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^^ Don't you think it's a wee bit more credible than the kalava theory that proved for you his antecedents!

Not at all. The Kalava theory is something everyone can see. It's undeniable.

The villager reports are things which are just Chinese whispers. A good way to make money even for some!

That's not to say it cannot be true. But you're believing a conspiracy theory right now. Wait and see whether there's any proof of this. Zardari did not know of any Pakistani national involved up till yesterday. Yet this reporter knew about it by Thursday. ISI must be really dumb to kidnap the immediate family, forget about the father-in-law etc. Anyhow, I'll leave you to carry on.
 
Lol. You havent been vindicated. Most of the Indian papers were reporting stories that turned out to be false. This does not prove a damn thing.

When the Pakistani government admit it, and account for all the people in the village then that would be proof.

Is the ISI so stupid to leave the father in law or whoever in the village, and just abduct the immediate relations?!! The ISI is not so dumb, I'm sure! If they were going to abduct people, they would have taken every trace of this person's relatives. Not left a couple here and there to talk to the media!

But Indian papers did claim he was from Faridkot after which you guys have laughed off. But now some independent journalists have shown that he is from Faridkot. ISI stupid or dumb only time will tell, but they have already abducted parents of that terrorist. What does that tell you?.
 
From BBC Urdu:

In a first person account of his visit to the village of Faridkot, in the Dipalpur tehsil of Pakistan’s Okara district, reporter Ali Salman noted unusual activity in the form of a large number of people who local people said were intelligence officials.

“When I made enquiries about Amir’s residence,” Mr. Salman recorded, “I was directed to a house. The alleged officials in plainclothes came out when they saw a camera and microphone in my hand. I tried to talk to them,” Mr. Salman wrote, “but they walked away without saying anything.”

In the report broadcast on its Urdu service, the BBC quoted the people of this village as saying that some security officials had come and taken away Ajmal's family.

The BBC report also quoted the residents as saying that for the last one week activities of government security officials have increased significantly in their village.

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From Dallas News:

Mr. Wattoo led the reporter to Mr. Ameer's house, where an elderly man named Sultan and a middle-aged woman named Miraj, who identified themselves as relatives, said the occupants had gone away "for a wedding."

But they gave inconsistent and changing stories, sometimes confirming that Mr. Ameer lives there, at other times denying it. The mayor, too, had attempted to delay the visit of a reporter to the house Friday and changed his story at times. As a result of the delay, plainclothes Pakistani security officials got to the house before the reporter, and they appeared to have coached the occupants to throw visitors off the trail.

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From the Guardian, UK:

Following our last visit to Faridkot, the mayor, Wattoo, announced via the loudspeaker at the mosque that no one was to speak to any outsiders. By yesterday, Pakistani intelligence officials had descended in force on Faridkot. Locals, speaking by telephone, said a Pakistani TV crew and an American journalist had been roughed up and run out of town. It appeared that the backlash had begun.

So clearly, the Pakistani Government is clearly behaving in a highly suspicious manner.

Incidentally, this settles the issue of whether these are state sponsored terrorists or "non-state actors". If you are guilty of a cover-up, you are also an accessory to the crime.
 
So clearly, the Pakistani Government is clearly behaving in a highly suspicious manner.

Incidentally, this settles the issue of whether these are state sponsored terrorists or "non-state actors". If you are guilty of a cover-up, you are also an accessory to the crime.

Nothing in that link is proof of that kid coming from that place. If ISI wanted to, it could have closed the whole village off to reporters. Do you honestly think some nerdy journalist would discover something before ISI?

It appeared this and that to Saeed Shah, this doesn't make it true. It even sounds like Saeed Shah wanted to make a martyr out of reporters, by claiming they're all being roughed up. Funny how he was allowed to travel to where he wanted though, when he wanted!

This is no proof like you're claiming. People identifying themselves as relatives, and then not. Oh look, there's a Noor in the village and an Amir who had a son Ajmal. Wonder what the family name was, Balbinder probably is what I'll hear next. :hitwall:
 
Nothing in that link is proof of that kid coming from that place. If ISI wanted to, it could have closed the whole village off to reporters. Do you honestly think some nerdy journalist would discover something before ISI?

It appeared this and that to Saeed Shah, this doesn't make it true. It even sounds like Saeed Shah wanted to make a martyr out of reporters, by claiming they're all being roughed up. Funny how he was allowed to travel to where he wanted though, when he wanted!

This is no proof like you're claiming. People identifying themselves as relatives, and then not. Oh look, there's a Noor in the village and an Amir who had a son Ajmal. Wonder what the family name was, Balbinder probably is what I'll hear next. :hitwall:

if ISI would have done it earlier then you the charade you maintained for past one week would have been blasted away on the first day itself. At least today Prseident Zardari could blame non state actors. By the above mentioned action even that alibi wouldn't have been possible at it would have proved official complicity the moment anyone tried to make contact with villagers and found himself barred .

They are doing it now since the cat is threatening to come out of bag and they are trying to minimize damage. If they get hammered over the issue , they can safely claim that the family was picked up for questioning

since you are so good at 'alternate' explanations, pl explain what could have been the reason for taking his father now
 
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The Observer has obtained electoral lists for Faridkot showing 478 registered voters, including a Mohammed Amir, married to Noor Elahi. Amir's and Noor's national identity card numbers have also been obtained. At the address identified in the list, a man identifying himself as Sultan said he was the father-in-law of Mohammed Amir," said the report, published on Sunday. A villager, who was not named for sake of his protection, said the hamlet was an active recruiting ground for the banned militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba that India has named as being among the organisation's responsible for the Mumbai attacks. "We know that boy (caught in Mumbai) is from Faridkot," the villager told an Observer reporter in Faridkot. "We knew from the first night (of the attack). They brainwash our youth about jihad, there are people who do it in this village. It is so wrong," he added. According to the villager and other locals, Ajmal has not lived in Faridkot for about four years but would return to see his family once a year and frequently talked of freeing Kashmir from Indian rule, the daily said. The reporter also managed to obtain the electoral roll for Faridkot, "which falls under union council number 5, tehsil Depalpur, district Okara. The list of 478 registered voters shows a Mohammed Amir, married to Noor Elahi, living in Faridkot. Amir's national identity card number is given as 3530121767339, and Noor's is 3530157035058." One villager told the Observer: "We've all known from the first day (of the Mumbai attack) that it was him, Ajmal Amir Kasab. His mother started crying when she saw his picture on the television." Villagers said his parents had been mysteriously spirited away earlier in the week. "Ajmal used to go to Lahore for work, as a labourer," the villager, who feared being named, told the daily. "He's been away for maybe four years. When he came back once a year, he would say things like, 'We are going to free Kashmir.'"terrorists involved in the Mumbai attacks were among a large group of volunteer "fidayeen" or suicide attackers trained in commando tactics by the Pakistan army and navy instructors over 18 months from December 2006. "The training of these 500 men was in three phases. The first was basic physical fitness and firearms training. The second was marine navigation and swimming. The third involved training to sabotage underwater installations such as oil rigs, ships and submarines," one official was quoted as saying.

"They were trained to a level of US Seals or Pakistani marine commandos. They were elite. Ten of these men were the ones who attacked Mumbai."
 
Watch the NDTV programme "The making of a terrorist" now on NDTV.

It is showing all the details of Kasab including his stay in Lahore etc.
 
The names of all "teams" and team members just shown. Given telephone numbers of TV channels and the demands to be made given in Pakistan.
 

ISLAMABAD, Dec 7 (APP): Newsweek in its latest edition has said that the Mumbai attacks apparently have been perpetrated by an indigenous group, the Indian Mujahideen. The article says that these attacks have got some significant indigenous connections, not necessarily from Pakistan or Bangladesh or anywhere else but Indian.

And the problem with these indigenous strikes is that they raise questions about India’s capacity to actually live and make workable a multi-ethnic, as they say, secular Indian state, to maintain that as a national identity and to make it workable, the article says.

So if the attack comes from the outside it does not necessarily damage that national identity side of things, but it does threaten a cross-border level of violence with their neighbour in Pakistan that is probably almost as dangerous, the magazine says.

“...no matter how the Mumbai attack ends up being in terms of who is responsible and where the strings run, they do have an increasing problem with domestic violence or internal violence perpetrated by Indian Muslims and unfortunately it appears Hindu nationalists as well,” the weekly magazine wrote.

The writer of the article urges the US to play its role in helping Pakistan and India find solution to the problem.

“The United States can be helpful, and we can help to find solutions. If the two sides are willing and able to put them on the table, we can bring them closer together.”
 

ISLAMABAD, Dec 7 (APP): Newsweek in its latest edition has said that the Mumbai attacks apparently have been perpetrated by an indigenous group, the Indian Mujahideen. The article says that these attacks have got some significant indigenous connections, not necessarily from Pakistan or Bangladesh or anywhere else but Indian.

And the problem with these indigenous strikes is that they raise questions about India’s capacity to actually live and make workable a multi-ethnic, as they say, secular Indian state, to maintain that as a national identity and to make it workable, the article says.

So if the attack comes from the outside it does not necessarily damage that national identity side of things, but it does threaten a cross-border level of violence with their neighbour in Pakistan that is probably almost as dangerous, the magazine says.

“...no matter how the Mumbai attack ends up being in terms of who is responsible and where the strings run, they do have an increasing problem with domestic violence or internal violence perpetrated by Indian Muslims and unfortunately it appears Hindu nationalists as well,” the weekly magazine wrote.

The writer of the article urges the US to play its role in helping Pakistan and India find solution to the problem.

“The United States can be helpful, and we can help to find solutions. If the two sides are willing and able to put them on the table, we can bring them closer together.”

Oh well, that settles it then. The most respectable of all publications so far has made its point quite clearly.

As much as I enjoy the banter concerning the baddy's home town, his name, etc; can any of the indians here please give a detailed retort/analysis of what is contained in the article above, namely the religious strife, muslim subjugation and suppression.
I'm seeing some harmonious signs appearing of late; namely the whole "not chopping up cows on Eid" from injun muslims but as well as it means, it still detracts from the bigger picture.
As long as you Fu*k around with us lot - yes us reffering to the greater muslim collective -do you honestly think you'll be able to live in peace? no seriously? do you guys even think about this stuff?
I'm not condoning violence of any sort but just being realistic and not beating around the bush.
So much time and effort is wasted by the indian media, govt and most of the indians on here. Why can the smartest brains from a 1.3 billion collective not get together and deal with some hard and cold questions?
This is parallel to the american position; i.e their flawed foreign policy of intervention and support of despotic regimes resulting in them being enemy no.1 and terrorism.
As long as india doesnt deal with the critical issues of what is happening to muslims in Kashmir and other states, these troubles will continue. Why must your media and govt. deny the treatment of many Indian muslims is appalling and wrong on so many fronts?
Never forget your geographical location is not thousands of miles away like the US and so harmonious co-existence is in your best interest surely.
You guys are in the thick of it.
Dont be an apologist, be pragmatic and have the courage of your convictions to make the cold hard decisions. Forget the blame game - harmony and greatness are only achieved by thinking out of the box.
Trying to pin each and every occurance of trouble on pakistan will achieve nothing. We will still exist at the end of the day; if our existance is threatened, do you honestly think we will not take you with us?
This is not an idle threat but mere simple cold hard reality and I say this without any nationalistic fervour.

Eid mubarak. Lets make love, not babies (especially the indians ;).
 
Another report - from the Chicago Tribune:

Suspect in Mumbai attack linked to Pakistani village -- chicagotribune.com

But residents deny knowing alleged gunman or his family

11:09 PM CST, December 7, 2008

FARIDKOT, Pakistan—The trail to the hometown of the lone surviving suspect in the Mumbai terrorist attacks leads to this dusty village in Punjab.

Despite government denials that the captured man was from Pakistan, Pakistani journalists said Ajmal Qasab, also known as Ajmal Amir Kamal and Azam Amir Kasav, grew up here. And a former prime minister said Indian officials told their Pakistani counterparts that Qasab said he was from a village named Faridkot in this part of Punjab.

In Faridkot on Saturday, however, no one acknowledged knowing Qasab. And the reception for a Tribune correspondent and several Pakistani journalists was openly hostile from the men who greeted them at the village entrance.

The villagers said they did not remember the alleged gunman's father, Mohammed Amir Qasab, nor the Qasab family shop that sold deep-fried snacks called pakoras. It is as if the Qasab family—their last name means "butcher" in Urdu—never existed.

"Nothing has happened in this village," said Sikander Ali Wattoo, a college professor sitting outside the mayor's office. "It's only a misunderstanding. No terrorist lives in this village."

Faridkot, and how Pakistan handles the story of Qasab, may lie at the heart of the dangerous tensions between nuclear-armed rivals India and Pakistan in the wake of last month's Mumbai terrorist attacks, which left 171 people dead.

India has blamed a Pakistan-based terrorist group, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or "army of the pure," for masterminding the attacks and said Qasab has admitted under interrogation that he was trained at Lashkar camps in Pakistan.

The Pakistanis say they will cooperate but have seen no proof of a Pakistan link. But evidence that Qasab is from Pakistan would guarantee at least some Pakistani role in the killings and could force the government to take action, as demanded by India and the United States.

The country's most powerful intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, helped build up groups such as Lashkar 20 years ago to fight in disputed Kashmir, experts say. Many militants recruited for these groups were from rural Punjab, from villages such as Faridkot.

Some Indian authorities have suggested that the ISI could have had a role in the Mumbai attacks—a charge Pakistan vehemently denies.

There are at least five Faridkots in Punjab, but only one in the Okara district.

Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, whose party runs Punjab province and whose brother is the provincial chief minister, said Pakistan government officials told him what the Indians say Qasab told them under questioning. He said Qasab, about 21, said that he was a resident of Faridkot in the Okara district, about two hours south of Lahore.

"This boy says, 'I belong to Okara, and I left my home some years ago,' " Sharif said in an interview. He said Qasab reportedly would come home for a few days every six months or a year.

"He cut off his links with his parents," Sharif said. "The relationship between him and his parents was not good. Then he disappeared."

The British newspaper The Observer visited this village and reported Sunday that it obtained voter rolls showing the names Qasab reportedly told Indian authorities were his parents'. Village authorities told the Tribune that the couple did not exist.

Rubnawaz Joya, a local journalist who is president of the press club of Dipalpur, less than 2 miles from Faridkot, said Faridkot villagers told him that Qasab last came home during an Islamic holiday about two months ago. Joya said the villagers said Qasab bragged that he could fight 10 men at the same time and showed off his moves.

No one said that Saturday, when Faridkot seemed as though it was under some kind of shadowy siege.

A group of village leaders met journalists at the main road leading into Faridkot, where about 10,000 people live in small brick houses along brick and dirt paths. They said the Tribune correspondent was the first foreigner to visit, ever.

Ghulam Mustafa, the mayor, said the village was not the right Faridkot. Rashid Ahmed Wattoo, a farmer, said many young people from Faridkot had left to work in Lahore.

A crowd formed, some holding large canes, and other journalists from the region showed up. "Don't film here," a man said. When two journalists working for an international news agency kept filming, the crowd started punching and kicking them. Their mobile telephones and digital-video cassettes, called DVs, were taken.

Near the Tribune's car, a few men talked about smashing its windows, stealing the reporter's purse and setting the car on fire. "Just burn their car," one man said.

"I know everything," one boy told the journalists. "Just keep quiet," a man told the boy. "Are you mad?" another man asked.

Finally, the villagers allowed the journalists to walk around—but only along one street, and only with an escort that quickly grew to 20 men.

A reporter for a Pakistani television station said he filmed the house where some villagers said Qasab had lived, and then hid the videocassette in his sock. The footage showed a man inside the house named Mohammad Ghafoor Ahmed denying knowing the Qasabs and said he was the real owner of the house.

"Off the record, everyone said Qasab was from Faridkot," the TV reporter said. "But on the record, they refused."

When told about what happened in Faridkot, Bilal Siddique Kamyana, a police commander in charge of Okara district, replied: "I can't say anything."

A bit later, when the news service journalists came to the police headquarters and complained about their stolen phones and video, Kamyana placed a call.

"Sir," he said, "your men have snatched the journalists' DVs and telephones. You can erase the images, but please give them back to the journalists."
 
It is a cothurnus for peaceful people.Epress my heartfelt condolencesthe to these victims.
What i heard in China is that China Government has been accused of offering these terrorists grenades and AKs by the India medias. Is it truer ?

对所有和平的人来说这都是个悲剧,首先为这些死难者哀悼。
我在中国听说有印度媒体指责中国为恐怖分子提供手榴弹和AK,这不是真的吧?
 
Another report - from the Chicago Tribune:

Suspect in Mumbai attack linked to Pakistani village -- chicagotribune.com

But residents deny knowing alleged gunman or his family

11:09 PM CST, December 7, 2008

FARIDKOT, Pakistan—The trail to the hometown of the lone surviving suspect in the Mumbai terrorist attacks leads to this dusty village in Punjab.

Despite government denials that the captured man was from Pakistan, Pakistani journalists said Ajmal Qasab, also known as Ajmal Amir Kamal and Azam Amir Kasav, grew up here. And a former prime minister said Indian officials told their Pakistani counterparts that Qasab said he was from a village named Faridkot in this part of Punjab.

In Faridkot on Saturday, however, no one acknowledged knowing Qasab. And the reception for a Tribune correspondent and several Pakistani journalists was openly hostile from the men who greeted them at the village entrance.

The villagers said they did not remember the alleged gunman's father, Mohammed Amir Qasab, nor the Qasab family shop that sold deep-fried snacks called pakoras. It is as if the Qasab family—their last name means "butcher" in Urdu—never existed.

"Nothing has happened in this village," said Sikander Ali Wattoo, a college professor sitting outside the mayor's office. "It's only a misunderstanding. No terrorist lives in this village."

Faridkot, and how Pakistan handles the story of Qasab, may lie at the heart of the dangerous tensions between nuclear-armed rivals India and Pakistan in the wake of last month's Mumbai terrorist attacks, which left 171 people dead.

India has blamed a Pakistan-based terrorist group, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or "army of the pure," for masterminding the attacks and said Qasab has admitted under interrogation that he was trained at Lashkar camps in Pakistan.

The Pakistanis say they will cooperate but have seen no proof of a Pakistan link. But evidence that Qasab is from Pakistan would guarantee at least some Pakistani role in the killings and could force the government to take action, as demanded by India and the United States.

The country's most powerful intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, helped build up groups such as Lashkar 20 years ago to fight in disputed Kashmir, experts say. Many militants recruited for these groups were from rural Punjab, from villages such as Faridkot.

Some Indian authorities have suggested that the ISI could have had a role in the Mumbai attacks—a charge Pakistan vehemently denies.

There are at least five Faridkots in Punjab, but only one in the Okara district.

Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, whose party runs Punjab province and whose brother is the provincial chief minister, said Pakistan government officials told him what the Indians say Qasab told them under questioning. He said Qasab, about 21, said that he was a resident of Faridkot in the Okara district, about two hours south of Lahore.

"This boy says, 'I belong to Okara, and I left my home some years ago,' " Sharif said in an interview. He said Qasab reportedly would come home for a few days every six months or a year.

"He cut off his links with his parents," Sharif said. "The relationship between him and his parents was not good. Then he disappeared."

The British newspaper The Observer visited this village and reported Sunday that it obtained voter rolls showing the names Qasab reportedly told Indian authorities were his parents'. Village authorities told the Tribune that the couple did not exist.

Rubnawaz Joya, a local journalist who is president of the press club of Dipalpur, less than 2 miles from Faridkot, said Faridkot villagers told him that Qasab last came home during an Islamic holiday about two months ago. Joya said the villagers said Qasab bragged that he could fight 10 men at the same time and showed off his moves.

No one said that Saturday, when Faridkot seemed as though it was under some kind of shadowy siege.

A group of village leaders met journalists at the main road leading into Faridkot, where about 10,000 people live in small brick houses along brick and dirt paths. They said the Tribune correspondent was the first foreigner to visit, ever.

Ghulam Mustafa, the mayor, said the village was not the right Faridkot. Rashid Ahmed Wattoo, a farmer, said many young people from Faridkot had left to work in Lahore.

A crowd formed, some holding large canes, and other journalists from the region showed up. "Don't film here," a man said. When two journalists working for an international news agency kept filming, the crowd started punching and kicking them. Their mobile telephones and digital-video cassettes, called DVs, were taken.

Near the Tribune's car, a few men talked about smashing its windows, stealing the reporter's purse and setting the car on fire. "Just burn their car," one man said.

"I know everything," one boy told the journalists. "Just keep quiet," a man told the boy. "Are you mad?" another man asked.

Finally, the villagers allowed the journalists to walk around—but only along one street, and only with an escort that quickly grew to 20 men.

A reporter for a Pakistani television station said he filmed the house where some villagers said Qasab had lived, and then hid the videocassette in his sock. The footage showed a man inside the house named Mohammad Ghafoor Ahmed denying knowing the Qasabs and said he was the real owner of the house.

"Off the record, everyone said Qasab was from Faridkot," the TV reporter said. "But on the record, they refused."

When told about what happened in Faridkot, Bilal Siddique Kamyana, a police commander in charge of Okara district, replied: "I can't say anything."

A bit later, when the news service journalists came to the police headquarters and complained about their stolen phones and video, Kamyana placed a call.

"Sir," he said, "your men have snatched the journalists' DVs and telephones. You can erase the images, but please give them back to the journalists."

Nothing new then. Just the same stuff regurgitated.

Thanks for this bit.

"The British newspaper The Observer visited this village and reported Sunday that it obtained voter rolls showing the names Qasab reportedly told Indian authorities were his parents'. Village authorities told the Tribune that the couple did not exist."

Alright. So Kasab told the Indian police his parents names were Noor and Amir allegedly. Then the reporter finds that there is a Noor and Amir living in Faridkot. What does this prove? That the Indians have access to the names of people on the public electoral roll perhaps? Or perhaps Kasab really is telling it like it is? The point is this is just allegations, not proof.

You're simply repeating the same stuff which doesnt constitute proof.
 
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