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1.Cast system is central to Hindu culture, heritage, society and religion. The phenomenon is so strong that the foreign rulers left this alone.
a.The Muslims neither tempered with local custom nor showed any extra keenness for locals to convert. The Brahmins and Khsatryas employed in the army and govt service, however, found it expedient to convert. But the high Brahmins kept away because they were otherwise satisfied with their religious duties. The low cast continued to render the menial and low level services which suited the Muslim ruling class - and therefore there was no need for them to convert to Islam.
b. The Christians targeted the low cast/outcast. Unlike Muslim converts these local Christians found themselves as stationed low in society as before, and doing all those jobs which they had been doing earlier. The white Christians treated them as second class.
2. The leading comrades of Lenin-Stalin-Trotsky were Indians like Muzaffar Ahmed, Rana Dey, etc. It was hoped India, then a British colony, would be the first to adopt communism. However, the communist leaders soon discovered that their dialectic analysis of Indian society was fatally faulty. They had not factored in the powerful and pronounced hold of the cast system over the Hindu society.Even subsidiary religions like Jainism or Sikhism have been unable to wipe this off. The British had to have separate regiments for Sikhs of high and low cast. I heard IA is trying to discontinue this.
3. It will interest you to know that even those converted to Islam have not been able to get rid of this. In Bengal there are Chawdhury's, Majumdars, Biswas's, Thakurs, Mondols, Khastagir, etc who retain these Hindu cast identity. In India and Pakistan there are Choudhurys, Dogars, Rao's, Rajas, Gujjars, Gujrals, Seyals, Segals, Warrach'es, Jats and others who retain their pre-Muslim clan identity, marry among themselves and are generally comfortable in own clan gathering.
3. The issue is not political although politicians have always used this as a weapon. Continuous social reforms through reformers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy, Swami Vivekanando, Sri Arubindo, Ishwarchandra Vidyasagor, Dr Ambedkar and MK Gandhi will have to continue for several generations more.
a.The Muslims neither tempered with local custom nor showed any extra keenness for locals to convert. The Brahmins and Khsatryas employed in the army and govt service, however, found it expedient to convert. But the high Brahmins kept away because they were otherwise satisfied with their religious duties. The low cast continued to render the menial and low level services which suited the Muslim ruling class - and therefore there was no need for them to convert to Islam.
b. The Christians targeted the low cast/outcast. Unlike Muslim converts these local Christians found themselves as stationed low in society as before, and doing all those jobs which they had been doing earlier. The white Christians treated them as second class.
2. The leading comrades of Lenin-Stalin-Trotsky were Indians like Muzaffar Ahmed, Rana Dey, etc. It was hoped India, then a British colony, would be the first to adopt communism. However, the communist leaders soon discovered that their dialectic analysis of Indian society was fatally faulty. They had not factored in the powerful and pronounced hold of the cast system over the Hindu society.Even subsidiary religions like Jainism or Sikhism have been unable to wipe this off. The British had to have separate regiments for Sikhs of high and low cast. I heard IA is trying to discontinue this.
3. It will interest you to know that even those converted to Islam have not been able to get rid of this. In Bengal there are Chawdhury's, Majumdars, Biswas's, Thakurs, Mondols, Khastagir, etc who retain these Hindu cast identity. In India and Pakistan there are Choudhurys, Dogars, Rao's, Rajas, Gujjars, Gujrals, Seyals, Segals, Warrach'es, Jats and others who retain their pre-Muslim clan identity, marry among themselves and are generally comfortable in own clan gathering.
3. The issue is not political although politicians have always used this as a weapon. Continuous social reforms through reformers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy, Swami Vivekanando, Sri Arubindo, Ishwarchandra Vidyasagor, Dr Ambedkar and MK Gandhi will have to continue for several generations more.
