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Creating thread to discuss a Social issue common to the region.
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SPARE NO POLITICAL OR ETHNIC BOUNDARIES BUT DO NOT CROSS RELIGIOUS ONES

Starting with this piece.

Poll of Delhi Men: What Causes Rape

By WSJ Staff.

January 29, 2013, 2:44 PM

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A month ago, a young Indian woman died in a Singapore hospital from injuries sustained in a brutal attack on a bus in New Delhi. The woman had been raped and tortured by a group of men out for what police described as a “joyride.”

In the wake of the assault, which set off a national discussion on sexual violence against women in India, male politicians suggested a range of reasons for such attacks.

Explanations included short skirts and Westernization (prior to the attack, one politician had suggested the consumption of chow mein and pizza was to blame), as well as Bollywood and dating . (The frequent focus on women’s behavior as a cause of rape is of course not restricted to India.) After voicing these opinions, many of these leaders came in for flak, including most recently from Sonia Gandhi.

Still, we wondered if these were viewpoints that many Indian men share, so we conducted our own (admittedly unscientific) survey of 100 men in different parts of Delhi and Noida. We polled men in different income groups and professions, from rickshaw-pullers to a momo-seller and property dealer, as well as a government employee and army colonel. Our respondents ranged in monthly income from a few thousand rupees to 100,000 rupees ($1,850).

And while we asked just the one question (see below), and offered a choice of five responses, we made sure to vary the order in which the answers were offered each time we asked the question.

Unlike many politicians, the vast majority of the men we questioned – over two-thirds — blamed poor law enforcement and policing, as well as a lack of respect for women for rape. Of the 100 men polled, 34 blamed gaps in policing and law enforcement, while 33 said lack of respect was the main culprit and that Indians should “change their thinking.”


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“Police should catch hold of the guys who are roaming around. Police should remain on duty,” said an ATM security guard. “I also feel like roaming the market but I don’t because something could happen at any time.”

A dry-cleaner recommended capital punishment and swifter prosecution. “Hang a rapist. Nobody will dare repeat this again. But cases in India drag on for decades. Where is the deterrent?”

A student in South Delhi said “lack of respect” was too mild a way of putting it, adding that the problem is that India has “a patriarchal societal structure or conception, where the non-male is less than a person.”

A 48-year-old army colonel said, “In India, men have always felt women are a commodity to be used. Until and unless this mindset does not change, we cannot progress any further.”

A few men (three) said that lack of respect and poor law enforcement were to blame in equal measure, declining to give one more importance than the other.

However, more than a quarter of respondents (26) blamed Western influences for rape. They saw this as women wearing skimpy clothing, smoking, drinking, and going out at night.

A driver in East Delhi explained, “A man thinks she is smoking, so she must like to drink. If she likes to drink she must be open to sexual activity. She may be 200% good but people will think wrong things,” he said, adding that women’s behavior was being influenced by foreigners who visit or live in India.

An engineer in Noida said, “If women stop wearing skimpy clothes, automatically rapes will stop.”

A third man, who works for a private firm, blamed the “Western MNC culture.”

Two men who chose “other” also appeared to hold women responsible for rape although they didn’t blame Western culture. One, a 22-year-old who works for a private firm, blamed Bollywood for encouraging women to abandon more demure clothing for “net [stockings] and miniskirt.” “When women were wearing sari and salwar kameez, a man could control himself,” he said as he ate lunch in central Delhi.

We conducted our survey at different times. When we pooled our responses we noticed something odd. Our questioners – there were five, three women and two men, with each of us putting the question to 20 men – appeared to be getting very different responses depending on their gender.

Very few men told the three women (who all happened, by coincidence, to be wearing jeans) that “Western influences” are causing rape. Instead, the majority of responses when women asked the question were “poor law enforcement” (23 of 34 responses in this category) and “lack of respect for women” (24 responses of the 31 in this category.)

But the two men conducting the survey were far more frequently told that “Western influences” (19 of the 26 responses in this category) were the reason rapes were occurring, which makes us wonder what the results would have been if all our questioners had been men.
 
Post by member Star Wars

" The fact that western society does influence rapes is partially true, but in no way would that or should be used as a justifiable excuse in any court of law.Any human being or Male who is mentally weak and fails to control his urges , lacks self control and any person who has not been taught empathy or good ethical values by his guardians or parents is more likely to rape a women who wears exposed clothing than a women who wears a Burqa as a women wearing a Burqa shows very less to sexually arouse a person. Please try to understand that i am not blaming western society here, am just stating that certain things can sexually arouse a person and certain things cannot. After that it all depends on self control of that particular individual.


Don't get things wrong...Rapes happen against Men as well and in those cases the consequences are far worse as , The sexual Organ of a man can be injured "due to excessive use" and men in most cases are told to "Man up" or are "Ridiculed" by the society. So lets not be ignorant here ..its a two way process... "
 
The concept of rape has nothing to do with western culture. To blame the west is to look to the same generalized thinking that allows us to stereotype people by color and ethnicity and use it to typify a certain kind of woman. I'd argue, rape has been prevalent since the dawn of man. In the same way murder has been. To combat it requires, not a shunning of western society, but in adopting a couple of their ideals.

Education is the foremost requirement.
It provides a child the opportunity to learn views that aren't necessarily his own; to learn how to think without the narrow minded focus of an illiterate. Critical thinking is the means to stare rape in the face and reject it's very concept. If we are to limit rape, it must be seen as a horrible crime, of course. But to the next generation of men, it must also be unthinkable in the same way murder and thievery is. The reason it is not, is because it is a subject that is avoided and overlooked in the schooling systems and households alike due to its taboo nature. That taboo nature is one of the greatest detriments in solving the problem, as well as facing it head on. Blaming a woman for being raped is no different than blaming a dead person for being murdered. But kids are taught to believe one is wrong, while the other is left open to their interpretation. Ignoring its existence is no less deplorable. To act like it doesn't happen makes society as a whole, guilty by ignorance and arrogance.

Rape, much like other heinous crimes cannot be eradicated, because there will always be a mentally unstable few who commit the many crimes our societies face. This is the reality, but it should not prevent the reduction of this incident to a mere statistical anomaly. If there is to be any improvement, we must stop making excuses for rape. No woman or man for that matter deserves to be physically assaulted. Our subcontinental society must learn to respect women. Not in the crude sense of "mother and sister", because as we have seen that has led nowhere. Simply put, our wives and girlfriends are also someone's sister, daughter and mother, and has that ever crossed anyone's mind? I doubt it. Respect for woman will come automatically when they are considered an equal part of society. Equal in academics, equal in the workplace, and equal in family life. Education is the way forward: exposure to the opposite gender, discussion with the opposite gender and understanding of the opposite gender. Equally important is the willingness of the parents to be able to broach the subject of sexually assault. And for those who suffer from it to open up in front of the world. By being embarrassed by its very idea, South Asian society allows people who commit rape to have a convenient shroud to hide behind.

Crucially, the first article presents the viewpoint of the highly educated as well. They have seen the ability of woman to accomplish everything a man can, yet they still blame women and westernization for the rape. It all comes back to the crux of the problem. It will always be a dual issue; requiring not just education, but a huge turn about in what we value in our culture. Teachers and parents, together, hold the key. The change can only come when the wider region opens its eyes to the assault taking place right in front of them. An assault on the concept of being woman. The ones who can make a change must step forward and assist the wider society in facing the horrible truth.
 
From member Vassanti

20 to 30% of girls are sexualy molested before they are adults depending on which figures you use. 30% of the attackers are family members 60% friends of the family.

Can children be too westernised or dress too sexually these are figures from 65 countries with varying dress standards and moral codes sadly the figures doesnt vary much.

Only 10% of these assults are by people unknown to the victim the 90% by people who were trusted by the family to be alone with their children who didnt rape because the victim smoked or wore jeans or was out late. They were raped because there was an oportunity where the perpertrator thought the chance of being caught was small.

The reason men want to rape are complex the reason they do is simple "can i get away with it" enforcement and prosecution are the key
 
The reason why Delhi Rape case made headlines.

It was already simmering. There were many rape cases in Delhi and Gurgaon. A girl was raped in a mall.
But I have explained earlier why this case has so much impact. Its shock value is too high.
What general people thinks after knowing the conditions of this case

1. Girl was not alone, with her bf. - Now even if the girl is with a man, she is not safe.

2. Crime happened in a public transport bus - Women are not safe in bus, different from other cases where the girl was abducted in a private vehicle like car.

3. New Delhi is supposed to be most secure place in India - What chance does a woman have in rural and small town areas.

4. The brutality involved - It shocked the nation what they did AFTER they raped her.

If you want to understand fear and anger, look at case of serial killers especially in US. Look at case of BTK killer.

A death is a tragedy, a million death is just a statistics.


Also, there are many convictions done but the point is that the punishment is not adequate and the justice system is too slow. Burden of other cases on courts, lack of investigation agencies, too many rapes to handle, police inefficiency etc. etc.

If you look at US, with comparatively less population than India and more advanced labs, more technological advanced police and more density or police, programs like VICAP, registration of sex offenders, presences of Social services for abused children, etc. etc. it is hard for US to control many crimes. Even serial killers can't be caught easily with all these advance labs, centralized systems, etc. You guys have Behavioural Science division in FBI. They train other law agencies. You won't find here.

Also the cases in India are mainly attributed from rural areas and small towns which has even less protection.

But you should also look at the fact that the growing awareness among youth. There are many people who are working for ensuring safety of women.

If you need more info, let me know. There are many factors to take into consideration.
 
@Oscar Many people asking for making this thread open for all. Kindly give it a thought.
 
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Challenges before a State to Control Rapes.

There are many convictions done against Culprits but the point is that the punishment is not adequate and the justice system is too slow. Burden of other cases on courts, lack of investigation agencies, too many rapes to handle, police inefficiency etc. etc.

If one look at US, with comparatively less population than India and
> more advanced labs,
> more technological advanced police
> more density or police,
> programs like VICAP, registration of sex offenders,
> presences of Social services for abused children, etc. etc.

Still, it is hard for US to control many crimes.

Even serial killers can't be caught easily with all these advance labs, centralized systems, etc. US has Behavioural Science division in FBI. They train other law agencies. In India, we have to learn a lot.

Also the cases in India are mainly attributed from rural areas and small towns which has even less protection.

But one should also look at the fact that the growing awareness among youth. There are many people who are working for ensuring safety of women.
 
The important point to note is that rapes, and other heinous crimes, happen in all countries and societies. What is done to actually solve them is what makes them different. Rather than engaging in point-scoring and one-upmanship, I hope we can concentrate on proving better solutions.
 

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