Catholic Bishops to fast against Enayam Port project

[Guynextdoor2]

That's how community works together..... A fuckeda BJP MP wants to make a project that's going to bunkruppt wants to move out 7 villiages along with churches schools and hospitas with thousands of families so he can make money in commission.. and want to divide the stronghold of christian community... that's very secular f you people... ofcourse not to mention keepung a radical mother fuckr like yogi in a Chair to very seculer of you people

tell me in detail if you know- what exactly is the problem?

 

[$@rJen]

You have already shown your "class" in your Post by making a personal attack. "charlatans like you". (I have corrected the spelling to improve your "class")


Now the crux of the matter,

WHO ARE YOU TO Question anyone about their faith or their beliefs ?

Do you really think such a question Even needs to be answered ? That I actually need to Justify my "faith" or lack of it to you or your kinds ?

Is this some kind of christian Inquest ? Think deeply about what I have said and help yourself.


Finally, the Supreme Court has just declared the River Ganga ans a Living Entity and has grated all legal rights of a person to the River.

In the same way, a Hindu Temple is OWNED by God and that is its LEGAL status. Get it ?

you're taking things out of context... wait for sometimes.. I've to packup i'll give you a clear picture

 

[PlugnPlay]

That's how community works together..... A fuckeda BJP MP wants to make a project that's going to bunkruppt wants to move out 7 villiages along with churches schools and hospitas with thousands of families so he can make money in commission.. and want to divide the stronghold of christian community... that's very secular f you people... ofcourse not to mention keepung a radical mother fuckr like yogi in a Chair to very seculer of you people

So you Admit that you Christians have no problem is subverting "secularism" for your own personal agenda.

That is a good first step.

Your Conspiracy theory need not be replied too. One is free to spin any tale. That is your prerogative.

The only "radical mother Fuckr" I see in this thread is not the good Yogi. It is somebody who is perfectly fine with involving the church in the political process.

Thank god for Yogi Adityanath, and I hopes he sticks around to defend India and it's Constitution from the likes of such "radical mother fuckr's"

 

[PlugnPlay]

Exactly what i was thinking. Other social organisations should lead if concerns are genuine . Not religious ones.
Have personally seen what the church can do if misled into such activities. Company i worked for had to shutdown cause of similar church led opposition. In our case the reason was given as pollution , before co. had started. Real reason was they didnt want outsiders. More than 1000 locals lost their jobs.

Don't forget that Catholic Churchs report to the VATICAN.

They are the Indian Branch of this MNC. Its like asking people to trust Pepsi and KFC and not the Govt. of India. Amazing

 

[Sky lord]

You have already shown your "class" in your Post by making a personal attack. "charlatans like you". (I have corrected the spelling to improve your "class")


Now the crux of the matter,

WHO ARE YOU TO Question anyone about their faith or their beliefs ?

Do you really think such a question Even needs to be answered ? That I actually need to Justify my "faith" or lack of it to you or your kinds ?

Is this some kind of christian Inquest ? Think deeply about what I have said and help yourself.


Finally, the Supreme Court has just declared the River Ganga ans a Living Entity and has grated all legal rights of a person to the River.

In the same way, a Hindu Temple is OWNED by God and that is its LEGAL status. Get it ?

So you resort to the usual excuse of the religious when questioned?

Hoe DARE you question me? I am above questioning. this is a CHRISTIAN INQUEST. Any questions to me pointing out my idiocy is a mark of persecution.


You poor moppet, it doesn't take much to persecute you does it? Just a little mild hint on whether all that invisible nonsense you believe may just be all made up ...and we compare it to the SPANISH INQUISTION !!


Ok now you carry on frothing in the mouth and correcting my spelling. I am following @Guynextdoor2 very excellent new habits. I notice he no longer gets into jagada with anyone anymore. I am going to try and follow in those same new habits.

 

[$@rJen]

tell me in detail if you know- what exactly is the problem?

BJP MP named Rathkrishanan proposed a container port in a place called Colachel which is 8 kilo meter away from my place. which already has a horbour and it was a natural location, but near to that there's very famouse temple, due to the pressure the project ws put down, then he brough the project to my village which is very dense and the waster is very shallow, now this project is pretty big they've to evacuate 7 villages who only rely on fishing and want to put them 8km north where there's no sea, which make a big question of how to support our lives. and lots of formers are losing their land due to railway and road connectivity.gov is willing to pay 3 lac and 800sqt land per family. my own village has around 5 thousand families and there are other 6.

now the problem is there's already a container port around 30km away from my place and it has all the infra nnede for a port to run, they used the same lies of countering Colombo port for this project as well, some minister got the cut and now that port is completely bankrupt and those people who lived there are facing the problem to run their lives.

there's more to it.. i'll write later on

 

[Guynextdoor2]

So you resort to the usual excuse of the religious when questioned?

Hoe DARE you question me? I am above questioning. this is a CHRISTIAN INQUEST. Any questions to me pointing out my idiocy is a mark of persecution.


You poor moppet, it doesn't take much to persecute you does it? Just a little mild hint on whether all that invisible nonsense you believe may just be all made up ...and we compare it to the SPANISH INQUISTION !!


Ok now you carry on frothing in the mouth and correcting my spelling. I am following @Guynextdoor2 very excellent new habits. I notice he no longer gets into jagada with anyone anymore. I am going to try and follow in those same new habits.

day before yesterday I called all bhakts pu$$ies......

 

[Sky lord]

Don't forget that Catholic Churchs report to the VATICAN.

They are the Indian Branch of this MNC. Its like asking people to trust Pepsi and KFC and not the Govt. of India. Amazing

Just saw this gem!

day before yesterday I called all bhakts pu$$ies......

Maaan and I thought you were reformed!

I usually steer clear of trouble but someone comes charging at you literally frothing in the mouth and swinging an axe you gotta put out a trip wire

Anyway really gotta go. I am wasting my life on this useless forum.

 

[PlugnPlay]

So you resort to the usual excuse of the religious when questioned?

Hoe DARE you question me? I am above questioning. this is a CHRISTIAN INQUEST. Any questions to me pointing out my idiocy is a mark of persecution.

You poor moppet, it doesn't take much to persecute you does it? Just a little mild hint on whether all that invisible nonsense you believe may just be all made up ...and we compare it to the SPANISH INQUISTION !!

Ok now you carry on frothing in the mouth and correcting my spelling. I am following @Guynextdoor2 very excellent new habits. I notice he no longer gets into jagada with anyone anymore. I am going to try and follow in those same new habits.

1. Feel free to Run away from the debate when it gets too hot for you You have my sympathies.

2. Your entire post is riddled with personal attacks to compensate for the lack of substance in it.

3. You are free to question other people's faith. Only they are not required to reply to you or justify their faith to you. Its a very childish and immature thing to do.

4. If you want a philosophical discussion then I am good for that too, but the very premise of argument is silly and ignorant. At least read up a bit more about Hinduism before seeking a debate on it. You do not even know the law.

5. This is how an Inquisition starts , by questioning people's faith. You just took your first baby steps towards that lifestyle. There is still time to step back before you go further down that path in your arrogance.

Its one thing to loose a debate, its quite another to loose your head.

Just saw this gem!

Maaan and I thought you were reformed!

I usually steer clear of trouble but someone comes charging at you literally frothing in the mouth and swinging an axe you gotta put out a trip wire

Anyway really gotta go. I am wasting my life on this useless forum.

Which part of that do you disagree with ?

Some people never reform, you have chosen a poor "leader" to imitate.

day before yesterday I called all bhakts pu$$ies......

......Yet "non pu$$ies" run away from a debate, while pu$$ies persist

 

[Sky lord]

1. Feel free to Run away from the debate when it gets too hot for you You have my sympathies.

2. Your entire post is riddled with personal attacks to compensate for the lack of substance in it.

3. You are free to question other people's faith. Only they are not required to reply to you or justify their faith to you. Its a very childish and immature thing to do.

4. If you want a philosophical discussion then I am good for that too, but the very premise of argument is silly and ignorant. At least read up a bit more about Hinduism before seeking a debate on it. You do not even know the law.

5. This is how an Inquisition starts , by questioning people's faith. You just took your first baby steps towards that lifestyle. There is still time to step back before you go further down that path in your arrogance.

Its one thing to loose a debate, its quite another to loose your head.



Which part of that do you disagree with ?

Some people never reform, you have chosen a poor "leader" to imitate.



......Yet "non pu$$ies" run away from a debate, while pu$$ies persist

Two things

I am nit interested in "philosophical" discussions on why your invisible men or invisible workings of the universe are "better" or more "sophisticated" than your neighbors invisible man. Because it is like trying to discuss whether the moon is made of cheese while your neighbor says it's made of chalk. Most likely you are both duffers and completely wrong.

My point is that charlatans (did I get the spelling right? If not please feel free to sue me) like you use made up philosophies about things that don't exist to jockey for power in the real world. Your ONLY interest in proving that your invisible man can legally OWN land while your neighbors invisible guy cannot , is that you can take the benefits from that land for yourself.

Because, after all the invisible guy is NEVER going to turn up to claim his property.

edit - I forgot to add the second thing-

This is how murderous religious theocracies start, by refusing anyone to allow questioning you on your version of the invisible man in the sky and crying INQUISITION - HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME"

you need to be questioned or, else you will use all that poppycock invisible non existent nonsense philosophies you peddle to run over those who believe in alternate non existent philosophies.

 

[PlugnPlay]

Two things

I am nit interested in "philosophical" discussions on why your invisible men or invisible workings of the universe are "better" or more "sophisticated" than your neighbors invisible man. Because it is like trying to discuss whether the moon is made of cheese while your neighbor says it's made of chalk. Most likely you are both duffers and completely wrong.

My point is that charlatans (did I get the spelling right? If not please feel free to sue me) like you use made up philosophies about things that don't exist to jockey for power in the real world. Your ONLY interest in proving that your invisible man can legally OWN land while your neighbors invisible guy cannot , is that you can take the benefits from that land for yourself.

Because, after all the invisible guy is NEVER going to turn up to claim his property.

There is never going to be any "discussion" between us. Those are between equals. I can only teach you and point our where and how you are wrong.

In any case I do not have to "prove" god can own land, that is the LEGAL position of Temples in India under the Constitution and has been accepted by the Supreme Court of India.

If you want to discuss the Legality of the whole thing, take it up with the SC. The morality of this is quite straight forward too, unlike the church who "owns" public graveyard and make people beg for a plot of land to bury their dead. That is how priests derive their power over their "flock".

And guynextdoor btw is a lot smarter than you.

I have no problems with you thinking that. You need to ask if he himself believes that ? ..... why do you think he avoids replying to my posts ?

edit - I forgot to add the second thing-

This is how murderous religious theocracies start, by refusing anyone to allow questioning you on your version of the invisible man in the sky and crying INQUISITION - HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME"

you need to be questioned or, else you will use all that poppycock invisible non existent nonsense philosophies you peddle to run over those who believe in alternate non existent philosophies.

Hinduism THRIVES on questions and debates

Entire revival of Hinduism by Shankaracharya was done by Questions and answers and debate. You seem blissfully ignorant about the tradition of Purva Paksha in any Dharmic discourse. Hinduism is TAUGHT by questions and debates. That is the very essence of the Upanishads.

But I can ONLY be questioned by someone with an Open mind and by a person of integrity who will admit his defeat, if and when it happens. These are two of the Fundamental requirements. Not by someone who has already made up his mind and wants to drag me down to his level.

Better still, take up the practice of Yoga to discover the truth for yourself and avoid the debate.

 

[Sky lord]

There is never going to be any "discussion" between us. Those are between equals. I can only teach you and point our where and how you are wrong.

In any case I do not have to "prove" god can own land, that is the LEGAL position of Temples in India under the Constitution and has been accepted by the Supreme Court of India.

If you want to discuss the Legality of the whole thing, take it up with the SC. The morality of this is quite straight forward too, unlike the church who "owns" public graveyard and make people beg for a plot of land to bury their dead. That is how priests derive their power over their "flock".



I have no problems with you thinking that. You need to ask if he himself believes that ? ..... why do you think he avoids replying to my posts ?



Hinduism THRIVES on questions and debates

Entire revival of Hinduism by Shankaracharya was done by Questions and answers and debate. You seem blissfully ignorant about the tradition of Purva Paksha in any Dharmic discourse. Hinduism is TAUGHT by questions and debates. That is the very essence of the Upanishads.

But I can ONLY be questioned by someone with an Open mind and by a person of integrity who will admit his defeat, if and when it happens. These are two of the Fundamental requirements. Not by someone who has already made up his mind and wants to drag me down to his level.

Better still, take up the practice of Yoga to discover the truth for yourself and avoid the debate.

As far as I can see there you go again trying to prove your made up philosophies are better than anyone else's. Let me tell you honestly unless you can point me to half a dozen peer reviewed studies that substantiate any of your claims - sorry I to have to pass.

As for tradition or debates, it is unfortunately extremely obvious that in today's world the only debates out of which anything useful comes mostly happens in universities and organizations in the secular liberal west where they actually study real things in the world while the rest of us sit here quoting from texts written by people thousand of years ago who Knew very little and made up stories to explain what they did not understand.

My objection to your point is not and has NEVER been what you believe. If you believe you will be reborn as a Brahmin or a coconut or that your philosophies are dipped in gold, I am absolutely fine with that, equally fine with those who believe in 72 virgins or wearing white gowns and playing the harp for enterntiy.


My issue with you is that you use your religious meaningless nonsense to claim things of value like land. Land which can be sold for a profit or to claim a building like a temple ..after all god doesn't take up too much room or ask anything to inconvenience you. And you use it to politicize and denigrate people fighting for important things like their own livelihood.

You have more in common with that priest who denied burial plots or Vatican of the Middle Ages and Qom of today than you do with me! All are charlatans duping simpletons for their own personal gain in this world.

 

[PlugnPlay]

As far as I can see there you go again trying to prove your made up philosophies are better than anyone else's. Let me tell you honestly unless you can point me to half a dozen peer reviewed studies that substantiate any of your claims - sorry I to have to pass.

What a blatantly Dishonest statement.

You were the one who asked me to "prove" my faith, not the other way around.

The Only one asking for "proof" is YOU, not me.

LOL at you for turning a clean 360 degrees and putting your sins on me. Need I say "typical" ?

BTW Hinduism does operates on "peer review". which is why various Rishis and yogis have met and discussed ideas and experiences and those form the Hindu scriptures. That is how Purva Paksha was born.

As for tradition or debates, it is unfortunately extremely obvious that in today's world the only debates out of which anything useful comes mostly happens in universities and organizations in the secular liberal west where they actually study real things in the world while the rest of us sit here quoting from texts written by people thousand of years ago who Knew very little and made up stories to explain what they did not understand.

That is your very narrow minded and ignorant view of the world. University do not study religion, nor do they practice it at an institutional level. Their "debate" if any is meaningless.

You are free to claim nobody knew anything except the church and universities in the west. That is your prerogative. I don't give a $hit and nor do I have desire to debate your "opinion".

My objection to your point is not and has NEVER been what you believe. If you believe you will be reborn as a Brahmin or a coconut or that your philosophies are dipped in gold, I am absolutely fine with that, equally fine with those who believe in 72 virgins or wearing white gowns and playing the harp for enterntiy.

My issue with you is that you use your religious meaningless nonsense to claim things of value like land. Land which can be sold for a profit or to claim a building like a temple ..after all god doesn't take up too much room or ask anything to inconvenience you. And you use it to politicize and denigrate people fighting for important things like their own livelihood.

LOL.....I have quoted the LAW ....... not "religious nonsense". Your intellect is a victim of your own bigotry and prejudice. Do try to break free if you want to continue to be rational.

I have steered clear of the issue of the port itself because I do not claim to know anything about it. But I would always trust the govt. more than the catholic church that owns allegiance to the Vatican. That is a no brainer.

You have more in common with the Vatican of the Middle Ages and Qom of today than you do with me!

Such personal attacks only serve to show you in poor light.

I do not seek your "certificate". Try such "secular" tricks on the meek and the dumb.

 

[Sky lord]

I do not know the details about the project and your post seems genuine. About your question about the temple, the temple is more than 500 years old and cannot be shifted. A Hindu temple is a house of god and the property belongs to god.

A church or a mosque however is only a facilitation center to come together and pray to god and can be shifted easily.

I am not advocating for this port, just making you understand the fallacy in comparing a hindu temple with other religious structures, including gurudwara.

Here is your post that started it all...and you're lying about it now?

You are saying you CANNOT move a temple because a real god lives there but churches and mosques can be moved because they are just fake facilitation centers and then to prove your point you quoted selected sentences from the Bible.

It was this underhanded PROPERTY SCAM that caught my attention.

How are you different to the priest who refused a burial plot? Both of you using religion to scam more power and property to yourself.

That is your very narrow minded and ignorant view of the world. University do not study religion, nor do they practice it at an institutional level. Their "debate" if any is meaningless.

How is this narrow minded? Anybody who believes different to you is not narrow minded by default. Universities study religion, but they don't waste their entire resources on it which is why you are now able to shamelessly use the internet invented in the Christian secular liberal west to argue your point of view,.

What useful thing came out of all those famous religious debates of ancient times. Let me tell you - squat all -. Whatever little that was useful was done by mathematicians and doctors not by your useless priests. What difference does it make whether dharma is karma or not? None what so ever.

And why study this useless stuff when the real world is so beautiful?

What do you go on and on about Ganga being legal - so? What has that to do with the little property scam you are trying out here? The Supreme Court has not said that the church or the mosque cannot own properties. In fact both are very rich entities. They can own on behalf of their little invisible man and scam their followers too just like you.

 

[PlugnPlay]

Here is your post that started it all...and you're lying about it now?

You are saying you CANNOT move a temple because a real god lives there but churches and mosques can be moved because they are just fake facilitation centers and then to prove your point you quoted selected sentences from the Bible.

It was this underhanded PROPERTY SCAM that caught my attention.

How are you different to the priest who refused a burial plot? Both of you using religion to scam more power and property to yourself.

A Temple cannot be moved because once the land is given to the god as per legal records, god cannot come down to earth and return that land back to anyone. That transaction is purely one way.

The same is not true for a church or a mosque. It is a false equivalence comparing it to a Hindu Temple.

When did I claim a church to be a "fake facilitation center" ? Shame on you for blatantly lying. There goes your credibility along with your integrity.

How is this in ANY WAY comparable to the unethical practice of a church "owning" a public graveyard and refusing permission to people to bury their dead based on their discretion ?

The temple provides entry to everyone as long as they adhere to the practice of "Shudhi" as defined in the Agamas. Non Hindus are often denied entry due to their non adhering to the practice of Shudhi e.g. eating meat, etc. Since an individual check can't be done, a blanket ban is imposed in certain temples.

How is it a "scam" when nobody owns the Temple land or can profit from it ? Legal ownership of land is not a "scam".

How is this narrow minded? Anybody who believes different to you is not narrow minded by default. Universities study religion, but they don't waste their entire resources on it which is why you are now able to shamelessly use the internet invented in the Christian secular liberal west to argue your point of view,.

I have already explained how it is narrow minded in my earlier post. Read it again if you have not got it the first time.

Neither internet nor gravity is "christian". I am glad they have stop burning scientist for being witches and worse.

What useful thing came out of all those famous religious debates of ancient times. Let me tell you - squat all -. Whatever little that was useful was done by mathematicians and doctors not by your useless priests. What difference does it make whether dharma is karma or not? None what so ever.

And why study this useless stuff when the real world is so beautiful?

The purpose of the debate is to practice mutual respect and practice what you preach, while the opposite is true for the christian inquest.

It is such good practices of Dharma and karma that gave rise to a society and civilization where mathematicians and astronomers and doctored and architects etc flourished. Because they were not burnt at the stakes are heretics and pagans.

I am surprised that I have to explain what should have been obvious to you as an Indian exposed to the hindu way of life.

What do you go on and on about Ganga being legal - so? What has that to do with the little property scam you are trying out here? The Supreme Court has not said that the church or the mosque cannot own properties. In fact both are very rich entities. They can own on behalf of their little invisible man and scam their followers too just like you.

Church is the largest private owner of land in India.Most of it was stolen Temple land like in kerala. That is a real scam.

Land ownership of Hindu temples is only governed by trustees, most of who are not professional "priests" and are usually elected to their position. Unlike Professional priests in the church who run the scam. In any case, Govt. of India or the state govt's are the trustees for most Temples in India.