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It's just all speculation..The fact is had china decided to provide us Nuclear Weapons we would not sending hundreds of agents all over the world to buy nuclear material from underground market required to build bombs.There is no credible proof except so called internet experts.
 
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And, once again, you Indians need to shed your paranoia. Everytime anybody becomes friends, you assume it is aimed against you.

China and Pakistan, China and Sri Lanka, China and Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka -- everything is big conspiracy against poor little India...:rofl:

I didnt get u my friend, if that was the case then why Pakistan is feard about India-Afghanistan friendship??:rolleyes:
 
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I didnt get u my friend, if that was the case then why Pakistan is feard about India-Afghanistan friendship??:rolleyes:

Because we believe Indian 'consulates' in Afghanistan are funding insurgent movements within Pakistan.

And because your puppet-dork Karzai has double-crossed us and gone back on his word far too many times.
 
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Because we believe Indian 'consulates' in Afghanistan are funding insurgent movements within Pakistan.

And because your puppet-dork Karzai has double-crossed us and gone back on his word far too many times.

you believe huh?. we cant help u there mate.:lol:. Your belief would not be valid untill it is prooven. so far no proof!
 
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you believe huh?. we cant help u there mate.:lol:

Pakistan doesn't always release all their intel to newspapers.
Sometimes it is better not to expose the enemy agents and let them think they are operating undetected.
 
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Hi Indian friends now I am at Mumbai India.

I am a Sri Lankan. From Sri Lanka, I came to Mumbai India with my Chinese Business partners from Shanghai China to promote a long term business expansion with Indian companies.

Monday (Tomorrow) we will sign business agreements with Indian Companies.

From next week Me & Sri Lankan & Chinese business team, we will travel across India with our Indian business partner for business enlargement across India.

Can any one here from India tell me nice places to visit in India?
 
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Dear Indian friends,this is a girl from China and located near Shanghai. Due to business enlargement, I plan come to India next year to look for the real market situation.

We do fertilizer business, and I got to know Indian is the most important import market for this product.

To be frank, there are truely some disputes between India and China, but I can't understand why these 2 countries regard each other as enemy? Why can't we(also including Pakistan) be good friends? I have seen an Indian student come to practice in our company, very nice and polite. I will not say any bad word to these countries, an Indian company wants to join-venture to our company, my boss worry the political situation will affect our business,I think it's very stupid.

How do you think about that? My Indian friends?

I don't think this enemity is that deep as it is portrayed. There are lot of chinese companies in india. One being huwavie, they have won lot of government contracts in india. Its just that if people mind their own business and spends less time in propogating, there isnt any issue with china and india, and our relationship luckily is not arunachal centric, unlike with pakistan.

I am sure you wont face any issue here in india, if your product is good and you know how to bribe the babus' ;)
 
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Pakistan doesn't always release all their intel to newspapers.
Sometimes it is better not to expose the enemy agents and let them think they are operating undetected.

Exactlly!!!!, if pakistan doesnt release their intels to newspapers and keep it confidential, then in what basis u r claiming India is promoting insurgency aginst Pakistan. no proof nobody buy it.
 
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China provided NEUCLEAR WEAPEONS to Pakistan?

LINK please or you will be just another Indian spreading B.S.


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The Strategic Implications Of China's nuclear Aid To Pakistan


by Richard D. Fisher and John T. Dori
Executive Memorandum #532
China's role in helping Pakistan to acquire nuclear weapons has raised serious concerns about China's part in fostering instability in South Asia. The disturbing strategic implications spill over even to the Middle East. It is essential that policymakers in the United States examine these implications carefully in order to craft an effective response.

CHINA'S NUCLEAR AND MISSILE PROLIFERATION

Since the 1970s, China has been instrumental in Pakistan's nuclear and missile programs. China provided Pakistan with highly enriched uranium, ring magnets necessary for processing the uranium, and education for nuclear engineers. Pakistan's nuclear bomb, in fact, is widely believed to be based on Chinese blueprints. Worse, in 1990 and 1992, China provided Pakistan with nuclear-capable M-11 missiles that have a range of 186 miles. China reportedly has provided the technology for Pakistan to build a missile that could strike targets within a 360-mile range.

Outside the region, and of perhaps greater immediate significance to the United States, China has been assisting Middle Eastern states with missile and nuclear programs. In 1988, China sold Saudi Arabia 50 to 60 1,200-mile-range DF-3 missiles. China has provided ballistic missile technology to Iran as well as other lethal technologies. In 1996, Iran received China's 72-mile-range C-802 antiship missiles, which is a threat to U.S. ships in the Persian Gulf and potential source of know-how for building longer-range cruise missiles. China also is believed to have given Iran technology that could help that country's nuclear weapons program.

THE STRATEGIC IMPLICATIONS

The strategic implications of China's nuclear proliferation are very troubling. They include:

A New South Asian Arms Race
A dangerously destabilizing arms race is developing among India, Pakistan, and China. China's deep involvement with Pakistan's nuclear program contributed to the new Indian government's decision to test nuclear weapons last month. Greater anxiety about China may convince India to build more nuclear weapons than it would need if its primary concern were Pakistan alone. A buildup by India could prompt China to do likewise to restore its relative superiority, increasing the likelihood of an upwardly spiraling arms race.

Possible Nuclear War in South Asia
By promoting a new nuclear arms race, China has helped increase the risks of nuclear war in South Asia. Pakistan is much poorer than India, and its air and ground forces are smaller. It is unlikely that Pakistan could match India's expenditures for nuclear and missile weapons. Because India will continue to grow in strength relative to Pakistan, there may be pressure for Pakistan to strike sooner. India is aware of this possibility and is likely to choose to put its nuclear forces in a hair-trigger, "use-them-or-lose-them" posture. India and Pakistan, moreover, are inexperienced in nuclear operations and have no developed nuclear doctrines. Add to this volatile mix the highly emotional religious, cultural, and national differences that have divided India and Pakistan since their founding. War could begin over the long-disputed province of Kashmir, and could escalate rapidly from a conventional conflict to an actual nuclear exchange.

Spreading Nuclear Instability to the Middle East
By helping Pakistan's nuclear program, China has spread instability outside of South Asia. To its credit, Pakistan thus far has expressed no inclination to proliferate nuclear technology further. But the praise for Pakistan's nuclear achievement by radical Islamic leaders highlights fears of more "Islamic bombs." For example, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, spiritual leader of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, hailed Pakistan's nuclear tests as an "asset to the Arab and Muslim nations." Iran's foreign minister, Kamal Kharrazi, praised Pakistan's weapons achievement as a potential deterrent to Israel's presumed nuclear capability, and went on to say, "From all over the world, Muslims are happy that Pakistan has this capability." And Sheik Hayyan Idrisi of Jerusalem's Al-Aqsa Mosque went so far as to proclaim that "The Pakistani nuclear bomb is the beginning of the resurgence of Islamic power."

More threats to, and less diplomatic leverage for, the United States
China's role in the new South Asian nuclear missile arms race creates potential dangers for the United States in the Middle East and Asia. A nuclear attack on Pakistan, for example, would energize radical Muslims, and very likely would spur the nuclear weapon programs of Iran and Libya. In an attempt to counter Iran and build influence with China, Saudi Arabia may decide to buy new Chinese ballistic or cruise missiles to replace its aging, Chinese-made DF-3 missiles. This could undermine U.S. strategic leverage with Saudi Arabia. In Asia, China may be prompted to develop new and more accurate missiles to target India's nuclear facilities and missile forces. These new Chinese missiles also could threaten U.S. forces in Asia, as well as Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. Ultimately, China's desire for more accurate regional missiles could lead to its building more accurate intercontinental missiles. With these long-range missiles in its arsenal, China might consider shifting its strategic doctrine from one of nuclear retaliation against cities with a small missile force to one that targets a larger number of military targets in the United States. The United States lacks missile defense systems to protect itself, its allies, or its friends.

CONCLUSION

In the run-up to the June Sino-U.S. summit, the Clinton Administration has promoted the notion of a "strategic partnership" between China and the United States. China's irresponsible assistance to Pakistan's nuclear and missile programs, however, defeats the promise of any such partnership. To the contrary, China's nuclear and missile aid to Pakistan has ratcheted up tensions across the subcontinent, sparked a dangerous arms race, and increased the prospect of a nuclear war. At the summit, President Clinton should tell China's leaders that a successful "partnership" with the United States will require that they now reverse the dangers they helped to create. President Clinton also should declare that China's nuclear and missile proliferation requires that the United States build a missile defense system that will protect Americans and help to make nuclear missiles obsolete.

Richard D. Fisher is Senior Policy Analyst in the Asian Studies Center of The Heritage Foundation.

John T. Dori is a Research Associate in the Asian Studies Center of The Heritage Foundation.


Pakistan Nuclear Weapons: A Brief History of Pakistan's Nuclear Program

Foreign Assistance

In the past, China played a major role in the development of Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure, especially when increasingly stringent export controls in western countries made it difficult for Pakistan to acquire materials and technology elsewhere. According to a 2001 Department of Defense report, China has supplied Pakistan with nuclear materials and expertise and has provided critical assistance in the construction of Pakistan's nuclear facilities.

In the 1990s, China designed and supplied the heavy water Khusab reactor, which plays a key role in Pakistan's production of plutonium. A subsidiary of the China National Nuclear Corporation also contributed to Pakistan's efforts to expand its uranium enrichment capabilities by providing 5,000 custom made ring magnets, which are a key component of the bearings that facilitate the high-speed rotation of centrifuges.

According to Anthony Cordesman of CSIS, China is also reported to have provided Pakistan with the design of one of its warheads, which is relatively sophisticated in design and lighter than U.S. and Soviet designed first generation warheads.

China also provided technical and material support in the completion of the Chasma nuclear power reactor and plutonium reprocessing facility, which was built in the mid 1990s. The project had been initiated as a cooperative program with France, but Pakistan's failure to sign the NPT and unwillingness to accept IAEA safeguards on its entire nuclear program caused France to terminate assistance.

According to the Defense Department report cited above, Pakistan has also acquired nuclear related and dual-use and equipment and materials from the Former Soviet Union and Western Europe.
 
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China-Pakistan Nuclear co-operation

For release 5 March 2004
For further information Contact
William Burr: 202/994-7032

Declassified Documents Show That, For Over Fifteen Years,
Beijing Rebuffed U.S. Queries on Chinese Aid to Pakistani Nuclear Program

Click here to go directly to the documents

Washington D.C., 5 March 2004 - Over the course of three presidential administrations, U.S. governmental officials repeatedly pressed the Chinese government to explain whether it was providing any assistance to Pakistan in the nuclear weapons field, but Chinese officials responded with denials and equivocation. New evidence from Libya of Chinese-language material among the nuclear weapons-design documents supplied by Pakistan raises new questions about the Chinese contribution to Pakistan's nuclear proliferation activities. Exactly what the U.S. government knew and when it knew it remains highly secret in closed intelligence files, but the newly available diplomatic record shows:

U.S. unease over secret China-Pakistan security and military cooperation during the late 1960s
Chinese assistance to Pakistani nuclear-weapons related projects in 1977
the refusal by Chinese diplomats in 1982 to give an "unequivocal answer" to queries about nuclear weapons aid to Pakistan
the conclusion reached by State Department analysts in 1983 that China was assisting with the production of fissile materials and possibly with the design of weapons
the George H. W. Bush administration's concern in 1989 over "reports of Chinese assistance to Pakistan's nuclear weapons program"
denials by Chinese diplomats that same year of reports of Chinese nuclear aid to Pakistan
U.S. pressure on China in 1992 to impose full-scope safeguards on the sale of a nuclear reactor to Pakistan because of proliferation concerns
more disquiet (late 1992) over China's "continuing activities with Pakistan's nuclear weapons programs"
the Clinton administration's 1997 certification of improvements in Beijing's nuclear proliferation policies
The extent to which Chinese government agencies actually assisted the Pakistani nuclear weapons program remains conjectural. The Chinese Foreign Ministry has announced an investigation into the latest charges as well as strengthened commitment to the nonproliferation system. "A decision by the Foreign Ministry to publicize the results of its investigation would be a great victory for transparency although Beijing is more likely to sustain the secrecy surrounding its decisions on the Pakistani nuclear program," said William Burr, director of the National Security Archive's Nuclear Documentation Project.
 
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China behind Pak atomic bomb
''China gave Pakistan nearly everything it needed to make its first atomic bomb.''

''Beijing is also helping to build a plant to produce M-11 missiles in Pakistan. If the Chinese continue to help at the present rate, the plant could be ready for missile production within a year.''

Disclosing this to the Senate foreign relations committee, a leading US arms control expert has presented a paper listing details of the Chinese assistance to Pakistan's nuclear weapons and missile programmes in the last 17 years.

Professor Gary Milhollin, director, Wisconsin project on nuclear arms control, told the committee that China gave Pakistan a tested nuclear weapons design and enough high-enriched uranium fuel in the early 1980s.

China also helped Pakistan produce high-enriched uranium with gas centrifuges, he said. More recently, it had helped Pakistan build a reactor to produce plutonium and tritium for nuclear weapons besides playing a key role in increasing the number of its centrifuges so that it could boost Islambad's high-enriched uranium production.

He said the most recent Chinese export was of specialised ring magnets, which are used in the suspension bearings of gas centrifuge rotors. The sale was revealed in early 1996. The magnets were shipped directly to a secret nuclear weapon production site in Pakistan.

''In my opinion, this export violated China's pledge under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which it joined in 1992,'' said Professor Milhollin of the University of Wisconsin Law School.

Determining that China had violated the US missile sanctions law a second time, Washington applied sanctions for two years in 1993. A year later, the United States lifted the sanctions, when China pledged once more to stop its missile sales and comply with the Missile Technology Control Regime. The missile exports, however, continued, he added.

Professor Milhollin said US satellites and human intelligence had watched missile technicians travel back and forth between Beijing and Islamabad and had also watched steady transfers of missile-related equipment. ''US officials say China's missile exports continue till the present moment,'' he added.

US officials, he said, had learned that they were duped in 1992 and 1994 . ''It is clear that China has not complied with the MTCR in the past, that it is not complying now, and that it probably never will comply unless something happens to change China's attitude on this question.

The US government is concerned that Pakistani scientists might receive nuclear weapon-related information through their visits to the Chinese Academy of Engineering Physics, he said. The academy designs nuclear weapons.

Besides Professor Milhollin, other experts -- Paul H Nitze School of Advanced International Studies dean Paul Wolfowitz, Institute for Global Chinese Affairs director James R Lilley and East Asia non-proliferation project director, Dr Bates Gill -- who appeared before the Senate panel also voiced concern over China's role in the proliferation of mass destruction weapons.

Following is the chart depicting what Professor Milhollin calls China's dangerous exports to Pakistan:

1980 to 1984: Supplies nuclear bomb design and its fuel; helps build Hatf missiles; helps with gas centrifuges to enrich uranium.

1985 to 1989: Agrees to sell tritium gas to boost the yield of fission bombs; ships equipment for M-11 nuclear capable missiles; starts building a 300 mw nuclear reactor at Chashma in spite of de facto international supply embargo.

1990 to 1997:: Secretly delivers more M-11 components; trains Pakistani nuclear technicians in China; continues to deliver components for M-11 missiles; supplies more than 30 M-11 missiles at Sargodha air force base near Lahore; helps build a secret 50-70 mw plutonium production reactor at Khusab, and nearby fuel fabrication or reprocessing plant; supplies blueprints and equipment for a missile factory near Rawalpindi, now under construction; supplies ring magnets used in gas centrifuges to enrich uranium; supplies heavy water to Kanupp nuclear reactor; sells a high-tech furnace and diagnostic equipment with military applications; ships rocket fuel, seized en route in Hong Kong; agrees to build Chashma-2, a second 300 mw nuclear reactor.

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compare Pakistan to Taiwan ? you are fooling yourself,Pakitan is a country,you go to check how many country recognize Taiwan as a country

Hmm. so whats your point?
How does it matter how many countries recognize Taiwan? Its still a place which exists... And China has problems with this place called Taiwan. If India wanted to create mischief to China, like China did to India, it could use Taiwan.. Or other countries which China has problems with. Like Vietnam, Japan even Mongolia.
Yeah. Mongolia.... I have been to Mongolia & know Mongolians hate Chinese like none else, because of their past history.
 
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China provided NEUCLEAR WEAPEONS to Pakistan?

LINK please or you will be just another Indian spreading B.S.


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OK. you asked for LINK and I have provided you with many. So who is BS'ing now?
 
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are you suggesting that china should support every separatist in india?

india is not US,your list is way much longer than ours,you want china play dirt like india?you are no way close to our level if we make that decision

I doubt if Pakistan and China would ever be friendly to India.Even if,
-Kashmir is resolved to Pakistan's satisfaction
- AP is given by India to China

The anti-India bias not only in these two countries is all pervasive (in terms of culture, political systems, intentions...). They dont have any 'respect' for Indians and therefore India...You could easily include Srilanka, Bangladesh to this list.While Indians are flawed and has many issues and problems (societal, social, economiuc, political), this animosity to Indians means it will be difficult if not impossible to resolve these issues....Lot of these perceptions seem to be racist in their overtones...

While Im no fan of Amercians, but it seems to be a rare country that seems to allow every race...some sort of an opportunity (even if its not equal)...its sad that its in decline and there attitudes are also changing...

So..there is...no hope
 
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