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[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hi,

They were literally begging---they were scared sh-itless of the isis at that time.

They put their nations on a platter and asked pakistan to defend them. Only thing that pakistan had to ask was the money---.

I am telling you---I approached the highest authority---they refused to listen to me---I shared with them the game plan---they rejected it---.

Till the moment came of Kalbhoshan Yadev---that is where they got shook up---then they said "barri ghalti ho gai hai---samajh nahin aiyee"---.

And then again Gen Raheel screws up---he becomes head of the fighting force---.

They should have gone back to page one and this time offered pak military assistance as they should have done it the first time---.

But Gen Raheel decided to do it alone----now he is stuck---what is a general without his OWN military to follow---.

And what have they given to other countries (bar Egypt) participating in the coalition ?

It's a coalition without any troops on ground.

Saudis aren't muppets you offer you dozens of billions of dollars .. nor will they want 150K troops when they already have the manpower!

You are imagining unrealistic stuff, which has no "sar,paer".

Neither you seem to understand the cost of jumping into a foolish secterian tussle turned proxy war, which we have nothing to do with!

" Empires are not built by fearful men. One must be take risks in a high stakes game ". DB

Neither are Empires built of speculations,fighting for others or begging bowls.

Empires are built on the sweat and blood of nations!

In the 90s Pak raised brigades in KSA, we moved 75,000 troops to KSA.. but guess what!!!

We weren't paid dozens of billions of dollars or with fancy western weapons!

They barely paid salaries.

 

[wiseone2]

I agree with @MastanKhan , It was a big strategic mistake. Had Pakistan agreed we could have easily used Aden as a military base at the head of Gulf of Aden, a huge strategic advantage in case of war with India. With a couple of squadrons, again financed by GCC and naval task group you can plug it permanently for India in case of hostilities. A bad mistake if not a blunder..

Also it would have resulted in building 2-3 brigades as best and that at the expense of Gulf countries. Plus I think Yemeni President would have been ecstatic, a Pakistani contingent meant that he did not have to worry about usual tribalistic and fractious Arab politics. And for us many military as well as financial advantages.

But I do not think it was Army which disagreed.. it was a sort of a campaign in media, in political circles and in government, I think especially in foreign office, which seem to have made the government balk at it.

It is highly unlikely any country allows India or Pakistan to use their soil as bases during a war

Yemen does not have the money to finance 2-3 Pakistani army brigades. If he had the money he would rather hire his own clansmen. The Gulf countries have the money. The only problem would be that they expect one of their royals to be unit commanders.

 

[MastanKhan]

And what have they given to other countries (bar Egypt) participating in the coalition ?

It's a coalition without any troops on ground.

Saudis aren't muppets you offer you dozens of billions of dollars .. nor will they want 150K troops when they already have the manpower!

You are imagining unrealistic stuff, which has no "sar,paer".

Neither you seem to understand the cost of jumping into a foolish secterian tussle turned proxy war, which we have nothing to do with!

" Empires are not built by fearful men. One must be take risks in a high stakes game ". DB

Neither are Empires built of speculations,fighting for others or begging bowls.

Empires are built on the sweat and blood of nations!

In the 90s Pak raised brigades in KSA, we moved 75,000 troops to KSA.. but guess what!!!

We weren't paid dozens of billions of dollars or with fancy western weapons!

They barely paid salaries.

Hi,

I request young men to think with their brains and not otherwise---.

Once the saudis / gcc made request for troops---it would not be their choice to say how many---it would be pak military's choice to say what is needed---.

Then it was not only saudia that needed troops---it was the emirate---oman---muscat---Bahrain---Qatar---Jordan---all of them---.

They can say what they want---but it is your pitch that count counts---. Those countries were in a panic at that time---truly scared of the Iranian & isis encroachment and threat---they were desperate---desperate people pay a lot of money not to be desperate.

The weapons would be placed in the region and maintained in that region---in the 90's---there was no terrorist threat of any kind---so the pak troops were paid the wages under those conditions---.

This time the threat was for the very existence of gcc---iran playing a proxy on one side---isis from the other---.

The matter of funding can be debatable but it is meaningless---. If not 30---then maybe 25---if not that then maybe 15-20---but whatever the amount would have been---it would have been substantial.

I mean to say---sitting on your ar-se and making all kinds of excuses is a standard pakistani excuse.

I don't know in what lala land you have lived in---the british empire was built like that---the american empire was built like that---. The americans had nothing to do in the 2nd world war but once it got in---the face and shape of the united states changed forever---.

The face of spain changed for 700 years and the look of the islamic empire as well when Zengi was in a desperate situation and asked Salahuddin to come help him against the crusaders.

The allied forces joined hands with enemy russia to defeat germany---.

You ought to have intelligence enough to understand the differences in circumstances between what was in the 90's to what it is now---then you have to learn to make the sale pitch of what is needed and what is a must---.

If the enemy has created panic---then you also have to pour oil on the fire to burn a little hotter so that they can understand your point of view---.

Look at the americans---they have run away with a 100 billion dollars deal just from saudia---and that can increase into 350 billion dollar deal---and not counting---the money the the emirates---qatar---bahrain---Oman---Muscat would spend.

The money would be used to build up a complete air naval and ground battle group and equip the troops accordingly with weapons ammo training bases infrastructure IT whatever---the number is just not to fund pakistan's coffers.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hi,

I request young men to think with their brains and not otherwise---.

Once the saudis / gcc made request for troops---it would not be their choice to say how many---it would be pak military's choice to say what is needed---

It would certainly be their choice !

That's the reason they formed a coalition and didn't just hire another country's entire military to do their dirty job!

Then it was not only saudia that needed troops---it was the emirate---oman---muscat---Bahrain---Qatar---Jordan---all of them---.

Muscat is omans capital and they are hardly involved in the war and already employ Pak nationals!

Bahrain is a small country which can't deal with its internal security and employs Pakistanis in their mil and LEAs... apart from asking Saudis for help.

Qatar and KSA have issues and it's not part of he coalition.

Neither is Jordan sending its troops...

Neither will any pay you for anything...

Coming back to UAE... i hope you realise that UAEs military was built ground up by Pakistan... how much "mulla" did they give Pak?

Pak still have a few thousand soldiers in KSA, and in other GCC states...

They can say what they want---but it is your pitch that count counts---. Those countries were in a panic at that time---truly scared of the Iranian & isis encroachment and threat---they were desperate---desperate people pay a lot of money not to be desperate.

It's soldiers we are talking about not vehicles or market products.

And no they weren't so desperate or scared of Iran, not when they can simply ask NATO for help (which is already stationed in most of those countries).

They wanted troops to fight and die for them in Yemen, coz lazy,comfort loving soldiers,undisciplined troops don't have an appetite for war...

As well as trying to project it as a Sunni block vs Shias... due to their proxy wars.

The weapons would be placed in the region and maintained in that region---in the 90's---there was no terrorist threat of any kind---so the pak troops were paid the wages under those conditions---.

In the 90s, they had PLO type organisations and a war mongering Saddam threatening their borders !!

This time the threat was for the very existence of gcc---iran playing a proxy on one side---isis from the other---.

And the Arabs are innocent ? lol .. between where do you think FSA,Al nusra,Daesh get their funds from?

The matter of funding can be debatable but it is meaningless---. If not 30---then maybe 25---if not that then maybe 15-20---but whatever the amount would have been---it would have been substantial.

We have a national army, not a mercenary force, ready to fight for the highest bidder,getting stuck in secterian proxy wars and conflicts ..

And if you didn't notice, we are running a tight shift, reason they had to raise new companies at PMA!

I mean to say---sitting on your ar-se and making all kinds of excuses is a standard pakistani excuse.

And being Shiekh chilli or mullah naseerudin as well.

I don't know in what lala land you have lived in---the british empire was built like that---the american empire was built like that---. The americans had nothing to do in the 2nd world war but once it got in---the face and shape of the united states changed forever---.



The face of spain changed for 700 years and the look of the islamic empire as well when Zengi was in a desperate situation and asked Salahuddin to come help him against the crusaders.

Funny, how you think those empires were created by fighting as mercenaries and creating more enemies than needed.

No... they weren't !

Not a single empire was built fighting foreign wars which were against their national interests as mercs.

The allied forces joined hands with enemy russia to defeat germany---.

What ?

The allies actually helped Russia with their lend lease and other programs ... and Germany was a common enemy threatening the allied nations...

Neither Germany nor any allied country became a super power by fighting as mercs.

Else the subcontinent would have been a powerhouse aswell.

If the enemy has created panic---then you also have to pour oil on the fire to burn a little hotter so that they can understand your point of view---.

A smart man, doesn't fight for others and avoids useless fights.

You don't put fuel on fire, which is burning in your neighbourhood.. else you risk getting your own house destroyed.

Look at the americans---they have run away with a 100 billion dollars deal just from saudia---and that can increase into 350 billion dollar deal---and not counting---the money the the emirates---qatar---bahrain---Oman---Muscat would spend.

Yeah coz they offer things Pakistan can't!
Advanced weapons,diplomatic support of a super power... against a common perceived enemy.

The money would be used to build up a complete air naval and ground battle group and equip the troops accordingly with weapons ammo training bases infrastructure IT whatever---the number is just not to fund pakistan's coffers.

How many billion have they paid to poor states already in the so-called coalition ?
Had it been a free for all, countries like Indonesia,Turkey would have been in on it too... everybody wants a slice of the pie.. if it's that delicious as you think it is.


You are imaging scenarios like a salesperson, as if you are selling the latest mustang to a dumb Bedouin with a pot of gold and no sense on how to use it.

 

[MastanKhan]

It would certainly be their choice !

That's the reason they formed a coalition and didn't just hire another country's entire military to do their dirty job!




Muscat is omans capital and they are hardly involved in the war and already employ Pak nationals!

Bahrain is a small country which can't deal with its internal security and employs Pakistanis in their mil and LEAs... apart from asking Saudis for help.

Qatar and KSA have issues and it's not part of he coalition.

Neither is Jordan sending its troops...

Neither will any pay you for anything...

Coming back to UAE... i hope you realise that UAEs military was built ground up by Pakistan... how much "mulla" did they give Pak?

Pak still have a few thousand soldiers in KSA, and in other GCC states...



It's soldiers we are talking about not vehicles or market products.

And no they weren't so desperate or scared of Iran, not when they can simply ask NATO for help (which is already stationed in most of those countries).

They wanted troops to fight and die for them in Yemen, coz lazy,comfort loving soldiers,undisciplined troops don't have an appetite for war...

As well as trying to project it as a Sunni block vs Shias... due to their proxy wars.






In the 90s, they had PLO type organisations and a war mongering Saddam threatening their borders !!





And the Arabs are innocent ? lol .. between where do you think FSA,Al nusra,Daesh get their funds from?



We have a national army, not a mercenary force, ready to fight for the highest bidder,getting stuck in secterian proxy wars and conflicts ..

And if you didn't notice, we are running a tight shift, reason they had to raise new companies at PMA!



And being Shiekh chilli or mullah naseerudin as well.


Funny, how you think those empires were created by fighting as mercenaries and creating more enemies than needed.

No... they weren't !


What ?

The allies actually helped Russia with their lend lease and other programs ... and Germany was a common enemy threatening the allied nations...

Neither Germany nor any allied country became a super power by fighting as mercs.

Else the subcontinent would have been a powerhouse aswell.





A smart man, doesn't fight for others and avoids useless fights.

You don't put fuel on fire, which is burning in your neighbourhood.. else you risk getting your own house destroyed.



Yeah coz they offer things Pakistan can't!
Advanced weapons,diplomatic support of a super power... against a common perceived enemy.



How many billion have they paid to poor states already in the so-called coalition ?
Had it been a free for all, countries like Indonesia,Turkey would have been in on it too... everybody wants a slice of the pie.. if it's that delicious as you think it is.


You are imaging scenarios like a salesperson, as if you are selling the latest mustang to a dumb Bedouin with a pot of gold and no sense on how to use it.

Hi,

If you run piggy back on my comments---it means that you don't have the ability to have your own say or comments---and you are totally dependent on what I say to respond---.

Right now---that is what your answers are like---they have no rhythm or rhyme---no sense of reasoning.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hi,

If you run piggy back on my comments---it means that you don't have the ability to have your own say or comments---and you are totally dependent on what I say to respond---.

Right now---that is what your answers are like---they have no rhythm or rhyme---no sense of reasoning.

If responding to you is piggy backing.

Than I wonder why ranting the same thing over and over and over is?

I respect you ... and I've kept mum most of the time due to that very fact.

But frankly sir, it's getting ridiculous.

You seem to think Paks selling cotton candy to 4 year old Arab kids with a lot of pocket money.

You don't realise the strategic implications nor realities.

Stuck on imagined billions upon billion of dollars up for grabs.

No sense of reasoning?

Wait bro, check out your examples... WWII,Russia ? Empires being built on hand me downs and mercenaries?

Come on, give it a break.

 

[MastanKhan]

If responding to you is piggy backing.

Than I wonder why ranting the same thing over and over and over is?

I respect you ... and I've kept mum most of the time due to that very fact.

But frankly sir, it's getting ridiculous.

You seem to think Paks selling cotton candy to 4 year old Arab kids with a lot of pocket money.

You don't realise the strategic implications nor realities.

Stuck on imagined billions upon billion of dollars up for grabs.

No sense of reasoning?

Wait bro, check out your examples... WWII,Russia ? Empires being built on hand me downs and mercenaries?

Come on, give it a break.

Hi,

It was not cotton candy and they were not 4 years old kids---.

The issue was so deathly serious for them---that when the envoy from the second country came to talk---he literally threatened to cut all connections to pakistan---which meant---that for them---the issue was of no ordinary situation---but rather extra ordinary---to have taken that step---.

See---your comments mean not much---the reply I got back from the highest authority was that they fckd up---. Young man---your analysis don't even count---and I am not being rude and disrespectful. catching Kalbhoshan and iran involvement have opened their eyes---for how long---I don't know.

The nawabs and maharajas opened up their treasures to the british to keep them in power---.

And if you had read the history---the Mayan King when he got caught---to save his life---he gave up all his gold and treasures to the conquistadoras and yet they killed him.

The governor of Otrar---to save his life---promised all kinds of silver to Genghis Khan---the Khan asked what do you have---he had a room full of silver---the Khan said let me show you the silver---made the governor walk thry his camp site and asked his soldiers to take the covers off their wagons---there were thousands and thousands of wagons laid full of silver.

Then Ghengis turned around and ordered to melt the silver and pour it down the throat of the governor.

The Sultan of Baghdad promised to give all his treasures to Helagu Khan to save his life---Helagu agreed---once he got all the treasures---he executed the Sultan and all the princes were distributed amongst the soldiers.

Desperate people do desperate things---desperate nations do desperate things---.

Here is one thing I would suggest to you---you are a full blooded pakistani---so here is what you should do----what ever your thoughts and decisions are about the world and the country----just do and think the opposite---why---because almost---almost---everything that pak has done in the many decades has been a failure---.

So---for awhile---if you young people just act and think the opposite from your natural thinking---you might see something different.

If responding to you is piggy backing.

Than I wonder why ranting the same thing over and over and over is?

I respect you ... and I've kept mum most of the time due to that very fact.

But frankly sir, it's getting ridiculous.

You seem to think Paks selling cotton candy to 4 year old Arab kids with a lot of pocket money.

You don't realise the strategic implications nor realities.

Stuck on imagined billions upon billion of dollars up for grabs.

No sense of reasoning?

Wait bro, check out your examples... WWII,Russia ? Empires being built on hand me downs and mercenaries?

Come on, give it a break.

Hi,

It was not cotton candy and they were not 4 years old kids---.

The issue was so deathly serious for them---that when the envoy from the second country came to talk---he literally threatened to cut all connections to pakistan---which meant---that for them---the issue was of no ordinary situation---but rather extra ordinary---to have taken that step---.

See---your comments mean not much---the reply I got back from the highest authority was that they fckd up---. Young man---your analysis don't even count---and I am not being rude and disrespectful. catching Kalbhoshan and iran involvement have opened their eyes---for how long---I don't know.

The nawabs and maharajas opened up their treasures to the british to keep them in power---.

And if you had read the history---the Mayan King when he got caught---to save his life---he gave up all his gold and treasures to the conquistadoras and yet they killed him.

The governor of Otrar---to save his life---promised all kinds of silver to Genghis Khan---the Khan asked what do you have---he had a room full of silver---the Khan said let me show you the silver---made the governor walk thry his camp site and asked his soldiers to take the covers off their wagons---there were thousands and thousands of wagons laid full of silver.

Then Ghengis turned around and ordered to melt the silver and pour it down the throat of the governor.

The Sultan of Baghdad promised to give all his treasures to Helagu Khan to save his life---Helagu agreed---once he got all the treasures---he executed the Sultan and all the princes were distributed amongst the soldiers.

Desperate people do desperate things---desperate nations do desperate things---.

Here is one thing I would suggest to you---you are a full blooded pakistani---so here is what you should do----what ever your thoughts and decisions are about the world and the country----just do and think the opposite---why---because almost---almost---everything that pak has done in the many decades has been a failure---.

So---for awhile---if you young people just act and think the opposite from your natural thinking---you might see something different.

 

[F86 Saber]

Hi,

So another one wants to start this " for hire " . Stop this B S about " for hire : SOB STORY.

What are you doing at the UN ---how many for hire pak military is at UN.

Read up on the history---all militaries are " for hire " one time or another---.

This alliance was to get pakistan ready for the coming war in the next 5 to 10 years---when Iran would get stronger with conventional weapons.

Zengi made a pact with Salahuddin---he asked Salahuddin to come help him when the crusaders were attacking his capitol---was Salahuddin's army a for hire army---.

How about Tariq Bin Ziyyad's army going to spain---.

To me---you or anyone else who mentions that pak military is not for hire---sounds like a traitor of pakistan to me---.

Because doing that---you have kept the military weaker---because if gone to Yemen---the numbers of military would have increased by around 150000---add the extra equipment---and look at its location on a map---what a power position to be in---just completely neutralized the primary enemy.

Plus total control of jobs in GCC by being in the most dominant position---a job creation of at least 2--3 million people in pakistan---.

Only the TRUE ENEMY of PAKISTAN would have been against this alliance.

The examples you have given are completely irrelevant, being the son of a historian i can say with authority. KSA wants us to be a part of their sectarian war and in doing so has no problem sitting in the lap of America and Israel. Reminiscent of the fall of Baghdad and the Abbasi Caliphate at the hands of Hulaku Khan, KSA is pegging Sunni against Shia again not remembering that Hulaku in the end did not spare anyone.

It is just your delusion thinking that the Arabs would allow Pakistan to take a power position in GCC, if UAE doesn't remember what Pakistan did for them and gives more importance to Indians, than do you expect that they would have treated us any differently had we saved their a$$es in Yemen? No, because you don't respect the poor security guard who lives off your crumbs even though he protects you.

 

[wiseone2]

The examples you have given are completely irrelevant, being the son of a historian i can say with authority. KSA wants us to be a part of their sectarian war and in doing so has no problem sitting in the lap of America and Israel. Reminiscent of the fall of Baghdad and the Abbasi Caliphate at the hands of Hulaku Khan, KSA is pegging Sunni against Shia again not remembering that Hulaku in the end did not spare anyone.

It is just your delusion thinking that the Arabs would allow Pakistan to take a power position in GCC, if UAE doesn't remember what Pakistan did for them and gives more importance to Indians, than do you expect that they would have treated us any differently had we saved their a$$es in Yemen? No, because you don't respect the poor security guard who lives off your crumbs even though he protects you.

In reality the GCC states have the financial ability to diversify their security detail. Pakistanis are cheapest. That is why they keep hiring you. I do not mean it in a negative sense.

 

[MastanKhan]

The examples you have given are completely irrelevant, being the son of a historian i can say with authority. KSA wants us to be a part of their sectarian war and in doing so has no problem sitting in the lap of America and Israel. Reminiscent of the fall of Baghdad and the Abbasi Caliphate at the hands of Hulaku Khan, KSA is pegging Sunni against Shia again not remembering that Hulaku in the end did not spare anyone.

It is just your delusion thinking that the Arabs would allow Pakistan to take a power position in GCC, if UAE doesn't remember what Pakistan did for them and gives more importance to Indians, than do you expect that they would have treated us any differently had we saved their a$$es in Yemen? No, because you don't respect the poor security guard who lives off your crumbs even though he protects you.

Hi,

Off course---pakistan will be a part of the war---sooner or later---. The world does not live on the principal---" we don't bother anyone---so no one bother us "---.

The relevance of the example is to show what people do in desperate---life threatening situations---that is what the relevance is and I did not say anything different.

And it is the other way around---the emirates has done a lots of tactical stuff for pakistan in the 90's that many a friendly nation won't---.

The problem is not with my delusions---the problem is with the pakistani beggar mindset that they might be in the security guard position---otherwise---the situation was ready and ripe for pakistan to take charge.

It is upto you the pakistani to act as a poor security guard---or be in the position of power---.

 

[F86 Saber]

In reality the GCC states have the financial ability to diversify their security detail. Pakistanis are cheapest. That is why they keep hiring you. I do not mean it in a negative sense.

That is compete BS, till the time of Shah Faisal and Shaikh Zaid, Pakistan and Pakistanis were treated with respect. It is their later generations who became hi on money and started thinking of themselves as superior.

 

[wiseone2]

That is compete BS, till the time of Shah Faisal and Shaikh Zaid, Pakistan and Pakistanis were treated with respect. It is their later generations who became hi on money and started thinking of themselves as superior.

I am explaining things as of today. When Faisal was the Saudi king oil was $10 per barrel

 

[F86 Saber]

Hi,

Off course---pakistan will be a part of the war---sooner or later---. The world does not live on the principal---" we don't bother anyone---so no one bother us "---.

The relevance of the example is to show what people do in desperate---life threatening situations---that is what the relevance is and I did not say anything different.

And it is the other way around---the emirates has done a lots of tactical stuff for pakistan in the 90's that many a friendly nation won't---.

The problem is not with my delusions---the problem is with the pakistani beggar mindset that they might be in the security guard position---otherwise---the situation was ready and ripe for pakistan to take charge.

It is upto you the pakistani to act as a poor security guard---or be in the position of power---.

Doesn't it all sound familiar? "Fight our war and we will give you the latest arms, coalition support fund and all the soft loans you want" How did that story end?

Pakistan will not be a part of this war if it chooses so, just like how we stayed out of Yemen. Iran is a Muslim state, they should be more important to us because they are our neighbors and we should stay out of, in fact, oppose any action against them just because they have a slightly different set of beliefs. Instead of taking temporary advantage of the situation, Pakistan should play its part in trying to unite the Muslim world.

The Hulaku Khan example i gave was relevant here, because when Muslims are weak after fighting each other, the "Mongols" will slaughter us without sectarian divide.

I am explaining things as of today. When Faisal was the Saudi king oil was $10 per barrel

So when have the Arabs hired Pakistan Army for their cause recently?

 

[MastanKhan]

Doesn't it all sound familiar? "Fight our war and we will give you the latest arms, coalition support fund and all the soft loans you want" How did that story end?

Pakistan will not be a part of this war if it chooses so, just like how we stayed out of Yemen. Iran is a Muslim state, they should be more important to us because they are our neighbors and we should stay out of, in fact, oppose any action against them just because they have a slightly different set of beliefs. Instead of taking temporary advantage of the situation, Pakistan should play its part in trying to unite the Muslim world.

The Hulaku Khan example i gave was relevant here, because when Muslims are weak after fighting each other, the "Mongols" will slaughter us without sectarian divide.



So when have the Arabs hired Pakistan Army for their cause recently?

Hi,

Muslims were not weak fighting the mongols---you have poor history knowledge---the muslims took the mongols for granted and did not prepare hard and strong---. The muslims lost due to poor tactics---.

I don't give a diddley about iran being a muslim state---it is an enemy state of pakistan---and will remain an enemy state of pakistan---.

It sent troops to the baluchistan border waiting for india to break thru in 1965 so that they could capture baluchistan.

1977-78---one iranian nuclear scientist says to a pakistani nuclear scientist who is on deputation to build a nuc reactor in iran---" when we build the bomb---the first country we will use it on would be pakistan "---.

 

[wiseone2]

Doesn't it all sound familiar? "Fight our war and we will give you the latest arms, coalition support fund and all the soft loans you want" How did that story end?

Pakistan will not be a part of this war if it chooses so, just like how we stayed out of Yemen. Iran is a Muslim state, they should be more important to us because they are our neighbors and we should stay out of, in fact, oppose any action against them just because they have a slightly different set of beliefs. Instead of taking temporary advantage of the situation, Pakistan should play its part in trying to unite the Muslim world.

The Hulaku Khan example i gave was relevant here, because when Muslims are weak after fighting each other, the "Mongols" will slaughter us without sectarian divide.



So when have the Arabs hired Pakistan Army for their cause recently?

They had troops in 1990. They tried to get help for the Yemen war