongest Military in the history of the world" never take direct military action against the" Leading state sponser of Terrorism". If Iran is as weak as you say why haven't your forces ever taken direct military action against Iran since Operation Eagle Claw (1988)? You claim that Iran shot down your RQ-4 over international airspace. So why did the U.S eat the loss and not retaliated against an Iranian air defense site? The SAM that shot it down belongs to the IRGC, a U.S designated "Terrorist group". Since when does the U.S allow terrorists to get away with attacking your assets? That was under President Trump's watch. Was he too soft on Iran? did he have a sweet spot for "the Mullahs". How come he didn't take any military action against Iran after Iran fired missiles down on your base in Ain Al Assad Air Base over a course of several hours? Don't give me the excuse that it was because there were no casualties. No one would have known about the casualties till after the attack. Why didn't the U.S take out the missile launchers in "self defense" when they were in the process of setting up to launch against your airbase? Perhaps American troops like getting brain damage? They must love pissing and shitting them selves sitting in a bunker under intense missile strikes, praying to God to make it through alive? they must think its real fun huh!

 

[KAL-EL]

The source is ‘Western’ and therefore should not be trusted.

 

[Oruc]

Iran has some good BM and drones. But they are deficient in more than enough ways. EW and network centric warfare being the biggest areas. They can stand up to US or western armies like Afg did and fight gorilla war. In that way they can make a war not feasible economically for most of the opponents. But they might not be able to thwart arial attacks and bombing etc.

 

[Dariush the Great]

Iran has some good BM and drones. But they are deficient in more than enough ways. EW and network centric warfare being the biggest areas. They can stand up to US or western armies like Afg did and fight gorilla war. In that way they can make a war not feasible economically for most of the opponents. But they might not be able to thwart arial attacks and bombing etc.

Gorilla war? lol

All nations on earth including your beloved country will get bombed to dust if a war breaks out with the US. They will just come and bomb the hell out of everything completely paralyzing the entire chain of command. This is common knowledge.. the only nations able to put up a decent classical conventional warfare are the Russians and the Chinese. What is preventing the US from bombing Iran is Iran's political shrewdness.. its Ballistic Missiles and allied groups in the region making it costly for the US to make any move.

 

[Hack-Hook]

And what is your points bro??? how can these subs survive in front of these nuke subs of USN in case of war??

what the point . are they supposed to use nukes against our subs

 

[Oruc]

Gorilla war? lol

All nations on earth including your beloved country will get bombed to dust if a war breaks out with the US. They will just come and bomb the hell out of everything completely paralyzing the entire chain of command. This is common knowledge.. the only nations able to put up a decent classical conventional warfare are the Russians and the Chinese. What is preventing the US from bombing Iran is Iran's political shrewdness.. its Ballistic Missiles and allied groups in the region making it costly for the US to make any move.

Well you are well with in your rights to believe anything you want.

But the fact is that in todays world only thing that prohibits war and acts as a limiting factor is its cost vs benefit ratio. US military is formidable. I stated a fact about your beloved country not that US vs Pak would prove otherwise. But which country in the region can inflict most damage is another debate altogether which you might not win.

what the point . are they supposed to use nukes against our subs

Plz sir. Nuclear sub means their propulsion is through nuclear reactor....

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran has some good BM and drones. But they are deficient in more than enough ways. EW and network centric warfare being the biggest areas. They can stand up to US or western armies like Afg did and fight gorilla war. In that way they can make a war not feasible economically for most of the opponents. But they might not be able to thwart arial attacks and bombing etc.

don't underestimate Iran EW capabilities and our middle and long range air-defense (they are far more advanced than the systems many European countries have)

 

[White and Green with M/S]

what the point . are they supposed to use nukes against our subs

i am talking about nuke subs not nuclear weapon, how can your subs survive??? you're talking about firing a hoot (aka copy of Shkval) it has a range only few thousand of meters/yards at best but USN have MK-48 ADCAP torpedos with a range of 50+ km so USN can easily destroy your toy subs before your can fire Hoot

don't underestimate Iran EW capabilities and our middle and long range air-defense (they are far more advanced than the systems many European countries have)

don't make joke I'm laughing so hard that i have a pain in my belly

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

i am talking about nuke subs not nuclear weapon, how can your subs survive??? you're talking about firing a hoot (aka copy of Shkval) it has a range only few thousand of meters/yards at best but USN have MK-48 ADCAP torpedos with a range of 50+ km so USN can easily destroy your toy subs before your can fire Hoot

don't make joke I'm laughing so hard that i have a pain in my belly

Is the U.S planning on bringing their giant nuclear hunter Killer Subs into the shallow waters of the Persian gulf to hunt Iran's Gadir Subs? Have you any idea what the maximum depth in the Persian gulf is? Keep laughing like the absolute moron that you are because we are laughing at your stupidity!

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Is the U.S planning on bringing their giant nuclear hunter Killer Subs into the shallow waters of the Persian gulf to hunt Iran's Gadir Subs? Have you any idea what the maximum depth in the Persian gulf is? Keep laughing like the absolute moron that you are because we are laughing at your stupidity!

Another laughing troll without any brain Virginia class also sails in shallow waters of Persian Gulf, and Persian Gulf have depth of 300 feet + on average its enough depth for any nuclear subs to sail through Persian Gulf

 

[Oruc]

And all of these admirals think that it would be sub vs sub fight. P8s and ASW platforms along with drones will all eat naan channy and listen poetry of Hafiz.

Anyways carry on dear neighbours.

 

[MMM-E]

The US never can dare ground invasion
The US can use conventional military power to turn İran into stone age

on the other hand İran can use BMs and proxies in Lebanon , Syria , Iraq to hurt İsrael and American bases in the region


btw İran can wipe out many American Warships and Submarines in the Persian gulf , if İranian defense industry is so good like İranians said

-- 200 km long range SAM
-- 200+ km Coastal Defence Missile in anti-ship role
-- anti-ship Ballistic Missile
-- Kamikaze Drones
-- 100+ missile Boats
-- FACs , Corvettes , Frigates , Submarines

also İran needs heavy UCAV to carry SONOBOUYS and lightweight torpedos to hunt American Submarines

and stealth Unmanned Vessels - Submarines armed with anti-ship missiles , torpedos

 

[Mav3rick]

Kinda reminds of "Iraqi WMD"!!

I wonder why they are crying "Wolf", generally when they cry "Wolf", a Muslim country gets ripped to shreds.

Where the fact of the matter is that the USN & USAF can dominate Iranian Airspace (or any Airspace in the world); not just that, they can do it within a day against Iran. What has Iran that can challenge the 5th (and quite possibly 5.5th/6th Gen) USAF & USN Jets and other classified Air technology?

Agreed, they cannot fight a war against Iran on the Ground (let alone win it). However, they can annihilate the country's military installations and other installations of strategic importance and cripple the entire infrastructure in months, from the Air & Sea. And they can successfully intercept most of Iranian BM's so again, I wonder why they are crying "Wolf"!