Can Turkey become a "Superpower"?

[Mr.Nair]

Dude yoga and Indian movies aren't going to give you the soft power for being a superpower.

A super power means, one is powerful in every sense,US is powerful in almost all sense except they don't have long history.They can project hollywood as an important tool and one of their influence in world population.They have strong medias so to deliver what world should have to believe, even though their actions not favour in many parts of the world.Its called information warfare...

By the way i am not telling India is a superpower, but potential to become a very powerful country.No lone superpower country in this world after 10-20 years, its more a multipolar world..

 

[Cthulhu]

A super power means, one is powerful in every sense,US is powerful in almost all sense except they don't have long history.They can project hollywood as an important tool and one of their influence in world population.They have strong medias so to deliver what world should have to believe, even though their actions not favour in many parts of the world.Its called information warfare...

By the way i am not telling India is a superpower, but potential to become a very powerful country.No lone superpower country in this world after 10-20 years, its more a multipolar world..

I know what super power means, you don't need to explain it to me. And if you was realistic to yourself, you'd know that India, not even China don't have what it takes to be a super power.

 

[Mr.Nair]

I know what super power means, you don't need to explain it to me. And if you was realistic to yourself, you'd know that India, not even China don't have what it takes to be a super power.

I don't understand on what basis you assume that i mentioned India as a super power buddy, i was just mentioning where India stands vs Turkey, when the guy is making fun of India as Turkey is more powerful than India.You have to view whole discussion and judge and not bit by bit, what one told and then come in conclusion !

 

[Mr.Nair]

http://www.pwc.com/gx/en/issues/economy/the-world-in-2050.html#keyprojections

Suggest long projections are difficult to predict, but interesting....

 

[damm1t]

http://www.pwc.com/gx/en/issues/economy/the-world-in-2050.html#keyprojections

Suggest long projections are difficult to predict, but interesting....

Better don't take everyone serious

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Instead of making bluff statements, where is your countries rank on above parameters?

Never bragged about superpower status. All I want Pak to do is feed everybody and provide a roof to everybody. Something you in India need to do more than even Pak, instead of shatting about supapowa status. Because right now your are supawa but all in the wrong parameters. And you know that.

 

[blondeturkish]

i would rather be iswitzerland. or finland kind than being a super power.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

i would rather be iswitzerland. or finland kind than being a super power.

I agree. I would rather be a citizen of a tiny country like Luxembourg with very high living standard and quality of life for all citizens rather than a 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 starving, puking mass of a dump but because of the number of zeros it has a big footprint. Supapwa can take a hike !

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

I agree. I would rather be a citizen of a tiny country like Luxembourg with very high living standard and quality of life for all citizens rather than a 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 starving, puking mass of a dump but because of the number of zeros it has a big footprint. Supapwa can take a hike !

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Pak Civlisation only needs to Revive and Connect with its unbroken Past to have a Future...

Have you ever seeen a complete composite of a Civilisation in the timeframe of one of your own Civilisational outputs... Indus Valley that is...

I mean just look at the planning and hygine of your ancient world.... the sheer thought process that created this composite is worth far more adulation than the product itself.

(Don't let the indians steal your heritage, my friend!)

Pak just needs to become what it is....age of Super powers is dead.

The US is first and the last of this unique occurance... the only real super power.

Turks must focus on being first and far most...keeeping their nation state intact should be their only priority for the next decade...

Good luck with your new project!

 

[Baybars Han]

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Pak Civlisation only needs to Revive and Connect with its unbroken Past to have a Future...

Have you ever seeen a complete composite of a Civilisation in the timeframe of one of your own Civilisational outputs... Indus Valley that is...

I mean just look at the planning and hygine of your ancient world.... the sheer thought process that created this composite is worth far more adulation than the product itself.

(Don't let the indians steal your heritage, my friend!)

Pak just needs to become what it is....age of Super powers is dead.

The US is first and the last of this unique occurance... the only real super power.

Turks must focus on being first and far most...keeeping their nation state intact should be their only priority for the next decade...

Good luck with your new project!

What do you mean keeping their nation state intact? Are you confusing with Syria or Iraq?

 

[gslv mk3]

india is poor country.(GDP per capita like 1,000 dollars)
india largest weapons importer(imports most weapons)

GDP per capita doesn't matter much when it comes to comparing nations
India has a large MIC which it is building up right now- we have attained self-sufficiency in quite a few weapon sysems. It's just a matter of time.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

What do you mean keeping their nation state intact? Are you confusing with Syria or Iraq?

My dear friend,

From within and without many challenges and growing threats....

A powerful, regional actor (Turkey) with deeper reach is a natural target... of both established forces and aspiring ones as well.... power balance is changging fast these days...slipstreams everywhere.

Hopefully, current spatt with EU is solved in more nuanced and elegant way...

@HAKIKAT is wise in his understanding, he can elaborate much deeper/better than anyone else.

Peace we need in your part of the world to have peace within EU borders... we must work together to destroy terrorism which attacking us both.

Regards,

SPF

 

[gslv mk3]

Getting back to today. We produce over 55% of our military equipment ourselves, I'm sure that's more than India.

Said who ?

The only main things we can't produce is a proper fighter jet(4-5 countries can make, tejas is a joke) submarine (a few countries can make good diesel subs) space launcher and long range air defence(only 3-4 countries can make).

India can't make any of these themselves too other than the space launcher. I don't include tejas because it's not even worthy. I'm sure we can produce an f-16 copy which will be better than tejas but then what's the point.

Tejas is a joke ? It has an order of 123 with more to follow. I don't think Turkey has ever produced any jet fighter/trainer designs.

Talking about Submarines, we are the only country outside P5 to develop a SSBN- Arihant class submarine.

India already have developed a BMD system & is developing long range SAM named XRSAM (200 km range) based on the above.

Coming to Space Technology, Turkey hasn't even started yet. And you forgot nuclear technology.

90% of the products you produce are Russian made with small Indian input.

I think this picture will remind you of something.

All I want Pak to do is feed everybody and provide a roof to everybody.

You need not worry as all the indicators point that we are doing a better job at that than you.

 

[Baybars Han]

Said who ?



Tejas is a joke ? It has an order of 123 with more to follow. I don't think Turkey has ever produced any jet fighter/trainer designs.

Talking about Submarines, we are the only country outside P5 to develop a SSBN- Arihant class submarine.

India already have developed a BMD system & is developing long range SAM named XRSAM (200 km range) based on the above.

Coming to Space Technology, Turkey hasn't even started yet. And you forgot nuclear technology.




You need not worry as all the indicators point that we are doing a better job at that than you.

Obviously Tejas has to be ordered to save face. Be realistic, after the billions spent on it, you think they are not going to order any? That will be a disaster infront of the people.

I have read about your long range SAM, but i have been hearing this for a very long time, yet you recently ordered s-400. Didnt you already have s-300 which indicates you dont really have a big defficeincy in air defence so you should prioritise your own development product?

We have a trainer called Hurkus that is nearly finished. Maybe its finished im not sure. There will also be an armed version for CAS roles.

If i am not wrong Arihant is the same as Akula.

Main products- Tank= Russian - Arjun took 50 years yet you ordered more -t90s= no confidence in your own products
Fighters= Russian, French etc
Navy= Mostly russian except a few indian new ships, heavily russian help
Air defence= russia, israel
Most subsystems in foreign products are not even indian like french,israeli.


Obviously you are ahead in space tech and nuclear technology. Anyways this isnt a comparison thread. It was just funny an Indian member tried to claim they are so advanced or something.

Btw the picture you posted, i dont know what you mean. That is an AW(i think italian/british company) designed product with nearly all Turkish subsystems.

 

[gslv mk3]

Obviously Tejas has to be ordered to save face. Be realistic, after the billions spent on it, you think they are not going to order any? That will be a disaster infront of the people.

Wrong. Actually it was IAF who gave the second order of 83 aircraft after being interested on the Mk1A type.

I have read about your long range SAM, but i have been hearing this for a very long time, yet you recently ordered s-400. Didnt you already have s-300 which indicates you dont really have a big defficeincy in air defence so you should prioritise your own development product?

The XRSAM is a new development based on proven BMD system. S400 is being acquired for the short term.

We have a trainer called Hurkus that is nearly finished. Maybe its finished im not sure. There will also be an armed version for CAS roles.

And we have Tejas, Dhruv, LCH, LUH, HTT 40.

If i am not wrong Arihant is the same as Akula.

You should have referred wikipedia before making such claims. Arihant is an Indian design.

Navy= Mostly russian except a few indian new ships, heavily russian help

Most Indian large surface combatants are of Indian design & are designed by Indian navy's Naval Design Bureau. There is no large Russian help as you think there is- we have been designing Destroyer size Warships since the 1980s.

Examples are numerous- Vizag, Kolkata & Delhi class Destroyers, Shivalik, P17 A frigates, Indigenous Aircraft Carriers.

Air defence= russia, israel

We now have Akash & BMD, developing SR & XR SAMs.

Fighters= Russian, French etc

For now- and we are license producing Su 30 MKIs.

Main products- Tank= Russian - Arjun took 50 years yet you ordered more

That is one field in which we are lagging, I agree.

Most subsystems in foreign products are not even indian like french,israeli.

It's the reverse- many of them are 'MKI-sed' , just like the Su 30 MKI.

That is an AW(i think italian/british company) designed product with nearly all Turkish subsystems.

No significant help from anyone there ?