CBU 105 the real threat to our armored columns

[Hell hound]

This is not a stand off system it will be neutralize by MID range SAM before its releasing

but for that to happen there need be a quick response mid range sam in the vicinity which we don't have.
ly 80(which BTW is not a quick response sam) won't be moving into india with the armored thrust and fm 90 don't have the range.

@Hell hound Tor-m2

we don't have it in our inventory

I understand that fact that even the bomblets are guided however I was wondering if the Hajara bomb itself can be easily guided; Pakistan has already done it with REK SOW what's stopping us from doing it with these?

the purpose is not to make the dispenser but the bomblets into guided one.which is not an easy task and need extremely miniaturized guidance tech which no one other USA poses at the moment and even if some one does he has yet to disclose it .

 

[Ultima Thule]

but for that to happen there need be a quick response mid range sam in the vicinity which we don't have.
ly 80(which BTW is not a quick response sam) won't be moving into india with the armored thrust and fm 90 don't have the range.


we don't have it in our inventory


the purpose is not to make the dispenser but the bomblets into guided one.which is not an easy task and need extremely miniaturized guidance tech which no one other USA poses at the moment and even if some one does he has yet to disclose it .

We have SPADA -2000

 

[Hell hound]

We have SPADA -2000

spada is a fixed sam it can't even move

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

This has been a serious threat for armor / truck columns. First time I read about this technology was somewhere in the late 90's---.

And as usual it was in work of fiction that I was reading---fck---most of the stuff that I read in the 80's and 90's is no more fiction but a reality---.

 

[ghazi768]

but for that to happen there need be a quick response mid range sam in the vicinity which we don't have.
ly 80(which BTW is not a quick response sam) won't be moving into india with the armored thrust and fm 90 don't have the range.


we don't have it in our inventory


the purpose is not to make the dispenser but the bomblets into guided one.which is not an easy task and need extremely miniaturized guidance tech which no one other USA poses at the moment and even if some one does he has yet to disclose it .

Are you sure that a fully loaded Jaguar will actually be able to fly at 40,000 feet...

But even if it somehow manages this, this is a terrible idea.. even all ground based radars will be humming on our side and what to talk about BVR capable interceptions even other interceptors will be quite enthusiastic in getting their names in the history books.. and nice Indian flags freshly painted on the side of their aircrafts..

CBU-105 is a threat but mostly probably will be employed by flying much closer than 40,000 feet. Also it "continued use" will depend a lot on how PAF as well as PA AD is able to respond to it.. and this is not something which has not been looked in detail..

 

[SQ8]

They are pretty much relying on AT battalion and SAMs for sure.What's solution in your mind?

Fire every Army officer with a waist of 36 or more and anything less than green on their evaluations

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I understand that fact that even the bomblets are guided however I was wondering if the Hajara bomb itself can be easily guided; Pakistan has already done it with REK SOW what's stopping us from doing it with these?Furthermore does it really matter at the end of the day when tank columns are usually really close to each other?

I have a feeling this weapon can only be used if india gains air superiority, which is nowhere near guaranteed.

The CBU-105's value stems from the BLU-108 (guided bomblets). If Pakistan can't emulate this then Pakistan won't have an analogous solution. Yes, it can make the carrier guided, but guided top-attack strikes (via the skeets) raises the kill probability by a large margin by ensuring the tank-proper is hit - bomblets might miss the mark or simply hit the tracks.

Many Pakistani tankers are going to meet their maker thanks to this weapon. However, most Pakistani tankers and their associated leaders probably have zero idea on what it exactly is. The going phrase being "Our JF-17 will take care of it"

Fortunately for them, the PAF is aware of this problem and has been trying to acquire an analogous solution. In 2008-2009 Pakistan signed an MoU with Turkey to collaborate on guided bomblets. Unfortunately, we haven't seen an outcome from either side (or even China), which clearly indicates how difficult it is to come up with a BLU-108-like solution. In fact, it seems that BLU-108 is one of a kind.

For now our only hope is for Textron, which is the BLU-108/CBU-105 OEM, to get approvals for its loyal customer Pakistan (i.e. AH-1Z, King Air, Caravan EX and T206H).

Besides a matching capability in the PAF the Army needs it own SPYDER-like solution - i.e. a 5th-gen AAM converted into a SAM (with its thrust-vectoring and IIR seeker) and an active radar-homing SAM (based on an BVRAAM). Ensure they are mobile and quick-to-fire after stopping. Even if the target acquisition radar is turned-off (due to SEAD/DEAD threat), at least the missiles (via their terminal stage seekers) can function, albeit at lesser range. One way to get around this issue is to enable those SAMs to link-up with long-range radars positioned away from the combat area.

 

[C130]

I'd be worried about Swedish BONUS if India get's them for their M777 as well

going to need some kinda camouflage netting for your tanks and AFV.

 

[MastanKhan]

I understand that fact that even the bomblets are guided however I was wondering if the Hajara bomb itself can be easily guided; Pakistan has already done it with REK SOW what's stopping us from doing it with these?Furthermore does it really matter at the end of the day when tank columns are usually really close to each other?

I have a feeling this weapon can only be used if india gains air superiority, which is nowhere near guaranteed.

Son,

Get you head out of ---it is about time.

@MastanKhan

Hi,

For how long have I warned about attaining conventional strength?

We have SPADA -2000

Hi,

It is a piece of sh-it missile system---there were far advanced systems available from china when this was procured.

 

[war&peace]

There are two parts: (1) the PAF needs its own equivalent to the CBU-105 and (2) short-to-medium range SAMs with terminal-stage active seekers and the ability to receive mid-course guidance from a radar that doesn't belong to its unit. In terms (2) I'm not sure where the industry stands in having that capability, but the idea is that in case your own SAM unit has to switch-off radar (e.g. SEAD/DEAD threat), you could pass the detection and guidance work to another (and safely positioned) radar.

An indigineous verson of CBU-105 is underdevelopment and it may soon be deployed or may have already been deployed. Its testing stared before 2008 and they had some techincal difficults but I think they have overcome those by now.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Son,

Get you head out of your arse---it is about time.



Hi,

For how long have I warned about attaining conventional strength?



Hi,

It is a piece of sh-it missile system---there were far advanced systems available from china when this was procured.

Just asking questions. Never knew it was a crime. If I'm wrong about something then please correct me. Much appreciated!

 

[sparten]

An indigineous verson of CBU-105 is underdevelopment and it may soon be deployed or may be already been deployed. Its testing stared before 2008 and they had some techincal difficults but I think they have overcome those by now.

Some more information would be nice.

 

[war&peace]

Some more information would be nice.

I know but I would wait for them to make it public. However the problem they had was the deployment of the dragchutes on the individual bomblets after opening of the canister and their mutually collisions .

This was the part that someone modelled, simulated and solved. The rest I have no clue
Just watch the video below to enjoy and appreciate. Though it is not the video of that particular weapon but it will give you some idea and what's part of weapons's integration also @MastanKhan you may find it interesting too. The technical name for this is store release and it involves both "physical modelling & simulation" and flight testing.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Hi,

For how long have I warned about attaining conventional strength?

Since days of def.org.

 

[MastanKhan]

Since days of def.org.

Hi,

Look at Gen Raheel---

So---tell me who is the real enemy of pakistan---Nawaz or Gen Raheel---. Nawaz wanted to send army to GCC---Gen Raheel refused---.

Do you think that pakistan's military could have used 40--50 billion dollars of funds in 2 1/2 years.

Just imagine how strong your grip would be in GCC and in your own region.