Carter: China Isolating Itself in Pacific

[hans]

Frankly I think what China claims is islands within 9 dash line
and then share EEZ with SEA countries according to the islands EEZ..
not really possible to control all waters like 12Nm territorial sea.
Also I think China will make this statement clear after completion of island construction and seize control of SCS

The imagined 9 dash line can not be understood.
China claims that they own the sea inside 9 dash line from Han dynasty but just 200 years ago, when we are at the sea, we can not know exactly where we are. So even we are right above the 9 dash line, we also don't know. In the ground, people can use some marks to specify the borderline but in the sea, we cannot without modern technology. However China claimed based on Historic evidences from two thousands years ago.
China also don't explain why inside the 9 dash line, there were Chinese Historic activities but outside the 9 dash line there were not. Coordinates of each dot was also not clear.
And importantly just 200 years ago, Even If Chinese Emperor went to the sea, He also didn't know where are the positions of that imagined borderline. Even Zheng Hua crossed over that imagined borderline, he also can not recognize.
Remember that we only know where we are in the sea to respect the EEZ with the help of modern GPS. That's why there was no concept of sea borderline in the past.
Only Chinese think they can specify a borderline in the sea from hundreds years ago.

 

[Namin]

@Namin

China doesn't claim the entire sea.

Please read my post clearly before you said
.
China claim part of the sea based on historic evidences from han Dynasty, that's why I try to figure out how to respect that borderline without GPS. Because even Zheng Hua crossed the borderline in his trips, he also didn't know because he didn't have a GPS devices.
To say clearer, a Vietnamese fishermen caught fish before a Qing dynasty navy near and inside your 9 dash line, Qing soldiers can not know.

 

[TaiShang]

Nation to maintain its policies of 'active defense'

2015-05-28

China will continue to pursue "active defense" policies but will never again allow any country to infringe upon its sovereignty, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said on Wednesday.

Hua was responding to Japanese comments about China's first white paper on military strategy, which was released on Tuesday.

Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said on Tuesday that after World War II, Japan had won high praise around the world as a peace-loving country.

He also said, "Whatever the situation, we have to avoid using force."

The remarks came as the Japanese government is making progress with changing the country's security policies that were put in place after the war.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has indicated that he will not use the words "apology" and "aggression" in his statement in August marking the 70th anniversary of the end of the war.

Such key words have been used by his predecessors in a reference to Japan's wartime past. Hua said Chinese people's memories of their country being bullied by other powers are still fresh.

She said China cherishes peace and is adhering to a path of peaceful development, but will also keep "the lessons taught by history" in mind and build up appropriate defense capabilities.

The white paper refers to increasing security challenges posed by certain countries, citing the growing United States military presence in Asia and major adjustments to Japan's security policies.

It also states that "some offshore neighbors" have taken "provocative actions and reinforced their military presence on China's reefs and islands that they have illegally occupied". It says the PLA navy will gradually shift its focus from offshore waters defense to a combination of this type of defense and open seas protection.

It reaffirms China's adherence to peaceful development and its "active defense" military strategy. It interprets this policy as, "We will not attack unless we are attacked, but we will surely counterattack if attacked". The white paper adds, "China will never seek hegemony or expansion."

Foreign Policy magazine said in an analysis of the white paper that China's assessment of its challenging security environment is "sobering ... for a 5,000-year-old civilization that has survived invasions from Mongols, Japanese and Western Europeans."

Pentagon spokesman Steve Warren said the white paper is a "step in the right direction" in terms of transparency and "exactly the type of thing that we've been calling for" in that respect.

 

[Elkanah]

Carter's statements and indeed much of the USA position on the South China Sea of late is really a disappointment to those who believe in a pragmatic approach. Carter stated the United States intends to remain " the principal security power in the Asia pacific". This is the crux of the issue over what in my opinion is a needless source of conflict the U.S. Believes with religious fervor that it is its divine destiny to be the hegemonic power of all the earth, the fact is given China's current and likely future it is not pragmatic or remotely realistic that the U.S. Can maintain itself as the sole hegemon in the Asia pacific. The unbridled truth though unpalatable to some is that the current Asian status quo has to be changed at least in someways to accommodate China basic logic by any sane political strategist will see that the only way to maintain the current status quo particularly with reference to the South China Sea will require force of arms. If that is what the ppl of Asia choose so be it but it is Asians who will suffer not us in the west ASEAN in particular had better understand that it would be better for them to promote a type of Vienna congress that updates the current status quo and yes possibly changes aspects to suit China the encouragement of America in its march to conflict will in the end not be pleasant I hope pragmatic thought prevails

 

[xunzi]

No fucking nobody is going to intimidate us into the doing the things we do not want to do. Can we be clear on this?