Capture Kabul, cripple Kashmir: Pakistan’s new two-faced war

[Killswitch]

Well, the response will continue to be:

Continued modernization, expansion of the military (artillery, F INSAS, AA defense, more IAF squadrons, etc.)

Continued infrastructure build up

Continued building of strategic relationships (Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, Afghanistan, Burma, etc.)


India needs to bide its time for now.

 

[Jackdaws]

Err - whose Gameplan? Nawaz wants peace, apparently Zardari wanted peace as well. This whole gameplan thing is a bit of a stretch in my opinion - there are far too many players in Pakistan and when their domestic interests are being harmed - they launch some attack on Indian soil to get a predictable reply from India. India too has domestic compulsions - they have to react a certain way. Look at the Congress - they themselves understand that the recent attack was probably orchestrated by the Pak military to discredit the civilian leadership. But they can't just take it - the opposition is already pillorying them. There is only one way out - start preparing your respective populations to accept the LoC as International Border with the caveat to allow Kashmiris to travel on either side. It is a no-brainer. But it is not going to happen.

 

[Sergi]

Just like you said, i'm not much informed about your history with Pakistan. In deed, That's why posted here to get informed by other members.

Well if you want information from PDF members god bless you. Try unbiased sources

Few weaks ago @Penguin posted few links of think tank discussion "India-Pak-Afagan" , that would be a good start

A Deadly Triangle: Afghanistan, Pakistan and India | Brookings Institution


Battle for Afghanistan: Lessons from the First Anglo-Afghan War | Brookings Institution

Hope in 'A Deadly Triangle' of Afghanistan, Pakistan and India | Brookings Institution

Stephen P. Cohen | Brookings Institution


Original thread post#3
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/266088-west-s-blame-india-afghan-plan.html

 

[Tshering22]

Kabul is guarded&protected&led by Turkish marines&army (RC-C). So both sides, forget it lolol.


Back to topic, why would India or Pakistan bring the Kashmir issue even to Kabul...seems more like a conspiracy for me.

This might sound a bit james bond-ish and dramatized but the reason why there might be a genuine such attempt is because next year there are state elections and with the recent additional assistance pledge to Afghanistan, there is a growing insecurity in Pakistani military establishment.

I really hope that there's no casualty on your side too.

Brave soldiers will have to pay the price of one country's dystopian obsession.

Err - whose Gameplan? Nawaz wants peace, apparently Zardari wanted peace as well. This whole gameplan thing is a bit of a stretch in my opinion - there are far too many players in Pakistan and when their domestic interests are being harmed - they launch some attack on Indian soil to get a predictable reply from India. India too has domestic compulsions - they have to react a certain way. Look at the Congress - they themselves understand that the recent attack was probably orchestrated by the Pak military to discredit the civilian leadership. But they can't just take it - the opposition is already pillorying them. There is only one way out - start preparing your respective populations to accept the LoC as International Border with the caveat to allow Kashmiris to travel on either side. It is a no-brainer. But it is not going to happen.

Does it look as if either Sharif or Zardari were ever in proper power?

Do you really think that they can override Kayani or ISI beyond a limit?

No the can't.

Because Pakistan doesn't function the way we do; here the military is oppressed by nepotic babus while there the Army calls all the political shots.

 

[surya kiran]

@Abingdonboy got about 1,800 troops in there. 7th largest contribution. Not to mention the helicopter squadron. And we currently lead Regional Command- Capital. We led the isaf it self three times. But That's not our point of course.

Just like you said, i'm not much informed about your history with Pakistan. In deed, That's why posted here to get informed by other members.

Welcome to the biggest blood feud, this side of WW-2. And in the next 1 year, you will see the complications of having to deal with an increasingly militant Taliban backed by the GoP.

I hope, you are aware of the brain dead concept of 'strategic depth', if you wish to remain in Afghanistan. Any attempt to help or present a secular Turkey model in Afghanistan will be met with stiff resistance by the GoP.

I will not be surprised, over the next 2 years, we see an increasingly aggressive Indian involvement in Balochistan and Karachi, if problems in Kashmir intensify. What a few Pakistanis tend to misunderstand, is that the Gujral doctrine has been abandoned and an increasingly aggressive stance has been taken by the GoI post 1999 vis-a-vis Pakistan.

 

[Neptune]

Welcome to the biggest blood feud, this side of WW-2. And in the next 1 year, you will see the complications of having to deal with an increasingly militant Taliban backed by the GoP.

I hope, you are aware of the brain dead concept of 'strategic depth', if you wish to remain in Afghanistan. Any attempt to help or present a secular Turkey model in Afghanistan will be met with stiff resistance by the GoP.

I will not be surprised, over the next 2 years, we see an increasingly aggressive Indian involvement in Balochistan and Karachi, if problems in Kashmir intensify. What a few Pakistanis tend to misunderstand, is that the Gujral doctrine has been abandoned and an increasingly aggressive stance has been taken by the GoI post 1999 vis-a-vis Pakistan.

and the saddest part is, we're gonna stay in among with Germany, Italy, US

 

[INDIC]

Just like you said, i'm not much informed about your history with Pakistan. In deed, That's why posted here to get informed by other members.

Pakistan has bad feud with both India and Afghanistan since 1947, it was normal only with Iran. Afghanistan don't recognize Durand Line and wanted back Pashtun majority areas of Pakistan which British incorporated in British India during the great game with the Russian Empire . However, the Soviet invasion, civil war etc. made Afghanistan extremely weak. Taliban had support of Pakistan and they were anti-India. They helped Pakistan to train terror groups during Kashmir insurgency, our troops had even fought Chechens in Kashmir. Pakistan also fear two front confrontation from India and Afghanistan, so they wish for strategic depth in Afghanistan.

 

[Kompromat]

Kabul is guarded&protected&led by Turkish marines&army (RC-C). So both sides, forget it lolol.


Back to topic, why would India or Pakistan bring the Kashmir issue even to Kabul...seems more like a conspiracy for me.

Most of these fools don't know what Pakistan's game plan is, they claim to know though. We play our cards close to the chest, we will do everything to contain Indian subversion in Afghanistan, even if it means extending the war.

Indian keyboard elite thinks that it can achieve with 2 billion dollars what 2 superpowers failed to achieve with humanity's largest,most destructive military machines, trillions of dollars and world's largest most powerful propaganda machine for over 2 decades. Their flights of the fantasy work in our favor. I was hoping to see some Indian boots on Afghan soil, im not pleased so far.

 

[MilSpec]

Most of these fools don't know what Pakistan's game plan is, they claim to know though. We play our cards close to the chest, we will do everything to contain Indian subversion in Afghanistan, even if it means extending the war.

Indian keyboard elite thinks that it can achieve with 2 billion dollars which 2 superpowers failed to achieve with humanity's largest,most destructive military machines, trillions of dollars and world's largest most powerful propaganda machine for over 2 decades. I was hoping to see some Indian boots on Afghan soil, im not pleased so far.

Boots on soil will not happen... ever. So what according to you is Indian subversion.... There was no indian involvement from 94 till collapse of taliban, Pakistan had good relation with taliban, how beneficial was that period for pakistan or afghanistan?

And indeed Indian monetary assistance will go a long way, because we are not building military bases there, and neither do we feature $200 slice of cake for troops there, our aid is building schools, roads, hospitals and colleges and yes it will indeed do what two super powers failed to do, aid afghans in improving their and their children's quality of life.

 

[surya kiran]

Most of these fools don't know what Pakistan's game plan is, they claim to know though. We play our cards close to the chest, we will do everything to contain Indian subversion in Afghanistan, even if it means extending the war.

And this, precisely, is the reason why the Indian agencies have abandoned the Gujral doctrine. Maun Mohan Singh is the last PM of India who is going to have a wish for a Nobel peace prize.

 

[Mercenary]

Sounds like something Zaid Hamid would come up with.

 

[mastaan]

Kya bakar hei.. why do the war honking boys don't realize that he next talib-indo insurgency would have far sinister consequence for Pakistan and a volatile west would not be an idea solution anyways (even if Indian civil initiatives and NATO military initiatives are thrown out)... You guys will lose far more...

For India, though this fanous 2014 would not be any different from any other year and in the worst case, if all these crazy hallicinated men walk into closer to LOC and threaten to hurt the peace in valley, do you even realize, how much time it will take for center to establish president's rule again in J&K?

In 1991, Govt f'ed up and did not anticipate... Today, there is war fatigue amonst locals, lower local suport for extremists and a far bigger and more ready Indian Army contingent is present there... I seriously don't know what you guys are eating or snuffing to come up with such random ideas...