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Captured CST Terrorist

Arms smuggled into hotels before raids, claims commando

By Joe Leahy in Mumbai, James Lamont in New Delhi and,James Blitz in London

Published: November 29 2008 02:00 | Last updated: November 29 2008 02:00

As police removed the covered body of a terrorist from the Chabad House Jewish community centre last night, the people of Mumbai got one of their few glimpses of the small band of attackers.

The terrorists staged a well-planned attack on India's financial capital. They devastated two key business hotels - one of which was a historic Indian landmark - and struck at its most popular tourist cafe.

It was a sophisticated propaganda exercise aimed at hitting India where it hurts most: its emerging status as an economic power. But beyond their competence in executing their aims, little is known of the estimated two dozen men who attacked the city of some 18m people.

The thing that is most clear is that they planned the operation to the last detail. Ratan Tata, the industrialist whose group owns the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, said the gunmen knew every detail of the complex, which combines a 105-year old structure with a newer high-rise section.

"They seem to know their way around the back part of the hotel and the kitchens, so one assumes there has been a considerable amount of planning in this operation," Mr Tata said.

A marine commando officer, who appeared on television, said the terrorists knew the layout of the hotel better than his men did.

"The Taj has 400 rooms. We do not know the layout of the hotel. Staff did not know the layout. When we had to go in, we had to go on our own," he said.


He said the "very determined and remorseless" group had smuggled an arsenal, including plastic explosives, into the hotels before their attack.

He said the commandos recovered $1,200 and Rs6,000 in cash and eight credit cards - including one belonging to a Mauritian national - from militants in the Taj.

A naval spokesman confirmed earlier government claims that the attack on Mumbai had come from the sea. He said the militants had landed in rubber boats.

This supports Indian government suggestions that the terrorists might be linked to Pakistan, and other claims that the militants were taken to Mumbai's coast on a larger vessel.


The Indian coastguard said yesterday that a fishing trawler had been found with a body on board and had been turned over to the police for investigation.

The Indian navy has also detained two ships it believes to be Pakistani-owned and is investigating them as well as a Panama-owned vessel that recently docked in Karachi.

However, security experts are divided over whether the group was home-grown or linked to Pakistani militants or even al-Qaeda. The only organisation claiming responsibility for the attacks was Deccan Mujahideen, a hitherto unknown group.

Some believe it might be linked to Indian Mujahideen, a group that has claimed to be behind previous attacks on Indian cities this year.

Michael Clarke, director of the London-based Royal United Services Institute think-tank, said they might have been trained by al-Qaeda. "The terrorists were clearly very well trained and well led," he said.

"The way they have been firing their AK-47s in short bursts - rather than discharging large amounts of ammunition quickly - shows they have been well-taught on how to use them. This suggests they have been through the regional Islamist training camps."


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US, UK, Israel Ramp Up Intelligence Aid to India
Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:54 PM
(Source: The Times of India) By Chidanand Rajghatta

WASHINGTON: Unprecedented intelligence cooperation involving investigating agencies and spy outfits of India, United States, United Kingdom and Israel has got underway to crack the method and motive behind the Mumbai terrorist massacre, now widely blamed on Islamist radicals who appeared to have all four countries on their hit list when they arrived on the shores of India.

Investigators, forensic analysts, counter-terrorism experts and spymasters from agencies the four countries are converging in New Delhi and Mumbai to put their heads, resources, and skills together to understand the evolving nature of the beast. The spy chief of the Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence(ISI) is also being summoned to India to help with the investigations because of the widely-held view that the terrorists' footprints go back to Pakistan. (Watch)

The Bush administration has taken the lead to forge cooperation, partly out of concern that charges by India that the terror plot has Pakistani fingerprints could setback fast-improving government-to- government and people-to-people ties between the two countries, officials said.

But there is an implicit recognition both in New Delhi and Washington, and also other world capitals, that Pakistan's hard- line Army and its spy agency are spoilers of the honeymoon between the civilian governments and the people of India and Pakistan. Hence the summons to the country's chief spook, Ahmad Shuja Pasha, an acolyte of the new Army Chief Pervez Kiyani, himself a former ISI chief.

President Bush, who spent Thanksgiving Thursday at Camp David, monitored the developments in Mumbai along with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who joined him for dinner. Bush also spoke to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh offering all U.S help.

In fact, CNN reported that Washington suggested sending US Special Forces for on-the-ground operations in Mumbai but New Delhi declined the offer, saying its own forces could take care of the situation. The report could not be separately verified although officials acknowledged cooperation in investigations and intelligence sharing.

The Bush administration is also keeping President-elect Barack Obama up-to-speed on the fast moving developments. Obama spoke with Secretary Rice by phone to get an update on the situation in Mumbai. Additionally, his transition office said, the President-elect received an intelligence briefing on the attacks.

The President-elect is also receiving regular situational updates from the State Department Ops Center and the National Counter Terrorism Center (NCTC), an Obama spokesperson added.

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Attacks push India and Pakistan into deep water: analysts
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NEW DELHI (AFP) — Outrage in India over the Mumbai attacks risks sparking a dangerous escalation in tensions with Pakistan, analysts say, even as Islamabad cautions against any knee-jerk reaction.

Having accused "elements in Pakistan" of involvement in the ruthless attacks that left 195 dead in India's financial capital, the government here is now under extreme public pressure to exact some form of visible retribution.

The two nuclear-armed South Asian rivals are past masters of the art of military and diplomatic brinkmanship, but the stakes are heightened by looming general elections in India in which national security will be a key issue.

In a televised address to the nation on Thursday, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh vowed that the perpetrators and organisers of the Mumbai assault would be made to pay "a heavy price."

On Saturday, Singh called a meeting of India's army, navy and air force chiefs.

But while India would like to lean heavily on Islamabad to ensure it delivers on repeated promises to prevent Pakistani territory being used for anti-India activities, analysts say the government's options are limited.

Former national security advisor Brajesh Mishra said New Delhi would be constrained by a lack of proof that Islamabad had any direct role in the attacks.

"There is little to suggest that the gunmen were sponsored by the Pakistani government," Mishra said.

The scale and style of the assaults -- involving multiple targets and hostage-taking -- bore "the hallmarks of Al-Qaeda attacks in the Middle East and North Africa," Mishra said.

"These are new elements that differentiate the Mumbai attacks from the parliament attack."


In 2001, gunmen from the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group attacked the Indian parliament, resulting in the complete rupture of diplomatic ties and pushing the rivals to the brink of war.

Former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal all but ruled out the possibility of India resorting to any cross-border military response.

"The Indian leadership would have to weigh very carefully the consequences of using the military option in the wider context of peace and stability in the region," Sibal said.

Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari appealed for calm on Saturday and argued that any increase in Indo-Pakistan tensions would be a victory for the extremists.

"Whoever is responsible for the brutal and crude act against the Indian people and India are looking for reaction," Zardari said in an interview with Indian CNN-IBN television.

"We have to rise above them and make sure ourselves, yourself and world community guard against over-reaction," he said.

Kalim Bahadur, a retired professor of international relations, said India might find it difficult to take a hard line with Pakistan, given that Zardari's government was still finding its feet and itself battling Islamic militants.

"The Pakistani president's grip on power is not strong. We have seen that Zardari says things, then he is contradicted or he has to clarify what he has said.

"The situation seems to be that the democratic government has no control over extremist elements," Bahadur said.

Independent security analyst K. Subrahmanyam suggested that a primary motive for the Mumbai attacks could well have been a desire to "wreck the peace process" launched by India and Pakistan in January 2004.

Given the targeting of foreigners by the Mumbai attackers, Subrahmanyam said New Delhi had an opportunity to rally international pressure on Islamabad to cut support to Islamist groups.

Another analyst, C.Uday Bhaskar, urged Singh and his government to keep the engagement with Pakistan on track while carefully monitoring Islamabad's actions in the coming weeks.

"Snapping links is not a desirable option," he said.

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If all investigation leads to links LeT.

what will Pakistan do ?.Again they will ask for more proof ???? and then they will say they are freedom fighters. we are just providing moral support.

Pakistan should not support all this orgs. one day they will turn against them.

Ex: Taliban
 
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I don't think credible evidence is going to be pooh poohed by Pakistan, especially not in this particular case.

Given the specific targeting and killing of Western citizens, and the strong suspicions being voiced of this being done in collaboration with AQ, Pakistan will have to take the same strong action it has against other AQ individuals such as Khalid Shaikh Muhammad etc.
 
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We have banned the LeT. We have shut down their basis within Pakistan.

They have to do their activities under different names now. Some speeches that they've given in public have been cited as evidence that they are still active but c'mon its Pakistan we don't have prompt responses and these LeT guys aren't really up on our most wanted lists.
 
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You guys are the ones that let them go after paying them off.

Does it even matter, we let him off because we had no other choice, as your nationals had had good number of Indian citizens at gun point.

I think if their culpability in any incidents after the hijacking is shown, they should be tried and incarcerated, or extradited if some extradition arrangement/treaty can be worked out.

Hijacking and killing of an Indian civilian is by itsef a crime. Omar Sayeed shake had confessed to the killing of Indian Nationals and Mazood Azhar a Pakistani national(He sure did not arrive to India with visa) waa also charged. We provided evidences post Parliment attack when we gave the famed list of people we wanted, only to be Phoo phooed(like another poster mentioned) by your authorities.

To sum it up

Hijacking was a criminal offence and Pakistani nationals were involved in it. They were neved handed over to India by Pakistan, which means you have p[rovided asylum to hijackers.

Omar Sayeed Shake cdespite having confessed to the murder of British and Aamerican citizens in Indian soil was never reprimanded and handed over to India.

Mazoon Azhar still lives in Pakistan and post hijacking was all over Pakistan giving speeches.

India provided evidence post Parliment only to be phoo phooed by your authorities.

Thus my contention that Pakistan officially(since they were roaming in broad daylight) provided asylum to terrorists and still is a safe haven for anti India nationals.

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Does it even matter, we let him off because we had no other choice, as your nationals had had good number of Indian citizens at gun point.



Hijacking and killing of an Indian civilian is by itsef a crime. Omar Sayeed shake had confessed to the killing of Indian Nationals and Mazood Azhar a Pakistani national(He sure did not arrive to India with visa) waa also charged. We provided evidences post Parliment attack when we gave the famed list of people we wanted, only to be Phoo phooed(like another poster mentioned) by your authorities.

To sum it up

Hijacking was a criminal offence and Pakistani nationals were involved in it. They were neved handed over to India by Pakistan, which means you have p[rovided asylum to hijackers.

Omar Sayeed Shake cdespite having confessed to the murder of British and Aamerican citizens in Indian soil was never reprimanded and handed over to India.

Mazoon Azhar still lives in Pakistan and post hijacking was all over Pakistan giving speeches.

India provided evidence post Parliment only to be phoo phooed by your authorities.

Thus my contention that Pakistan officially(since they were roaming in broad daylight) provided asylum to terrorists and still is a safe haven for anti India nationals.

IPF

Your entire post ignores the points I made in my response.

1. If credible evidence of their guilt after the hijacking is found then they should be tried.

The hijackers were given 'asylum' per the agreement India arrived at with them in exchange for the hostages. They may have been Pakistanis, but the hijacking was not sponsored by the GoP, and neither was their release.

2. Omar Saeed Shaik has been sentenced to death for a crime after his release, and as far as I know is still in jail pending his appeal. That shows that we did act when credible evidence against people like him was presented.

If we have similar evidence against M Azhar (after the hijacking), we should do the same with him.
 
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We have a captured terrorist on scene and he is talking!. This is very rare in any kind of terrorist activity. Whatever he speaks is Gospel, whether you like it or not.

Do you know where he is from?. Faridkot, Pakistan.

Brother for your kind information Faridkot is a small city and a municipal council in Faridkot district in the state of Punjab, India.

Check out Wikipedia for your "TASALLI"
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2. Omar Saeed Shaik has been sentenced to death for a crime after his release, and as far as I know is still in jail pending his appeal. That shows that we did act when credible evidence against people like him was presented.

If we have similar evidence against M Azhar (after the hijacking), we should do the same with him.

Great you gave shelter to terrorist

The terrorist risk their lives and and passenger life and hijacked IA plane to release other set of terrorist isn't this proof enough ? Now lets see what happened later.

1) Ignored India's reports on "Omar shaikh" allowed him to rome free paid the price of Daniel Pearl then put him in prison because Daniel Pearl was an American ?

2) Allowed Maulana Masood Azhar to form terrorist group "Jaish-e-Mohammad"
Even US has listed it as an Terroist Organization check (Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs))

If you live shelter terrorists do not expect them to be in love with you.
 
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Twitter In Controversial Spotlight Amid Mumbai Attacks

Posted by Alexander Wolfe, Nov 29, 2008 11:27 AM

Never before has a crisis unleashed so much raw data -- and so little interpretation -- than what we saw as the deadly terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India unfolded. Amid the real-time video feeds (kudos to CNN International), cellphone pictures, and tweets, we were able to keep abreast of what seemed to be happening, and where it was going down, all the while not really knowing those other key, canonical components of journalistic information gathering -- namely, who or why.

In fairness, no one did. There were so many tentacles to these heinous attacks, and multiple hot spots (the Taj and Oberoi hotels and the Chabad Jewish center, to name the three most prominent), that even the Indian government likely didn't have a handle on things until late in the game. My point here is not criticize, but simply to note that I was struck, as never before, by the ability of data to outstrip information.

I'd add that Mumbai is likely to be viewed in hindsight as the first instance of the paradigmatic shift in crisis coverage: namely, journalists will henceforth no longer be the first to bring us information. Rather, they will be a conduit for the stream of images and video shot by a mix of amateurs and professionals on scene.

You've got to add to this the immense influence of Twitter. In the past few days, I've seen a slew of stories pointing out how Twitter was a key source of real-time updates on the attacks, to the point that Indian authorities asked people to stop posting to the microblogging service (for fear that they might be giving away strategic information to the terrorists).

[Here's how the Times of London put it on Thursday: "People using Twitter reported that bombings and attacks were continuing, but none of these could be confirmed. Others gave details on different locations in which hostages were being held. And this morning, Twitter users said that Indian authorities was asking users to stop updating the site for security reasons."]

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Contrarian that I am, I looked into the situation, and came away with my usual "yes, but" response. Namely, while there might have been sensitive information buried amid the streams of #mumbai tweets, you'd be hard pressed to separate it out from the more pedestrian commentaries on the situation and complaints about coverage. (For the uninitiated, tweets are what you call twitter postings, and "#mumbai" is how you tag a tweet to indicate that it's about Mumbai.)

Indeed, the sheer volume of "#mumbai" tweets would seem to militate against the notion that there's anything of value easily accessible within. Since going through the first 100 pages of tweets only takes you back several hours, I did random searches on postings from Wed., Nov. 25; Thurs., Nov. 27, and Friday, Nov. 28, and couldn't come up with much hard information (click on the image below to see for yourself.)


Twitter was an ongoing source of updates and commentary on the terrorist attacks. (Click picture to enlarge, and to see 2 additional screens.)


Corroborating my case is this story from the Metro UK web site. While it purports to show bloggers tweeting about the terrorist attacks, I'd say that, instead, it shows them meta-tweeting. As in, a news story goes 'round the world, and then pops back up on the Internet.

To sum up, my point is not to denigrate the Internet's new-found prominence as a source for all things journalistic (though if the PC had never been invented, my job would be a lot more secure, but that's another story). It's simply to point out that our brave, new online world hasn't completely gelled yet, and we haven't fully evolved the model for how citizens and journalists will simultaneously cooperate and compete to deliver the news to a public with an increasingly short attention span (albeit intense interest; figure that dichotomy out). We're still at the beginning of the beginning.

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Mumbai Terrorist Tech Surprises Indian Authorities

This week, as spectators around the world either watched TV news, tracked Twitter feeds, read blogs and sites in horror as the Mumbai terrorist attacks unfolded, the terrorists themselves were tech'ed up in order to track the police response themselves.

While police and the military were impressed by the arsenal carried by the terrorists, they were also impressed by the technology they carried as well. According to reports from multiple sites, backpacks carried the Mumbai terrorists showed multiple BlackBerry handsets. Read more about Mumbai events.

A typical move in such a standoff is to cut the TV feeds to buildings, shutting down any information feed the attackers may have to track government response. But in Mumbai the terrorists used their BlackBerrys to surf the web and keep track of police movements and global reaction to the attacks, according to analysis of the recovered devices.

And something police and the military need to remember in the future, is that these aren't guerillas using sticks or something to attack. If they can get their hands on an AK-47, they can get their hands on a BlackBerry, more easily in fact. Reports are the police were surprised that the terrorists had Blackberrys, but they shouldn't be.

However, while terrorists used their BlackBerrys to help themselves, so did survivors. According to reports, Amit Gupta used his own BlackBerry to keep track of things once the cable feed was cut off from the Oberoi Trident Hotel. He survived a 42-hour ordeal, all told, and despite it all, is going back to work on Monday.

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