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This is the most important question and I would want some answers from the Americans on this forum and perhaps it might explain to them what general feelings exist across Pakistan for them.
These are some facts about Pakistans relationship with America:
Nuclear deal with India: America has gone through with a nuclear deal with India.
Effects on Pakistan: This deal has been denied to its so called "Ally in the war on terror" Pakistan on several occasions and is just one example of how much "Love" America has for the Pakistani people and speaks of American double standards.
Why should India be eligible for this deal and not Pakistan and the Pakistani people on the other hand have to suffer load shedding for 10 hours a godamn day? Why should the sworn enemy of its ally be given preference over the ally itself.
Why did'nt Americans do this sort of thing in 1945 with Germany? Could have helped them win the war? Ofcourse they had other plans back then.
By doing this deal with India america has accepted India like a "Guardian of the sub-continent"
Effects on Iran: According to UN even though Iran may be planning to build nuclear weapons the Iranians do need to build nuclear power to meet their electricity needs.
The deal is seen as double dealing as India can se the deal with US to build centrifuges as well.
Effects on China: China understands well that this deal is to counter Chinese growth and influence in the region.
Airstrikes within Pakistan without Pakistans consent: Another issue remains Americas absolute unwillingness to respect its ally.
Pakistan is being treated as trash. By continuing these airstrikes America has proven that whatever Pakistan says is trash and all that matters is what America wants. The tribals who lose their loved ones direct their rage not at America but at Pakistan. According to them they view Taliban and America as equal. The issue remains America is unwilling to understand this.
The Americans are unlikely to win any war in this way without trusting the local people and without taking their own allies into confidence.
American inability to look into claims of Indian RAW involvement with the Tehreek E Taliban Pakistan: Though Pakistani media has often raised this topic and it is often discussed America is turning a blind eye.
It is impossible for a ragged band of murderers and killers to be waging a full flaring insurgency where they can launch devastating attacks any place any where and at any time they want. According to Mullah Umar himself Taliban can launch attacks with 500 kg explosives everyday which would result in death of 20 Pakistanis each day. The militants have C4 explosives, NOD's and certan equipment which has never been seen in the hands of an insurgent group in the entire life of Pakistan. This has been pointed out by various intelligence analysis groups brass tacks being one.
There is a general feeling that America itself is involved in destabilising Pakistan to increase its influence in the region. America has never been a good ally either to prove otherwise.
Americas inability to realize that Pakistan is suffering more to fight a war that has been brought to Pakistan because of the Americans themselves:
Though the current situation has helped the Pakistani people realize that the truth about the Taliban and understand how important it is to destroy them America is adamant to the fact that Pakistanis are being killed every single day fighting a war on their own soil. America has had the pleasure of fighting no single war on its own land. All America does is push Pakistan to do more as its people die daily. Pakistanis feel like a donkey being herded by a blind but angry retarded monster who is too powerful but doesn't know where he is going and what he actually wants.
Americas past record: America is known to use nations for its benefit and leave them to suffer the consequences after that. Pakistan has been dragged into Americas war by a series of threats. It is very unlikely that when the war on terror will end America will continue providing financial assistance to the people of Pakistan.
Afghanistan stands as a very perfect example. Instead of developing the nation after the war America left the nation in darkness to be ruled by the same idiots who over 600 million dollars had been used to spawn.
The Haqqani network being one such grouping. Jalaludding Haqani was a terrorist who even visited the whitehouse on the calling of American leader Ronald Reagan.
So:
Owing to all this no one trusts America and America is seen as a double dealing, back-stabbing untrustworthy nation that has done nothing but amplify the problems we face. If such are our allies then we dont need any enemies. Pakistan needs to take a stand here and we need to decide our own future.
To win this war it is also necesary the general public within Pakistan to view America and Pakistan not as freinds but Pakistan a sovereign state which practices its own might and right. For this every US plane or soldier that enters Pakistani territory be sent right back even if use of force becomes necessary.
Things will become easier if Americans withdraw from Afghanistan but it is unlikely as they have failed from the very beginning in pacifying the leaders of the taliban and al qaida. The brunt of their failure and lack of understanding is being faced by Pakistan who has been dragged into the war having to fight all of Americas enemies.
These are some facts about Pakistans relationship with America:
Nuclear deal with India: America has gone through with a nuclear deal with India.
Effects on Pakistan: This deal has been denied to its so called "Ally in the war on terror" Pakistan on several occasions and is just one example of how much "Love" America has for the Pakistani people and speaks of American double standards.
Why should India be eligible for this deal and not Pakistan and the Pakistani people on the other hand have to suffer load shedding for 10 hours a godamn day? Why should the sworn enemy of its ally be given preference over the ally itself.
Why did'nt Americans do this sort of thing in 1945 with Germany? Could have helped them win the war? Ofcourse they had other plans back then.
By doing this deal with India america has accepted India like a "Guardian of the sub-continent"
Effects on Iran: According to UN even though Iran may be planning to build nuclear weapons the Iranians do need to build nuclear power to meet their electricity needs.
The deal is seen as double dealing as India can se the deal with US to build centrifuges as well.
Effects on China: China understands well that this deal is to counter Chinese growth and influence in the region.
Airstrikes within Pakistan without Pakistans consent: Another issue remains Americas absolute unwillingness to respect its ally.
Pakistan is being treated as trash. By continuing these airstrikes America has proven that whatever Pakistan says is trash and all that matters is what America wants. The tribals who lose their loved ones direct their rage not at America but at Pakistan. According to them they view Taliban and America as equal. The issue remains America is unwilling to understand this.
The Americans are unlikely to win any war in this way without trusting the local people and without taking their own allies into confidence.
American inability to look into claims of Indian RAW involvement with the Tehreek E Taliban Pakistan: Though Pakistani media has often raised this topic and it is often discussed America is turning a blind eye.
It is impossible for a ragged band of murderers and killers to be waging a full flaring insurgency where they can launch devastating attacks any place any where and at any time they want. According to Mullah Umar himself Taliban can launch attacks with 500 kg explosives everyday which would result in death of 20 Pakistanis each day. The militants have C4 explosives, NOD's and certan equipment which has never been seen in the hands of an insurgent group in the entire life of Pakistan. This has been pointed out by various intelligence analysis groups brass tacks being one.
There is a general feeling that America itself is involved in destabilising Pakistan to increase its influence in the region. America has never been a good ally either to prove otherwise.
Americas inability to realize that Pakistan is suffering more to fight a war that has been brought to Pakistan because of the Americans themselves:
Though the current situation has helped the Pakistani people realize that the truth about the Taliban and understand how important it is to destroy them America is adamant to the fact that Pakistanis are being killed every single day fighting a war on their own soil. America has had the pleasure of fighting no single war on its own land. All America does is push Pakistan to do more as its people die daily. Pakistanis feel like a donkey being herded by a blind but angry retarded monster who is too powerful but doesn't know where he is going and what he actually wants.
Americas past record: America is known to use nations for its benefit and leave them to suffer the consequences after that. Pakistan has been dragged into Americas war by a series of threats. It is very unlikely that when the war on terror will end America will continue providing financial assistance to the people of Pakistan.
Afghanistan stands as a very perfect example. Instead of developing the nation after the war America left the nation in darkness to be ruled by the same idiots who over 600 million dollars had been used to spawn.
The Haqqani network being one such grouping. Jalaludding Haqani was a terrorist who even visited the whitehouse on the calling of American leader Ronald Reagan.
So:
Owing to all this no one trusts America and America is seen as a double dealing, back-stabbing untrustworthy nation that has done nothing but amplify the problems we face. If such are our allies then we dont need any enemies. Pakistan needs to take a stand here and we need to decide our own future.
To win this war it is also necesary the general public within Pakistan to view America and Pakistan not as freinds but Pakistan a sovereign state which practices its own might and right. For this every US plane or soldier that enters Pakistani territory be sent right back even if use of force becomes necessary.
Things will become easier if Americans withdraw from Afghanistan but it is unlikely as they have failed from the very beginning in pacifying the leaders of the taliban and al qaida. The brunt of their failure and lack of understanding is being faced by Pakistan who has been dragged into the war having to fight all of Americas enemies.
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