CCS rejects PM’s line, won’t go soft on Siachen

[alok mishra]

Cabinet Committee on Security rejects PM’s line, won’t go soft on Siachen

NEW DELHI: India is not going to give up its tactical and strategic advantage over Pakistan in the Siachen Glacier-Saltoro Ridge region anytime soon, even though the PM Manmohan Singh may still want to convert it into "a mountain of peace''.

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), chaired by the PM, on Thursday cleared the 'brief' for the 13th round of the defence secretary-level talks to be held with Pakistan in Islamabad on June 11-12.

Sources said the Indian delegation, led by defence secretary Shashikant Sharma, will insist Pakistan first agree to the three sequential 'prerequisites' of authentication, delineation and demarcation of the respective troop positions on the Saltoro Ridge before military pullback plans can be discussed.

While there has been some buzz of 'a breakthrough' on the long-festering Siachen dispute , the Army has cautioned the UPA against any concessions in the face of Pakistani intransigence in providing iron-clad guarantees for even verifying the 110-km Actual Ground Position Line.

Defence minister A K Antony himself told Parliament in May that "dramatic decisions'' should not be expected from the talks slated for next week. Sources said India will tell Pakistan to first 'authenticate' the respective troop positions on the AGPL along the Saltoro Ridge since Indian soldiers occupy most of the 'dominating' posts there and Pakistani soldiers are three to seven km away from the glacier.

Second, the authentication process will have to be followed by proper 'delineation' both on the map as well as on the ground. This, in turn, will lead to the final 'demarcation' of the agreed border. India will only then 'consider' the proposed 'disengagement' and 'redeployment' of troops from the heights varying from 16,000 to 22,000-feet.

With better infrastructure and supply lines in place, the Army is no longer haemorrhaging like it did in the early years after its 'Operation Meghdoot' in April 1984 preempted Pakistan's 'Operation Ababeel' to occupy the icy heights. Pakistan, which lost 139 soldiers in an avalanche in April, is desperate to resolve the dispute since it is bleeding more. Over 3,000 of its soldiers have died in the region since 1984.

 

[Screambowl]

I hope they wont lie. But A Good decision, thankfully no Sharm al Sheikh!

 

[Supply&Demand]

MMS should concern himself only with domestic issues..may be he can put some of his brain and guts to pull up our slowing down economy...

Leave the foreign policy decisions with IAS officers and politicians who take actions based on logic and not emotion.

 

[arp2041]

don't know MMS is the PM of which country & working for interests of which country?? he should really retire by now or he will drag India into the biggest strategic disasters the country have ever witnessed since Nehru's 1948 disaster of Kashmir, though he will certainly get Noble peace prize for it which he desires greatly.

 

[Archie]

MMS should concern himself only with domestic issues..may be he can put some of his brain and guts to pull up our slowing down economy...

Leave the foreign policy decisions with IAS officers and politicians who take actions based on logic and not emotion.

Also Some one should shoot Mamta ***** Banergi
The economy is in trouble and she is trying to torpedoe every reform the govt is trying

Atleast the BJP should have the shame to come forward and support the government in implementing economic reforms that are essential to increase economic growth ,
Instead of just Blamming the govenment for policy paralysis

 

[Supply&Demand]

Also Some one should shoot Mamta ***** Banergi
The economy is in trouble and she is trying to torpedoe every reform the govt is trying

Atleast the BJP should have the shame to come forward and support the government in implementing economic reforms that are essential to increase economic growth ,
Instead of just Blamming the govenment for policy paralysis

As much as i want BJP to come to power, I believe they dont have the capability of winning more than 200 seats in the next election. And they know too..So they are doing nothing but opposing everything that the gov does hoping that something would work.

And i agree Mamata is worse than CPM of west bengal..Atleast Buddhadeb had the sense and direction in which the state should proceed. This lady does not know what to do , except to shout and accuse everyone of being Communist sympathizer who disagrees with her.

 

[Baby Leone]

This indian attitude will take more life & money in future

send this CCS member to siachin & ask them to live there, than we will see how hard they want to be.....

or ask those inocent soldiers abt this idioic stance.

 

[livingdead]

This indian attitude will take more life & money in future

send this CCS member to siachin & ask them to live there, than we will see how hard they want to be.....

or ask those inocent soldiers abt this idioic stance.

Indian army is opposed to vacating siachen, and it makes sense after kargil.
It is better to lose a few guys every year than to fight a costly ( in men and material) war later on.

 

[HZR2011]

MMS should retire,he will sell pieces of Kashmir in the name of peace with pakistan...shame on him

 

[arp2041]

This indian attitude will take more life & money in future

send this CCS member to siachin & ask them to live there, than we will see how hard they want to be.....

or ask those inocent soldiers abt this idioic stance.

First of all amazed by your concern for Indian soldiers. Secondly it is the Indian army itself which is opposing withdrawal & to give you a shocker about siachin is that it is a voluntary posting & no one is forced to go serve there than also there is a huge waiting list for that. You are saying these words because PA don't have any control over Siachin glacier, wonder what would your tone had been if the situation would had been just opposite. And if you are sincerely worried about precious life & money than why don't your govt. authenticate the current military positions, India is not a fool to vacate the glacier just to see a repeat of Kargil.

 

[Supply&Demand]

First of all amazed by your concern for Indian soldiers. Secondly it is the Indian army itself which is opposing withdrawal & to give you a shocker about siachin is that it is a voluntary posting & no one is forced to go serve there than also there is a huge waiting list for that. You are saying these words because PA don't have any control over Siachin glacier, wonder what would your tone had been if the situation would had been just opposite. And if you are sincerely worried about precious life & money than why don't your govt. authenticate the current military positions, India is not a fool to vacate the glacier just to see a repeat of Kargil.

Pakistan's attitude is hilarious..

Their position is '' India is a fool to keep so many soldiers and waste so much money on Siachen. Since India is foolish, we will also be foolish".

My question is Pakistan can remove its troops and can go and do whatever if it believes India is foolish?

 

[arp2041]

Pakistan's attitude is hilarious..

Their position is '' India is a fool to keep so many soldiers and waste so much money on Siachen. Since India is foolish, we will also be foolish".

My question is Pakistan can remove its troops and can go and do whatever if it believes India is foolish?

Pakistan is really bleeding on many counts in Siachin:

1. They have lost Siachin completely but can't say this to there people as that will be of great national shame.

2. India controls nearly 1000 sq miles of territory in Siachin + controls Nubra & shyok river in Siachin which ultimately joins the Indus river that means it is a major source for the most important river of Pakistan.

3. India has over the years mastered the environment of Siachin & with the modern gears it has brought down the casualty rate drastically. This is not the case with Pakistan since they are loosing both life & money in siachin (money is serious issue in economically weak Pakistan but not the case with India).

4. By controlling the Siachin glacier India has got the control over Karakoram Pass which is very crucial for security around Ladakh region, Pakistan again wanted another link to it's "all weather friend" China.

These are the counts which make siachin of great strategic importance to India.

 

[Baby Leone]

Pakistan is really bleeding on many counts in Siachin:

1. They have lost Siachin completely but can't say this to there people as that will be of great national shame.

2. India controls nearly 1000 sq miles of territory in Siachin + controls Nubra & shyok river in Siachin which ultimately joins the Indus river that means it is a major source for the most important river of Pakistan.

3. India has over the years mastered the environment of Siachin & with the modern gears it has brought down the casualty rate drastically. This is not the case with Pakistan since they are loosing both life & money in siachin (money is serious issue in economically weak Pakistan but not the case with India).

4. By controlling the Siachin glacier India has got the control over Karakoram Pass which is very crucial for security around Ladakh region, Pakistan again wanted another link to it's "all weather friend" China.

These are the counts which make siachin of great strategic importance to India.

keep becoming fool with the false pride,

plus who invade the emty glacier first? go and google before asking Pakistan to vacate the area...

 

[ironman1]

keep becoming fool with the false pride,

plus who invade the emty glacier first? go and google before asking Pakistan to vacate the area...

oh please !

 

[arp2041]

keep becoming fool with the false pride,

plus who invade the emty glacier first? go and google before asking Pakistan to vacate the area...

Dude, i m giving facts if you think any thing wrong in it correct me with your own observations not this cheap lines. What India did is called in military terms as pre-emptive strike (Israel in 1967, Japan in Pearl Harbor or Pakistan in 1971) against Pakistan's Operation Ababeel. I will recommend you to read this on wikipedia than you will understand India was aggressor or just defended itself by pre-empting Pakistan's move.