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[Nefer]

This is simply not true, dishonesty is a characteristics of a person, it isnt bound to a ideology.

I said Groups not Ideology, dishonesty is a characteristic yes, but its something which is influenced by the people among you, if you are among honest hardworking people, you try to be like them.

 

[Targon]

But you are clearly making a religous/non religious difference, it isn't any different from ideology.

 

[T-123456]

Getting this quote from a different thread, so we don't continue that discussion there



From the Turkish locals I hear the following happened, First the people from the European nations came, and selected people from which the government presented, which were people who had City culture and expertise they were okey with those, But later on when 1980s and stuff happend alot of Leftist people fled Turkey because, well we Turks all know why, to european nations and man What they didn't do to exploit the people.

Netherlands wasn't a ally in ww1 but was neutral and in ww2 they were captured by nazi germany

Germans on the hand were allies in ww1, but that was because of the young turks and they germans weren't thinking that great of either.


Also these Leftist Turks in the Netherlands which were trying to get their sugar levels up so they could get a docters paper which declared them unfit to work and than get a loan from the government because they are socialist, and there are many different things which were done, which hurted our image, Do you honestly think Turks with Islamic values would do that.



Yes..



3 Million turks atm and 750k turks is quite a big number :/

Well then you need some history lessons:yes sure they were peasants(my father is one of them),but how did you come up with that dishonest,arrogant etc bs.
They were hard warking honest(what crimes can you learn in a village,steal a hen?)simple people.
Their world consisted of going to work,after work coming home dinner sleep(weekends,sit with the others cook together and talk about the homeland) and the same thing again and again every day untill the hollidays every year so that they could bring their savings to Turkiye.
Later,many brought their wives and children because life(financial,education) here was better,Turks adapted very well to the Dutch society,the children went to school,there were very little frictions between the Dutch and Turks.
Dutch about Turks:Hard workers,businessmen/women(Turks only think about opening a small business),no extremists,they mind their own business.
From the 1980s many political and economic asylum seekers came together with ''tourists''(illegal immigrants coming with a tourist visa or by illegal means),these people(not all) caused many problems with their attitudes and actions(the Turkish youth started copying this attitude,many left school because of the fact that many parents were working and there was little controll and monitoring by an adult).
Even now Turks are favored over Morrocons(most immigrants),Dutch antilles(Islanders from the former Dutch colonies).
Dont want to write a whole story but you have a very negative attitude against your countrymen here in Holland,what are you a Turkish aristocrat or from royal descendent or something?

 

[Nefer]

Well then you need some history lessons:yes sure they were peasants(my father is one of them),but how did you come up with that dishonest,arrogant etc bs.
They were hard warking honest(what crimes can you learn in a village,steal a hen?)simple people.
Their world consisted of going to work,after work coming home dinner sleep(weekends,sit with the others cook together and talk about the homeland) and the same thing again and again every day untill the hollidays every year so that they could bring their savings to Turkiye.
Later,many brought their wives and children because life(financial,education) here was better,Turks adapted very well to the Dutch society,the children went to school,there were very little frictions between the Dutch and Turks.
Dutch about Turks:Hard workers,businessmen/women(Turks only think about opening a small business),no extremists,they mind their own business.
From the 1980s many political and economic asylum seekers came together with ''tourists''(illegal immigrants coming with a tourist visa or by illegal means),these people(not all) caused many problems with their attitudes and actions(the Turkish youth started copying this attitude,many left school because of the fact that many parents were working and there was little controll and monitoring by an adult).
Even now Turks are favored over Morrocons(most immigrants),Dutch antilles(Islanders from the former Dutch colonies).
Dont want to write a whole story but you have a very negative attitude against your countrymen here in Holland,what are you a Turkish aristocrat or from royal descendent or something?

I am TELLING THE SAME THING. I was explicitly talking about the leftist Turks, you know the kind which made all the soviet propaganda but than all fled towards europe.

I have contacts with turks arround the netherlands, But they all feel the indirect alianation, Fine in business but it stays there.

Dunno about the Turks are favored part, though they see morrocons more viable in the long term because they are easier to assimilate

 

[xenon54 out]

I am TELLING THE SAME THING. I was explicitly talking about the leftist Turks, you know the kind which made all the soviet propaganda but than all fled towards europe

How about you just stop generalizing? Seriously how old are you?

 

[T-123456]

I am TELLING THE SAME THING. I was explicitly talking about the leftist Turks, you know the kind which made all the soviet propaganda but than all fled towards europe.

I have contacts with turks arround the netherlands, But they all feel the indirect alianation, Fine in business but it stays there.

Dunno about the Turks are favored part, though they see morrocons more viable in the long term because they are easier to assimilate

What is a leftist,just name them,do you mean Dev-sol or PKK?

 

[Nefer]

Dev-sol, I don't consider PKK one of us, they are a different breed.

The newer generation of dev-sol do seem to well integrate though, but the ones which came first...

 

[T-123456]

Dev-sol, I don't consider PKK one of us, they are a different breed.

The newer generation of dev-sol do seem to well integrate though, but the ones which came first...

And which political party do you support?

 

[Nefer]

And which political party do you support?

Netherlands - none, they never keep their word, Supporting Turkish individuals in parties which can defend our rights.
Turkey - AKP, because the alternative,

 

[T-123456]

Netherlands - none, they never keep their word
Turkey - AKP, because the alternative,

There are maybe 100 Dev-Sol members in Holland and you are making a big drama out of it.
Your beef is with the CHP supporters,Kemalists,and since you mentioned Dev-Sol i think you mean Atheist,infact you are against all but AKP.
Honesty is important in life,why not just say that you are ''blinded by the light''(AKP bulb) and all others are wrong.
Im sure you are very young and only repeating what your ''abiler'' from the AKP told you about the ''Leftists'',because its ridiculous that you come up with Dev-Sol,there is no Dev-Sol(100 members maybe maybe or maybe).
Try to interact with the AKP supporters here and see what a mature discussion is with proven facts,they(most)know what they are talking about.
Learn from them what politics is about so that you gain some knowledge about us Turks (all of us).
Ill help you out and mention the one im sure of that he is a AKP supporter.
@olcayto ,bi el atarsin artik.
I dont know who else to mention,if someone can help out and mention the others @Kaan ?

 

[-SINAN-]

Another politic fight coming.....i'm not gonna be part of the fight this time.

 

[Nefer]

There are maybe 100 Dev-Sol members in Holland and you are making a big drama out of it.
Your beef is with the CHP supporters,Kemalists,and since you mentioned Dev-Sol i think you mean Atheist,infact you are against all but AKP.
Honesty is important in life,why not just say that you are ''blinded by the light''(AKP bulb) and all others are wrong.
Im sure you are very young and only repeating what your ''abiler'' from the AKP told you about the ''Leftists'',because its ridiculous that you come up with Dev-Sol,there is no Dev-Sol(100 members maybe maybe or maybe).
Try to interact with the AKP supporters here and see what a mature discussion is with proven facts,they(most)know what they are talking about.
Learn from them what politics is about so that you gain some knowledge about us Turks (all of us).
Ill help you out and mention the one im sure of that he is a AKP supporter.
@olcayto ,bi el atarsin artik.
I dont know who else to mention,if someone can help out and mention the others @Kaan ?

You know as good as I that when you mentioned dev-sol we were talking about all the illegals which came with them, they are not just a 100, and its because of those things which they started that other non illegals also tried the same thing out to get free money. Let also me remind you when those taksim ruckuss was happening, here in Amsterdam those groups verbally attacked and tried to physical attack those who were wearing a headscarf in the City Center.

And since you are referring me as a indoctrinated AKP fanatic basicly, I ask you how much are you aware of the last 100 years of our nation and stuff we went trough and by what right do you hold the right allege me as someone who doesn't know what pain and suffering our people went trough. Don't fool me with the kind who take orders of other people, I have cut all ties with people who tried to use me as a footsoldier.

Unlike what you are alleging I am capable of independent thinking even If I am rough on the conclusions I am pulling. You honestly have upset me for just because I support the AKP you basicly labelled me as indroctinated foot soldier, THANK YOU

 

[T-123456]

You know as good as I that when you mentioned dev-sol we were talking about all the illegals which came with them, they are not just a 100, and its because of those things which they started that other non illegals also tried the same thing out to get free money. Let also me remind you when those taksim ruckuss was happening, here in Amsterdam those groups verbally attacked and tried to physical attack those who were wearing a headscarf in the City Center.

And since you are referring me as a indoctrinated AKP fanatic basicly, I ask you how much are you aware of the last 100 years of our nation and stuff we went trough and by what right do you hold the right allege me as someone who doesn't know what pain and suffering our people went trough. Don't fool me with the kind who take orders of other people, I have cut all ties with people who tried to use me as a footsoldier.

Unlike what you are alleging I am capable of independent thinking even If I am rough on the conclusions I am pulling. You honestly have upset me for just because I support the AKP you basicly labelled me as indroctinated foot soldier, THANK YOU

So,by your comments/posts untill now,you expect me to have another view on you?
I didnt want to upset you,it was never my intention but come on ask yourself why would someone tell you all this,just to upset you?
We are not here to upset each other,we are all together as one,we all have different opinions on things but maybe you should try a different approach,maybe observe a bit before making such statements so that people dont get wrong ideas about you.
Btw, there are no Dev-Sol members here as far as i know.
Niemand wil je hier beledigen of je gevoelens pijn doen,maar je hebt hele rare percepties over de politieke affiliatie van Turken in Nederland.
De linkse waar jij het over hebt bestaan niet in die hoeveelheden die je noemt,er zullen altijd een paar gekken domme rare dingen doen maar het is nooit noemenswaardig.
Maak je geen zorgen,alles komt goed en nogmaals sorry als ik je gevoelens heb pijn gedaan.

 

[Targon]

I think some people has no right to complain about being victims, when at some parts of country your life is in danger if you declare you are non religious.

Da hell

 

[Hakan]

Guys lets not go into politics. No need to mess up the thread. People come here to relax not to have to come up with arguments.