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CATIC targets 300 JF-17 sales in five years

and thats why L-15 hasnt gotten any order..but F-7 and K-8 sold really well

AVIC Hongdu provides 12 L-15 trainers for CATIC - China Defense Mashup

2012-11-13 — AVIC Hongdu has entered into a deal to supply the China National Aero Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) with 12 L-15 advanced jet trainers, with the type’s first international sale to be announced in 2013.

The agreement with CATIC represents the first sale of the type, which China is pitching on the international market. The agreement between the two parties, which are both owned by the Chinese government, was signed at Airshow China in Zhuhai.

CATIC president Ma Zhiping says the first sale of the L-15 will be announced next year. Neither the export agency or company representatives were willing to disclose the customer, or to confirm whether the 12 contracted aircraft will eventually be delivered to this end-user.

AVIC Hongdu says it has started “limited batch production” of the L-15, with the first dozen aircraft to be completed by the end of 2013.

Separately, AVIC says it will develop a new powerplant for the L-15 called the Minshan. The twin-engined type is now powered by a Ukrainian powerplant. According to AVIC, the Minshan is a twin-spool turbofan with an afterburner.

“Now that main component performance tests have been accomplished with satisfying results that could meet the requirements of engine design targets, it will be ready for delivery in a few years,” it says.


L-15 makes its first overseas foreign sales without even debut for PLAAF yet. More or less speaks for itself and my assessment for L-15. CATIC is more willing to market L-15 than JF-17. Just like MBT-2000(Bangladesh, Morocco, Sudan, Myanmar) than Al-Kahlid MBT... Very simple. Becos, China can take 100% profit rather than sharing with others.

L-15 is just waitng for Ukraine Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F afterburning turbofans which just managed to be delivered to China second half of this year. Trust me, L-15 will sell quickly. We just need to provide soft loan. Many countries will buy it like hotcakes. This fighter will replace the market left by J-7..

PAF will know why block 2 JF-17 never happen in 2012? Why a 2 seater JF-17 never developed for PAF???
 
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Two AI-225k-25F only have 48kn in Normal modle.with thrust only M1.4 .
Can you understand Chinese?
L15(又称“猎鹰”)飞机是中航工业洪都自主研制的新一代双发超音速高级教练机,于2006年3月首飞成功。该机具有典型的第三代战斗机特征,设计采用了大边条翼气动布局、高度翼身融合体结构,先进数字飞控电传系统和基于开放式数据总路线技术的综合航电系统,操纵敏捷,大迎角机动性强,能充分满足第三代战斗机飞行员的战斗入门训练和战术基础改装训练,机体设计寿命达1万小时,具有很高的训练效费比。

这是洪都自己写的介绍,你明白什么叫战斗入门训练吗?
就L-15那小机头"神鹰"-80塞进去都困难,你还把它当战斗机,你太奇葩了。

Ukraine is delivering the first batch of AI-222-25F engines for new Chinese L-15 trainer airplanes. A source well informed on the details of the Ukrainian-Chinese cooperation under the L-15 program told Interfax-Ukraine that the Chinese side is to certify the first batch of engines assembled in Ukraine by the end of week.

"Chinese specialists have arrived to Ukraine to certify the first batch of engines, this work is to be done by the end of week," the agency's interlocutor added.

The source did not disclose the volume of consignment.

"At present, we're continuing talks with our Chinese colleagues on further supplies of AI-222-25F engines to China and cooperation in their production," he said.

A contract on the supply of AI-222-25F engines produced in Ukraine to China was signed in spring 2011. The volume and the value of the contract have not been disclosed.

The L-15 is an airplane for training pilots of J-10, J-11, J-16 and other aircraft. Its maximum takeoff weight is 9,800 kilograms. Its length is 12.27 meters. The aircraft is 25% made of carbonate composite materials. The service life of these aircraft is 10,000 flight hours, or 30 years.

The AI-222-25F engine, which was designed by Ivchenko-Progress Enterprise and is produced at Zaporizhia-based OJSC Motor Sich, generates 4,200 kilograms of thrust when afterburning.

According to the L-15's designers, the aircraft will have a competitive price of $10 million, which will vary depending on the model.

Foreign mass media reported that China would soon design a light attack plane based on the L-15. At the moment, options for its armaments are being considered. The new aircraft will be offered to the Chinese air forces and for export. A similar plane could be also developed for the Chinese navy.

Ukraine conveys first engines for L-15 trainer airplane to China

L-15 uses 2 engine and max thrust is 8400kg.

Max speed is 1.6 but they did not indicate the real speed just like J-10 is indicated at speed 1.8Mach at Zuhai Airshow 2012 but modest guess will be J-10 is capable of hitting 2.0Mach. The Chinese is downplayng L-15 capabilities.
 
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Ukraine conveys first engines for L-15 trainer airplane to China

L-15 uses 2 engine and max thrust is 8400kg.

Max speed is 1.6 but they did not indicate the real speed just like J-10 is indicated at speed 1.8Mach at Zuhai Airshow 2012 but modest guess will be J-10 is capable of hitting 2.0Mach. The Chinese is downplayng L-15 capabilities.

一个卖货的还要隐藏优点,你的笑话说的太好了。还歼十,你想象力太丰富了

It is only a joke that A seller hidden strong point of his commodity .

把只能带格斗弹的高教当成战斗机用也只有你这种奇葩才能想出来
 
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一个卖货的还要隐藏优点,你的笑话说的太好了。

It is only a joke that A seller hidden strong point of his commodity .

把只能带格斗弹的高教当成战斗机用也只有你这种奇葩才能想出来

You are still young in understanding China military and sales philosophy. Check out Korea T-50A before you think a trainer is not possible to convert into a light fighter. Why Poland and Indonesia decide to go for Korea T-50A. Just watch how all this things unfold. Give it another year and come back to this thread. See who is kidding who.....
 
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You are still young in understanding China military and sales philosophy. Check out Korea T-50A before you think a trainer is not possible to convert into a light fighter. Why Turkey and Indonesia decide to go for Korea T-50A. Just watch how all this things unfold. Give it another year and come back to this thread. See who is kidding who.....

I maybe old like your father.
Do you think which Country can sell cheap fighter to philosophy? China or Pak? It only be a attacker.

Turkey have 224 F-16s,Indonesia have 10 F-16s and 10 Su-27/30s ,order 24 F-16s and 6 Su-30s and 50 KF-X/I-FX.
They only buy some trainer.
I think you are the joke!
 
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Very Good Question why the trainer was not developed? where is Block-2?

Block-2 is being built.. its not a "new" aircraft..just a few tweaks..
The two seater is the actual delay... and is also the reason why squadrons are taking longer to stand up.
 
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Block-2 is being built.. its not a "new" aircraft..just a few tweaks..
The two seater is the actual delay... and is also the reason why squadrons are taking longer to stand up.

I wonder why PAF did not think this to be an important step.We now have a serious holdup in our replacement and devopment. The obvious reasons appear to be engine and money but technically this is a flaw in the planning.
Araz
 
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I wonder why PAF did not think this to be an important step.We now have a serious holdup in our replacement and devopment. The obvious reasons appear to be engine and money but technically this is a flaw in the planning.
Araz

The reason it was thought to be a non-issue was the idea the JF-17 simulators and logistics would be available at the MOB's quicker than the aircraft were being built. However, due to paucity of funds the only place with dedicated simulators and complete logistics to maintain JF-17's remains Kamra. Even the aircraft at Peshawar have to go to Kamra for anything slightly more than routine maintenance.
And with the bases not having enough simulators and logistics not in place, the third squadron of pilots had to be trained on the already overburdened facilities at Kamra which were still undergoing expansion.
The issue is not of the two seater as the JF-17 is relatively easy to fly and pilots from the F-7 squadrons have also solo'ed after a few hours in it. The issue is in the number of simulators available and the currency that pilots take to qualify.
The issue of funds has literally left the PAF scrounging for money from here and there.
 
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I maybe old like your father.
Do you think which Country can sell cheap fighter to philosophy? China or Pak? It only be a attacker.

Turkey have 224 F-16s,Indonesia have 10 F-16s and 10 Su-27/30s ,order 24 F-16s and 6 Su-30s and 50 KF-X/I-FX.
They only buy some trainer.
I think you are the joke!

The joke is on you. It's wasting my time talking to you. You old like my father? I think you have a small brain not able to think. Given china financial power and abilities. You really think china has hard time selling JF-17? Even Soviet Union times, soviet sold their fighter by soft loan or even donate it to kick start the new jet sales. If china want JF-17 to be sold , it can be easily done to Zimbabwe or other 3 rd world countries.
 
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The joke is on you. It's wasting my time talking to you. You old like my father? I think you have a small brain not able to think. Given china financial power and abilities. You really think china has hard time selling JF-17? Even Soviet Union times, soviet sold their fighter by soft loan or even donate it to kick start the new jet sales. If china want JF-17 to be sold , it can be easily done to Zimbabwe or other 3 rd world countries.

Your stupidity is beyond my imagination.
Zimbabwe in economic and food crisis now,China give Zimbabwe Food aid every year.
 
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The joke is on you. It's wasting my time talking to you. You old like my father? I think you have a small brain not able to think. Given china financial power and abilities. You really think china has hard time selling JF-17? Even Soviet Union times, soviet sold their fighter by soft loan or even donate it to kick start the new jet sales. If china want JF-17 to be sold , it can be easily done to Zimbabwe or other 3 rd world countries.

像你这样知识匮乏还要跑到国际论坛上来丢人的脑残真是少见。

两个世界经济排名分别在16和18的经济大国,买几架高教训练飞行员居然被你作为小国用高教当战斗机的典型。

一个世界经济排名131的穷国,正在面临着经济崩溃和严重的粮食危机,全国1/5的人在忍受饥饿,你要贷款给他买战斗机,你简直太奇葩了。
 
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像你这样知识匮乏还要跑到国际论坛上来丢人的脑残真是少见。

两个世界经济排名分别在16和18的经济大国,买几架高教训练飞行员居然被你作为小国用高教当战斗机的典型。

一个世界经济排名131的穷国,正在面临着经济崩溃和严重的粮食危机,全国1/5的人在忍受饥饿,你要贷款给他买战斗机,你简直太奇葩了。

Beside side tracking to insult what military knowledge do you have? Seriously from yr reply ,u have no deep knowledge of china military and the current market trend.

And again , yr talking of Zimbabwe as a poor country precisely prove my point. If china wanted JF-17 to be sold as hot cake. It can easily provide soft loans and make it happen but why JF-17 is still not sold yet beside PAF deal?

While L-15 which haven even inducted yet has already secure 12 units of foreign purchase.
And yr comment of talking about taking a J-7 over a L-15 anytime is a joke! You probably don't even have a basic knowledge of L-15 and claim it inferior? HAHAHAHA

L-15 has incorporated quadrablex digital FBW together with LERX. Giving it high agility and high angle of attack. It's payload of 3400kg ,7 hardpoints far surpassed the payload of J-7 and range. It's twin engine provide max thrust of 8400kg which even WP-14 (if enter service)of 7900 kg thrust can't match. Even the RD-93 of JF-17 max thrust is at 8300kg.

I will take L-15 over an J-7 anytime and eat you for lunch easily. L-15 is designed in mind same as T-50A for budget countries who needed an update fighter while at the same time can act as trainer. Therefore saving the cost of procuring extra trainer. For rich countries, L-15 will act An advance trainer to prepare them for 4th or 4.5th fighter.
 
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Beside side tracking to insult what military knowledge do you have? Seriously from yr reply ,u have no deep knowledge of china military and the current market trend.

And again , yr talking of Zimbabwe as a poor country precisely prove my point. If china wanted JF-17 to be sold as hot cake. It can easily provide soft loans and make it happen but why JF-17 is still not sold yet beside PAF deal?

While L-15 which haven even inducted yet has already secure 12 units of foreign purchase.
And yr comment of talking about taking a J-7 over a L-15 anytime is a joke! You probably don't even have a basic knowledge of L-15 and claim it inferior? HAHAHAHA

L-15 has incorporated quadrablex digital FBW together with LERX. Giving it high agility and high angle of attack. It's payload of 3400kg ,7 hardpoints far surpassed the payload of J-7 and range. It's twin engine provide max thrust of 8400kg which even WP-14 (if enter service)of 7900 kg thrust can't match. Even the RD-93 of JF-17 max thrust is at 8300kg.

I will take L-15 over an J-7 anytime and eat you for lunch easily. L-15 is designed in mind same as T-50A for budget countries who needed an update fighter while at the same time can act as trainer. Therefore saving the cost of procuring extra trainer. For rich countries, L-15 will act An advance trainer to prepare them for 4th or 4.5th fighter.

我太佩服你的智慧了,你想钱想疯了吧。
津巴布韦在四处借债维持政府运转,还在接受中国数亿元的粮食援助,再怎么津巴布韦也是民主政体,不顾民生借债买武器,只有你这种脑残才会干得出来。
花费了1500万美元就只能打败歼-7的战斗机,果然是你口中的利器,哪个穷国能买这东西那真是脑子被门夹过。

你觉得你懂军事?现代战机最基本的要求是什么?不是什么机动性,而是超视距攻击能力和先进的雷达等电子设备。你也好意思说你懂军事知识。

L-15就是一个教练机的命,国内市场都拿不到,能抢到一丁点国际高教市场就烧高香了,你还在这座战斗机梦,可笑
 
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The thing with L-15 is that, for a advanced trainer, a twin engine craft is costly to maintain.
 
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