Capital Talk - Imran Khan, Brian Katulis

[PakShaheen79]

Kandahar - Allowing safe passage to known terrorists lodged in Indian Jails. Was that a favor to India?

Who is bombing Indian Embassies in Afghanistan? Does that not count as act of terrorism?

Talibans hanged Najib from a lamp post (or whatever that was). Do we see that barbarism in others?

If ever Taliban (re)gain power in Afghanistan, it would be because of the warped 'strategic interests of and help from Pakistan. Average Afghani would lothe them.

And what is your proof for that??

 

[PakShaheen79]

they are terrorist because they kill their own people and destroy afghanistan. just today we had another blast in kabul killing 8 civilians and injuring more than 40. Who else is fighting in Afghanistan for power? i dont know anybody.

And what Afghanistan was before Taliban came to power? Country was destroyed a long before that. I don't know who is fighting for power but i do know who is fighting to push foreign occupation forces away ... Not a single Afghani was involved in 9/11.

 

[Comet]

they are terrorist because they kill their own people and destroy afghanistan. just today we had another blast in kabul killing 8 civilians and injuring more than 40. Whoelse is fighting in Afghanistan for power? i dont know anybody.

I think PakShaheen79 gave you the answer you were looking for. The fact of the matter is that Taliban are not alone responsible for Afghanistan's situation. Other groups also played their part.

 

[Comet]

Kandahar - Allowing safe passage to known terrorists lodged in Indian Jails. Was that a favor to India?

Who is bombing Indian Embassies in Afghanistan? Does that not count as act of terrorism?

Talibans hanged Najib from a lamp post (or whatever that was). Do we see that barbarism in others?

If ever Taliban (re)gain power in Afghanistan, it would be because of the warped 'strategic interests of and help from Pakistan. Average Afghani would lothe them.

That is nothing. Rasheed Dostum used to bury people alive.

The thing is Afghanistan is attacked and the people there are retaliating. And by labeling them terrorist, one cannot achieve any thing but deceive himself.

 

[BlackSonic]

Well I have to differentiate if there is a difference.
How did you find Afghan Taliban terrorist? I can't recall the last time Taliban did something bad with India.

Well there you go friend. Just because Taliban didn't do anything bad against doesn't mean that we do not consider them as terrorist. Or we should wait for them to do something bad against India to consider them terrorist?????

Afghan Taliban were unable to hold all the Afghanistan before 9-11 Now, they have enough power to hold provinces despite the fact that there is American and NATO presence in the country. For me, Taliban today are not the old Taliban. The definition has changed. These people are fighting for their country. Mark my word, the day US leaves Afghanistan Taliban will again be at same power as they were before 9-11. The people fighting for Afghanistan are not all Taliban by definition.

As far war in Afghanistan is concerned... I think it is you who need to check Afghan history a bit. Doesn't matter how much Afghan fights each otehr whenever there is a FOREIGN invasion they come togather and that perhaps the reason why US / NATO are in a fix. Whole thrust is on Taliban but what about Hikmatyar's Hizb-e-Islami? who happened to be an enemy of Taliban previously.

Here is my little and tiny info about Taliban and afghan before 9/11:-
1.Taliban Banned flying kites in Afghan
2. Movies, music T.v etc. were banned
3.Condition of women in Afghan was horrible
4.There was no law and order, elections were banned.
5. Hanging people in public was really common.
And etc. etc.

SO yes I do consider them as terrorist even though they didn't do anything bad against India.

Even if you don't want to consider them as terrorist but PLEASE do not consider them as freedom fighters.

And what is this FOREIGN invasion???????

 

[Panditji]

That is nothing. Rasheed Dostum used to bury people alive.

Could you provide a reference please?

 

[Ahmad]

And what Afghanistan was before Taliban came to power? Country was destroyed a long before that. I don't know who is fighting for power but i do know who is fighting to push foreign occupation forces away ... Not a single Afghani was involved in 9/11.

Yes, afghanistan has been caught in this proxy war(not their own war though) for the last 30 years or so.

 

[Ahmad]

I think PakShaheen79 gave you the answer you were looking for. The fact of the matter is that Taliban are not alone responsible for Afghanistan's situation. Other groups also played their part.

No he didnt give me the answer. Tell me who else is fighting for power? And also, I never said that the Taliban are alone for messing up Afghanistan, but right now they are the only ones who are destroying afghanistan.

 

[Ahmad]

Could you provide a reference please?

I dont think Rashid Dostum burried people alive, but there is no doubt that he is criminal just like his brother Mullah Omar. He has also done alot of killing.

 

[AliFarooq]

Go through the complete clip - You will find Imran talking through both his ends -

When talking about Taliban and US forces, he says "that region contains 1.5 million people with weapons - how is the US going to win and contain them", and just next minute, hoping that the TV audience memory is short, he says about the threat of Taliban taking over Pakistan "How can Taliban take over Pakistan? There are 700,0000 army personnel in Pakistan, and the Talibans are just 10 to 15 thousand".

He should make up his own mind first, and then open his mouth. Otherwise with leaders like this, Pakistan is sure to land right in the middle of nowhere.

You have no idea what hes talking about.
The region as in afghanistan has 1.5 million people with weapons.

When pakistan has only 10 to 15 thousand.

 

[Ahmad]

Well there you go friend. Just because Taliban didn't do anything bad against doesn't mean that we do not consider them as terrorist. Or we should wait for them to do something bad against India to consider them terrorist?????





Here is my little and tiny info about Taliban and afghan before 9/11:-
1.Taliban Banned flying kites in Afghan
2. Movies, music T.v etc. were banned
3.Condition of women in Afghan was horrible
4.There was no law and order, elections were banned.
5. Hanging people in public was really common.
And etc. etc.

SO yes I do consider them as terrorist even though they didn't do anything bad against India.

Even if you don't want to consider them as terrorist but PLEASE do not consider them as freedom fighters.

And what is this FOREIGN invasion???????

The taliban have done horrible things. They used to destroy the whole cities and villages, alot of masacars. yes, they might be good for pakistan because they(the taliban) are an asset to them in this proxy war.

 

[RazorMC]

Unfortunately Afghanistan has been under continuous proxy wars by other countries. This has led to some really tough times for the Afghans.

btw Taliban were the legit govt in Afghanistan but they were removed by US. So they're fighting for their country's freedom... but I don't understand where TTP suddenly comes in and declares war on us... they're just criminals and want to defame Muslims around the world.

 

[Ahmad]

Unfortunately Afghanistan has been under continuous proxy wars by other countries. This has led to some really tough times for the Afghans.

Thanks for confirming the sad reality. And it is not just a TOUGH time, our nation and country have effectively been killed.


btw Taliban were the legit govt in Afghanistan but they were removed by US. So they're fighting for their country's freedom... but I don't understand where TTP suddenly comes in and declares war on us... they're just criminals and want to defame Muslims around the world.


do you say that the Taliban's gov was ligitimate? if you really mean this then i am very surprised by this claim. Their claim of fighting for freedom only had meaning if they werent puppets of paksitan. they try to win the country from americans and give it to pakistan.

 

[Comet]

Well there you go friend. Just because Taliban didn't do anything bad against doesn't mean that we do not consider them as terrorist. Or we should wait for them to do something bad against India to consider them terrorist?????

Well if some one hasn't done any thing wrong then calling them wrong just because they may do wrong is it self pretty wrong.

Here is my little and tiny info about Taliban and afghan before 9/11:-

1.Taliban Banned flying kites in Afghan

This is not Terrorism. Kites are banned in even Lahore.

2. Movies, music T.v etc. were banned

Well, you can call them conservative but not terrorists for that!

3.Condition of women in Afghan was horrible

It was horrible before Taliban time, it was horrible during Taliban time and it is still horrible. Its Afghanistan with very little litteracy rate, what do u expect. The society on the whole is responsible for situation of women.

4.There was no law and order, elections were banned.

As far as law and order is concerned, well it was better than the post-soviet pre-taliban time. and elections, yes there was no democracy. Does having no democracy means it is terrorism? you can call it dictatorship.

5. Hanging people in public was really common.
And etc. etc.

Same as above. It was there before, it was there during their time and it is still there.

SO yes I do consider them as terrorist even though they didn't do anything bad against India.

I think you should rethink.

Even if you don't want to consider them as terrorist but PLEASE do not consider them as freedom fighters.

Taliban is just a name given to all those people who are opposing Foreign Invasion by force.

And what is this FOREIGN invasion???????

Ever heard of a country called USA?


My point is that it is not wise to compare TTP and Taliban of Afghanistan. You have right to disagree. But the thing is Afghan Taliban are great in numbers ( because normal people are with them until USA is there) and TTP are small in numbers.

 

[Comet]

Could you provide a reference please?

I am unable to provide link at this time. These stories are old and I heard them from people who actually suffered. As I have lived in Quetta and there were a lot of Afghan Refugees.