Can we trust Imran Khan?

[Edevelop]

Why the heck does Imran Khan want peace with India? He said a statement today. We should be smart enough to know that India is playing its cards to take our water messing up the Kashmir issue and having us fight the wrong so called terrorists, touching the Baluchistan movement, and using Afghanistan as a proxy war. Why are we the ones begging. This is total failure from Imran's political point of view and nothing like this should ever happen. On the other hand, we are having trade with India... and Imran supports that. What is this nonsense. What if we are having too much trade with india and if something like 26/11 happens again then won't our economy just collapse?

i think Indians like him as a cricketer and he should keep that in mind only. We must not under estimate Indians as they are very cunning and clever people. They still want a weak Pakistan.

Now he added Shah Mahmood Quraishi a feudal and a member of PPP. He is really disappointing me now.

He was against MQM and was putting a case on Altaf Hussain the murderer. What is he doing now? Is he backing away from that issue?

We should not forget that this guy owns a 300 canal land. What social reform can he bring? if he wants change then he must first bring change to himself first.

If he wants a good health care system then building one or two hospitals my not help. A full free health care system like Cuba, UK, Canada, Sweden should be implemented.

A lot of people in Pakisan, in fact 90% in my opinion are materialistic. We don't need BMWs, Mercedes, Apple MacBooks, iPhone, imported goods etc. We need to get rid of that. Can he bring this change?

IMO, we need socialism in Pakistan and democracy is not the solution. We need a proper revolution with blood shed. This is really important and every country goes through that to be successful. The middle concept of imran khan, Nawaz Sharrif, Zardari, Musharraf will not get us anywhere. We need someone like Mao, Hitler, Stalin.

What do you all think of these issues and solutions? Can we trust him to be the leader we want?

 

[53fd]

Peace with India is good for Pakistan, & for the region in general. Pakistan needs peace inside the country to achieve its outstanding potential. I like many things Imran Khan says (disagree with a few things), but he should not act as a figurehead of the PTI, the PTI must consist of a strong team made up of patriots, not of a figurehead. The PTI needs to prove itself, not Imran Khan.

 

[Omar1984]

I am no fan of India either, as you can tell by viewing my previous posts...but he is a responsible politician like Quaid-e-Azam and can not just tell Indians to their face that we will stay enemies forever.

Imran Khan is a Pakistani nationalist and will protect Pakistan's sovereignity at all cost. Maybe he will try to normalize relations with India but he wont make drastic moves like PPP did and granted Most Favored Nation status to India, or like Nawaz was proposing a visa-free open border with India, or like Altaf was proposing a confederation with India.

Besides, PTI's spokes person is Dr Shireen Mazari and we all read her views on India and America.

PTI wont be a pro-india political party.

 

[Mech]

@ the op,

what is the difference between democracy and socialism? ....lol...

@ omar...

-nothing-

 

[roadrunner]

saying you want peace with india is a good thing diplomatically, even if you don't.

both india and pakistan want peace, just on their terms (Pakistan wants plebiscite in Kashmir, India wants Kashmir part of India with no referendum).

 

[Edevelop]

@ the op,

what is the difference between democracy and socialism? ....lol...

@ omar...

-nothing-

I have seen this trend that when a country has democracy then it begins to fall under Capitalism trap.

 

[Mech]

I have seen this trend that when a country has democracy then it falls under Capitalism trap.

What you ought to have said is, "we need socialism, not capitalism". Democracy is something entirely different. The opposite of democracy is communism and dictatorship ( in ideology ).

 

[Edevelop]

Democracy is the process by which we get ourselves organized to perform capitalism. One imagines that in early times, human activity soon divided itself into two parts, again involving the substantive and the procedural: what we wish to do with our bodies each day and how we will collectively organize ourselves to do it. Capitalism is today's version of the what and democracy is the how.

The what and the how collaborate to an extent, then battle each other. Democracy and capitalism are like a lion and a bull pulling a sled together. The bond holding the substantive in balance to the procedural is always a fragile one. In our system of laws, this balance creates justice. Our most thoughtful judges know what the public does not, that substantive without procedural justice, for example, the lynching of a guilty man, is not justice. The converse is also true: careful process is not justice if it does not lead to a fair result. Means and ends, roads and endings, must be in harmony with each other.

Democracy and Capitalism

 

[third eye]

Been reading a great deal about IK of late . He appears to be ' next thing' in Pak politics.

Decades of interaction with Pak has taught India that there is no Pak leader who can buck the ISI / PA hold on politics in Pak. IK seems relevant simply because he has not been ' exposed' to the public in as much as that his party has hardly won any seats worth mentioning at any level therefore his ability to govern remains questionable. His profile remains restricted to speeches only.

In any case as in all marriages only after the ' mehndi' fades off does one know how well the new bride can cook till then everything is Hunky Dory.

 

[Mech]

Instead of referring us to some site, why dont you look it up on your social studies/civics text?

 

[shuntmaster]

I have seen this trend that when a country has democracy then it begins to fall under Capitalism trap.

Not necessarily. China has capitalistic economic system, with communist political system.
India had a socialistic economic system for most of its history, even though it was a democracy throughout.

 

[53fd]

Imran Khan's campaign should not be aimed at to win the elections only, but more importantly, one that is capable of progressing Pakistan (this comes with an able team on his side at the PTI).

 

[Edevelop]

I think peace with India should only be made when the Kashmir issue and the water issue is solved. But doing everything now is pointless. These trades, most favoured nation awards will no last long for both countries.