CBU 105 the real threat to our armored columns

[MastanKhan]

Has Iran ever asked Pakistan about anything? Why the fuk we will oblige to Iran?

KSA and Iran are not equal for us. Time to deal with them separately.

Hi,

Exactly---why are we bending over to Iran---. They iranians would lovingly stab pakistan in the back with a smile on their face.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Hi,

Exactly---why are we bending over to Iran---. They iranians would lovingly stab pakistan in the back with a smile on their face.

Pakistanis were total chutiya (extremely sorry for using this word) regarding Iran before Kulbhushan Jadhav saga. Their eyes are opening now. Iranians have some weird fear regarding Gen. Raheel...may be because he openly confronted Iran in Jadhav case and exposed Iran completely in eyes of Pakistanis.

I believe Iranians have come to conclusion that Pakistanis can be easily trapped/fooled through their proxies - in media, or on streets.

The neutrality crap is still high on our media.

 

[Awan68]

Hi,

So another one wants to start this " for hire " . Stop this B S about " for hire : SOB STORY.

What are you doing at the UN ---how many for hire pak military is at UN.

Read up on the history---all militaries are " for hire " one time or another---.

This alliance was to get pakistan ready for the coming war in the next 5 to 10 years---when Iran would get stronger with conventional weapons.

Zengi made a pact with Salahuddin---he asked Salahuddin to come help him when the crusaders were attacking his capitol---was Salahuddin's army a for hire army---.

How about Tariq Bin Ziyyad's army going to spain---.

To me---you or anyone else who mentions that pak military is not for hire---sounds like a traitor of pakistan to me---.

Because doing that---you have kept the military weaker---because if gone to Yemen---the numbers of military would have increased by around 150000---add the extra equipment---and look at its location on a map---what a power position to be in---just completely neutralized the primary enemy.

Plus total control of jobs in GCC by being in the most dominant position---a job creation of at least 2--3 million people in pakistan---.

Only the TRUE ENEMY of PAKISTAN would have been against this alliance.

By their flawed logic, the Us military which has been posted in ksa for decades is for hire and slaves of saudis. Sending a military to foriegn deployment at request of other nations is considered a sign of power projection and influence, alas we let too many iranian stooges in our power circles n hence are paying the price or is there somthing else cooking up behind sealed doors.......time will tel.

 

[The Accountant]

Has Iran ever asked Pakistan about anything? Why the fuk we will oblige to Iran?

KSA and Iran are not equal for us. Time to deal with them separately.

Bro its not about supporting Iran ... i give a f** to them ... its about saving your own a** from mess created by ksa and iran in middle east ... we are already too much ocupied in our own mess, india and afghanistan cant take further burden ... for sometime we have to get out of this game of middle east and have to focus on our own issues ... gone are the days when we are strong enough to establish OIC ... first we need to regain that position ...

 

[MastanKhan]

Bro its not about supporting Iran ... i give a f** to them ... its about saving your own a** from mess created by ksa and iran in middle east ... we are already too much ocupied in our own mess, india and afghanistan cant take further burden ... for sometime we have to get out of this game of middle east and have to focus on our own issues ... gone are the days when we are strong enough to establish OIC ... first we need to regain that position ...

Hi,

It is like a wild fire---burning on dry tinder---far out. You can either launch a pre-emptive---reach farther out and contain it outside of your residence---or ultimately it would come visiting on its own terms and get you---.

That is what I told --- ------. They would not listen---Kalbhoshan Yadev---just literally kicked the ground from under their feet---the lala land they were living on---came crashing down---.

Now they are running confused like a chicken with its head chopped off.

 

[The Accountant]

Hi,

So another one wants to start this " for hire " . Stop this B S about " for hire : SOB STORY.

What are you doing at the UN ---how many for hire pak military is at UN.

Read up on the history---all militaries are " for hire " one time or another---.

This alliance was to get pakistan ready for the coming war in the next 5 to 10 years---when Iran would get stronger with conventional weapons.

Zengi made a pact with Salahuddin---he asked Salahuddin to come help him when the crusaders were attacking his capitol---was Salahuddin's army a for hire army---.

How about Tariq Bin Ziyyad's army going to spain---.

To me---you or anyone else who mentions that pak military is not for hire---sounds like a traitor of pakistan to me---.

Because doing that---you have kept the military weaker---because if gone to Yemen---the numbers of military would have increased by around 150000---add the extra equipment---and look at its location on a map---what a power position to be in---just completely neutralized the primary enemy.

Plus total control of jobs in GCC by being in the most dominant position---a job creation of at least 2--3 million people in pakistan---.

Only the TRUE ENEMY of PAKISTAN would have been against this alliance.

Sir g i respect you but would like to request you to not to make absolute statements as you are calling me enemy of Pakistan ...

Sir havent we paid enough price for getting into afghan war in 80s although at that time we did not had any option but our whole society got destroyed ... sir we are already in too mess at our home we cannot get into further mess ... ksa and Iran are two arrogant kids who dont care for anyone but for themselves ... it is about the arab and persian pride ...

We need to understand this fight will not end and we have to take a back seat as we dont have the capacity and we are not the party to this racial conflict ... we need to get things right at home ... our PM is a thief ... he cant speak a word about KBY and against India ... even Afghanistan is showing us eyes ... our armed forces needs internal consolidation and have to grab sleeping cells and have to fight 4th generation warfare ...

Middle east will not be setelled soon ... they will burn themselves and we for our better good sold take a baack seat as of now ...

Hi,

It is like a wild fire---burning on dry tinder---far out. You can either launch a pre-emptive---reach farther out and contain it outside of your residence---or ultimately it would come visiting on its own terms and get you---.

That is what I told --- ------. They would not listen---Kalbhoshan Yadev---just literally kicked the ground from under their feet---the lala land they were living on---came crashing down---.

Now they are running confused like a chicken with its head chopped off.

Sir as of now we do not have capacity to engage outside ... we are burning from inside not from outside ...

 

[CriticalThought]

Bro its not about supporting Iran ... i give a f** to them ... its about saving your own a** from mess created by ksa and iran in middle east ... we are already too much ocupied in our own mess, india and afghanistan cant take further burden ... for sometime we have to get out of this game of middle east and have to focus on our own issues ... gone are the days when we are strong enough to establish OIC ... first we need to regain that position ...

Basically, this is a trap being laid by foreign powers to embroil Muslim nations in an unwinnable war of attrition and economic degradation. At the end of this conflict, the world would have moved on to reusable energy sources, and then whatever is left of Muslim nations will be beggars in front of foreign masters.

Sir g i respect you but would like to request you to not to make absolute statements as you are calling me enemy of Pakistan ...

Sir havent we paid enough price for getting into afghan war in 80s although at that time we did not had any option but our whole society got destroyed ... sir we are already in too mess at our home we cannot get into further mess ... ksa and Iran are two arrogant kids who dont care for anyone but for themselves ... it is about the arab and persian pride ...

We need to understand this fight will not end and we have to take a back seat as we dont have the capacity and we are not the party to this racial conflict ... we need to get things right at home ... our PM is a thief ... he cant speak a word about KBY and against India ... even Afghanistan is showing us eyes ... our armed forces needs internal consolidation and have to grab sleeping cells and have to fight 4th generation warfare ...

Middle east will not be setelled soon ... they will burn themselves and we for our better good sold take a baack seat as of now ...


Sir as of now we do not have capacity to engage outside ... we are burning from inside not from outside ...

Entering into this conflict will give the excuse India is looking for to attack us from three sides. From Afghanistan, basically it will be the Americans attacking actually. Against such an onslaught, even the Chinese might find it prudence to let the CPEC investment go sour. We need to tread very carefully.

 

[Wolf]

Pre - emptive strike on air bases carrying jaguars.

Heavy armor plating on upper side of tank and barrel.

Long range Sam systems to accompany armored columns.

Close in weapon systems to accompany armored columns.

AD units can fire air burst shells at varying heights close to the possible point of release of cbu 105

Move armored columns with air cover as an SOP

Get our own version operational asap.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir g i respect you but would like to request you to not to make absolute statements as you are calling me enemy of Pakistan ...

Sir havent we paid enough price for getting into afghan war in 80s although at that time we did not had any option but our whole society got destroyed ... sir we are already in too mess at our home we cannot get into further mess ... ksa and Iran are two arrogant kids who dont care for anyone but for themselves ... it is about the arab and persian pride ...

We need to understand this fight will not end and we have to take a back seat as we dont have the capacity and we are not the party to this racial conflict ... we need to get things right at home ... our PM is a thief ... he cant speak a word about KBY and against India ... even Afghanistan is showing us eyes ... our armed forces needs internal consolidation and have to grab sleeping cells and have to fight 4th generation warfare ...

Middle east will not be setelled soon ... they will burn themselves and we for our better good sold take a baack seat as of now ...


Sir as of now we do not have capacity to engage outside ... we are burning from inside not from outside ...

Hi,

Iran is no kid---it is a vicious monster thriving on blood and gore---.

Price of a nation is to continue to fight---it is the screw ups of the pakistanis that they had problems related to the 80's---.

If you had kept them in their designated camps for all those years as the iranians had done---you would have had less of a problem.

It is again the screw ups of the pakistanis that they had problem after 9/11. And they have learnt nothing from it.

I cannot forget cricketer Mohammad Asif's dad comments " jalaan banya ee mardan dey lai ney "---jails are built for men---. Problem are there for men to overcome them and not to hide their heads in sand---and wish they don't show up at your door steps---.

 

[ghazi768]

CBU-105 are deadly against armor as shown in the Gulf War. India and Pakistan have less differential in capabilities compared to USA/Iraq. It means Pakistani army cannot mount attacks with dense SAM cover.


I agree with what you say. But does the Pakistani army and air force have a history of launching well co-ordinated attacks ?



Sending Pakistani army to fight in Yemen for $40 billion for 2.5 years is not worth it
I am not Pakistani to make the decision.

I agree with @MastanKhan , It was a big strategic mistake. Had Pakistan agreed we could have easily used Aden as a military base at the head of Gulf of Aden, a huge strategic advantage in case of war with India. With a couple of squadrons, again financed by GCC and naval task group you can plug it permanently for India in case of hostilities. A bad mistake if not a blunder..

Also it would have resulted in building 2-3 brigades as best and that at the expense of Gulf countries. Plus I think Yemeni President would have been ecstatic, a Pakistani contingent meant that he did not have to worry about usual tribalistic and fractious Arab politics. And for us many military as well as financial advantages.

But I do not think it was Army which disagreed.. it was a sort of a campaign in media, in political circles and in government, I think especially in foreign office, which seem to have made the government balk at it.

 

[MastanKhan]

@Awan68 @The Accountant

" Empires are not built by fearful men. One must be take risks in a high stakes game ". DB

That was the moment to completely neuter india once for all---. 150 k troops in GCC---which meant that at least you would have the spread in multiple locations---a complete strike force---a rapid deployment strike force---with armor---artillery---infantry---aircraft---subs and ships.

It would have taken 5 + years to build to those numbers---but it could have been started by sending 30-40 K troops.

With bases in Yemen, Oman, Muscat, Emirate, Saudia, Jordan, Qatar---pak military would have covered the most strategic part of the gulf tactically---.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

As if everything was so simple?
And saudis would hand u keys to their treasury and port of aden n whatnot.

And the yemenis would welcome u with open arms and iran would salute u and much more good stufff?

Simple minded folks.

 

[H!TchHiker]

@Awan68 @The Accountant

" Empires are not built by fearful men. One must be take risks in a high stakes game ". DB

That was the moment to completely neuter india once for all---. 150 k troops in GCC---which meant that at least you would have the spread in multiple locations---a complete strike force---a rapid deployment strike force---with armor---artillery---infantry---aircraft---subs and ships.

It would have taken 5 + years to build to those numbers---but it could have been started by sending 30-40 K troops.

We are the worst negotiator..whatever you have mentioned in earlier post do you believe GCC had offered those to Pakistan ? I seriously doubt that PA can decline such type of offer ..had that been made

 

[MastanKhan]

We are the worst negotiator..whatever you have mentioned in earlier post do you believe GCC had offered those to Pakistan ? I seriously doubt that PA can decline such type of offer ..had that been made

Hi,

They were literally begging---they were scared sh-itless of the isis at that time.

They put their nations on a platter and asked pakistan to defend them. Only thing that pakistan had to ask was the money---.

I am telling you---I approached the highest authority---they refused to listen to me---I shared with them the game plan---they rejected it---.

Till the moment came of Kalbhoshan Yadev---that is where they got shook up---then they said "barri ghalti ho gai hai---samajh nahin aiyee"---.

And then again Gen Raheel screws up---he becomes head of the fighting force---.

They should have gone back to page one and this time offered pak military assistance as they should have done it the first time---.

But Gen Raheel decided to do it alone----now he is stuck---what is a general without his OWN military to follow---.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Boss i don't think this will work.
Harf-1 will be single warhead solution, adding guidance to it mean getting our self an anti-tank missile. Why not opt for one directly rather than this lengthy route? Harf-1 wont be able to delivery sub munitions to the target area let alone the target vehicles. CBU-105 is unique in a way that it is a bomb that will delivery multiple guided shots to multiple targets. We need some weapon system that can deliver multiple munitions (that is the easy part) and then try to find an easier alternative way to get those sub munitions be as accurate as possible (the tough part ).

You got the wrong idea of what I said...which is to have smaller versions Hafr equipped with IIR seekers. You'd have 10 of these small missiles (I.e. submunitions) packed into a single GB6.