Can Turkey become a "Superpower"?

[The Eagle]

I think you underestimate the situation here, ignore laws and open the door for terrorists into a legal arena. You hold them equal to regular members like me. Do you know into what your personal stance turn the PDF regarding legal perspective?

First of all, let me you remind that this is not the first time that PDF is being told about any legal etc actions. Let me be very straight here, the Forum has no such policy against any State and you are judging a member on personal grounds or I must say without any proof yet verbal confirmation. You don't even think that what type of our relations are with Turkiye.

If you keep this personal stance of yours, then I have the right to demand you to delete my account, because i do not want to be a member in a forum in which terrorists are welcome and treated equally with law abiding people like me.

Personal stance???? there was a reason that @cabatli_53 was tagged in that post and do you understand what you are talking about. If you are that sure while threatening me with legal actions etc then there is no need to remove your account that simply, you just blamed PDF for nothing. Don't you think @cabatli_53 is not aware of any situation that too from Turkiye and being a member of Admin.

Given the crimes of FETÖ in past/today, These two members of PDF may have directly/indirectly taken parts in crimes or given assistance in long term harm against Turkish state like the coup, or be direct/indirect part in lethal attacks at regular people in Turkey or Turks in other countries.

Those two members also have yet not been brougth into the courts, and more importanly have yet not been cleaned by judges.Therefore, they are still not law abiding people,cannot have membership and the same priviliges with other law abiding members on PDF.

You are not even sure about his supposed brother etc and how come you think that we are supporting any such FETO etc group at all. Since how long these supposed members are here on PDF and the matter is not brought with such intention previously. What do you have at hand to take such action and what grounds do you think that PDF ever support such people. You just want PDF to take action on verbal confirmation rather than bringing any substantial and credible source to back it with. I have no sympathy with FETO at all. Why not to approach General Headquarters section to discuss the matter rather than debating about members like this in open thread. @cabatli_53 bro would you like to add something here or discuss the same with the member that how the matter be reported that I think, this chapter is in discussion since long and needs to be done once for all.

 

[The Eagle]

Internationally, no self-confessed terrorist is allowed to act freely in a society without seeing a court, also no third party is allowed to host terrorists except for prisons.

This has a part in law, any personal confession has always been taken serious by security forces firstly, then the attorney and the court; but all legal process starts with a confession verbally in any country in the world. For example, say i am member of a terrorist organisation on the plane, or go to a police office and make a verbal confession of being a terrorist organisation, in retun, i will visit you in prison, if not exonerated in court; Deal?

I repeat you have no idea into what your personal stance turn PDF with legal perspective, what is worse, you are defending terrorists against me who respect the laws and not member of any terrorist organisation.

With your personal stance here, Any terrorist can register forum without any limitation.

@WebMaster , If you support this personal stance as well, then it gives me the right to demand you to delete my account in a terrorist free forum.

@cabatli_53 , Apperantly the mod needs your guidance in the situation.

You are merely replying for the sake of reply and ignored all what I said. I don't know how to make you understand a simple thing that contact General Headquarters section with proof at your hand to discuss the matter. Rest of your post about my personal stance and accusation of supporting such & such etc is nothing but repetition of narration.

Rest about your useless comments w.r.t. my so-called support etc, I will remind you politely that never ever make such accusations again on personal ground otherwise, I will have no choice but to take appropriate action against you for these kinds of insults that I am ignoring twice.

Treat this post as last and I hope rather than posting and threatening me with legal action, you will contact the right section with details.

Thanks.

@Kaptaan sorry to bother you with such low quality people, but can you explain these people and mods/admins of PDF that when I left Gülen's "Dershane"s the organization was not even an enemy of the government - but friend - let alone being involved with "terrorism". I left this organization in 2009 and this organization became a terror organization in July 2016, and maybe one or two years before 2016 - since the death of certain politicians and so on.

Besides! If there are any terrorists in this forum, it's the likes of you: Who supported the coup in July 2016, The Turkish INT'L MOD has not done any action to coup supporters that night - not even now! All due to your hatred towards Erdogan and AKP. You people has not even learned to live along with more than 50% of Turkish people - yet we (50%) of Turkish people don't force you people to change your lifestyles or call you names even though we are majority and you are minority.

And I'm as certain as I'm certain of my name that if a coup attempt was to be done this very night by FETÖ or any other organization - to throw the current government and Erdogan - you lot would support them once again! That's what kind of degenerate, scared type of TERRORISTS you are.

No more off-topic/derailing post.

 

[The Eagle]

Eagle, If someone deliberately accused you of being a terrorist, and you then made your stance, but then some MOD deleted your stance - How would you feel?

Just an honest question.

My last post was good enough to explain that "No more Off-topic/derailing posts". Just report such posts and move-on (appropriate action will be taken) without quoting back or doing the same thing in return which too, will be treated as violation of Rules.

Thanks.

 

[Baybars Han]

Not in the next 10 decades

1. Not very impressive in S&T
2. Not an economic power
3. Less influence in the world, especially in the region. Iran is way ahead!
4. Part of NATO as block to gain influence , depends on NATO
5. very limited defence projects , depends on west for technology
6. not very impressive industrial background

Do you know what ten decades is? India is not even 100 years old.

Let me tell you some things that happened in ten decades?
Two world wars
Fall of countless empires
Creation of probably more than 40 countries
Creation and fall of soviet union(only 70 years)

and many many more things.

I know that we are no way near a superpower now, but in 10 decades anything can happen. In 20 years China became the second largest economy, one of the largest industrial countries from a poor country.

 

[foxtrot1]

Do you know what ten decades is? India is not even 100 years old.

Let me tell you some things that happened in ten decades?
Two world wars
Fall of countless empires
Creation of probably more than 40 countries
Creation and fall of soviet union(only 70 years)

and many many more things.

I know that we are no way near a superpower now, but in 10 decades anything can happen. In 20 years China became the second largest economy, one of the largest industrial countries from a poor country.

India is much older than you can ever try harder to piss off an indian who will then insult you in the replies and show you your real status where on earth you stand.

Whole europe is against you because of your stupid policies, you people have no idea what diplomacy is. You will in retaliation will jump and become allies of Russia and China. but unfortunately Saudi Arab has more influence than Turkey in the muslim world. The real FACTS

You funded insuregents in syria and now they are against you. You dont have money to fight and sustain a long war, usa and nato has it. You were till now enjoying the facilitation of NATO.
NATO weapons, money, resources, industry, technology, what have you developed indiginously? any thing of strategic value?

It will take turkey 20 years if start now to develop its own commendable launch vehicle or an ICBM.


I would rather say Iran has shown a real stature of power against whom your military used to do recons. If today EU slaps sanctions on Ankara, there will be economic crisis in Turkey.

These are the facts you may wish to ignore as ignorance is bliss but on facts are facts.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Then your definition of shit is something else as mine, it might got struck by political turmoils for the moment but its far from ''shit''.


Because of what? Apart from some mistakes that could have been avoided it was pretty good considering it was the first real assymetrical urban-warfare of TSK.

As for me saying that their performance/condition is 'shit', I am making that statement in response to the views many Turkish members on this forum have(had) about their military, other militaries fighting IS and IS itself. Constant overestimation of your own forces abilities, trying to uphold a superiority complex when it comes to the military, viewing IS as rag-tag(until TAF faced IS itself) and labeling other militaries fighting IS as useless/weak, despite their actual good performance.

I'm trying to put some sense in the nationalists, maybe 'shit' is overdoing it, no one seriously renders any military with such a simple insult either so don't take it serious, it's an attempt which won't work with the nationalists as they seek confrontation but that's what I did.

Some people still believe TAF could run all over the YPG in northern Syria to downplay the YPG problem that has been created, it's not that simple. Even if the US and Russia did nothing against it it's still not that easy. But yes, easier than fighting IS lunatics who drive armored VBIED's.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

There are not many places in the world were Pakistanis have a significant positive impact on their host nations. Pakistans northern powerful neighbour China is a close ally, friend and business partner of Pakistan but my personal opinion Pakistan and China do not share common cultural ties that bind the people. Our languages, culture, food and historical personal interests are very different from eachother. Pakistan has more in common with another foriegn far distant land, United Kingdom. Currently there are an estimated 2 million people of Pakistani heritage that reside in UK forging closer ties between the two nations. However still there are difference of opinions between the two nations. The mayor of London Sadiq Khan himself is of Pakistani heritage. Pakistan also has a significant labour population in the Gulf Arab states. Many Pakistabis feel discriminated there due to certain historical Arab arrogance. This leaves the only other country which Pakistanis feel a close sense of brotherhood, a similar culture, language and faith which is Turkey. Pakistanis certainly favour Turkey almost over any other nation. Just a personal thought

 

[帅的一匹]

If turkey want to become a regional power, it shall quit NATO ASAP. It is the only Muslim state member of NATO.

There are not many places in the world were Pakistanis have a significant positive impact on their host nations. Pakistans northern powerful neighbour China is a close ally, friend and business partner of Pakistan but my personal opinion Pakistan and China do not share common cultural ties that bind the people. Our languages, culture, food and historical personal interests are very different from eachother. Pakistan has more in common with another foriegn far distant land, United Kingdom. Currently there are an estimated 2 million people of Pakistani heritage that reside in UK forging closer ties between the two nations. However still there are difference of opinions between the two nations. The mayor of London Sadiq Khan himself is of Pakistani heritage. Pakistan also has a significant labour population in the Gulf Arab states. Many Pakistabis feel discriminated there due to certain historical Arab arrogance. This leaves the only other country which Pakistanis feel a close sense of brotherhood, a similar culture, language and faith which is Turkey. Pakistanis certainly favour Turkey almost over any other nation. Just a personal thought

Is it because Turkey is a Muslim state and China is not? Religion is not the sticking point when it comes to consideration of making friends.

Don't tell me Pakistan making friends with China is for geopolitical dilemma, and China and Pakistan don't have spiritual connection at all? Is it your unspoken words? Can you represent all Pakistani people?

 

[帅的一匹]

There are not many places in the world were Pakistanis have a significant positive impact on their host nations. Pakistans northern powerful neighbour China is a close ally, friend and business partner of Pakistan but my personal opinion Pakistan and China do not share common cultural ties that bind the people. Our languages, culture, food and historical personal interests are very different from eachother. Pakistan has more in common with another foriegn far distant land, United Kingdom. Currently there are an estimated 2 million people of Pakistani heritage that reside in UK forging closer ties between the two nations. However still there are difference of opinions between the two nations. The mayor of London Sadiq Khan himself is of Pakistani heritage. Pakistan also has a significant labour population in the Gulf Arab states. Many Pakistabis feel discriminated there due to certain historical Arab arrogance. This leaves the only other country which Pakistanis feel a close sense of brotherhood, a similar culture, language and faith which is Turkey. Pakistanis certainly favour Turkey almost over any other nation. Just a personal thought

Pakistanis living in domestic and overseas have different views toward China. The lower rung of domestic Pakistanis people hold very strong passion toward China than overseas elite class. Also China and Pakistan have historical ties and cultural connection. Only difference is the religious faith. If you live in Pakistan, you will favor China than Turkey. Your view is very biased from a Pakistani Britain perspective.

If Turkey want to be super power, following elements need to be fulfilled:
1. Strong industrial base(complete and advanced)
not yet
2. Enormous talent pools( advanced education system)
Not yet
3. Nuke capable and H bomb
No
4. Nuke projector: SSBM/ICBM
No
5.Huge Cultural Influence
In some extent
6.Member of permanent membership United Nations security council
Not yet
7. Political independence( no more puppet of NATO)
Maybe
8. Secular state( seperation of religion from state)
Hangs on a thread
9. Vast landmass and abundant natural resources
No
10. Trading volume over
No less than 2 trillions USD per year

Strictly there are only three super powers on this planet: USA, China and Russia.

India is more likely to be a super power in the making than Turkey does. Although they are lame and languorous in development , but they have nukes and vast population, and they are good in doing business.

The possibility of India becomes a super power is also very low due to its lazy ethnic character and inefficient democratic system.

 

[Jlaw]

Yep

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No figures for USSR in 1980 and 85. Something doesn't seem right

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Power and wealth in this Alem-i Hikmet (realm of wisdom) are given and taken away by none other than Allah-u Azimushshan. And, it happens based on rotation and cycling. Yesterday's Super Power is today's minnow, and vice versa. Who in the early 20th century thought that the tUSA and USSR will rule while Britain, Germany and France will get into the back burner??? Who in his wildest dream would imagine in 1990s that China's GDP will surpass USA's and they will be primary lender and challenger to the USA??? And, who could fathom some ragtags would exhaust the USA so much so that Trump will be elected President???? It's all Murad-i Ilahi (Divine planning/determination/execution/command/control etc.) where no mortals have any share or say. History shows this Hakikat (reality) - off course for those who have eyes to see, ears to listen and hearts to feel!! Let's wait and see what Kadr (fate) has for us in store!!!!!

 

[Baybars Han]

India is much older than you can ever try harder to piss off an indian who will then insult you in the replies and show you your real status where on earth you stand.

Whole europe is against you because of your stupid policies, you people have no idea what diplomacy is. You will in retaliation will jump and become allies of Russia and China. but unfortunately Saudi Arab has more influence than Turkey in the muslim world. The real FACTS

You funded insuregents in syria and now they are against you. You dont have money to fight and sustain a long war, usa and nato has it. You were till now enjoying the facilitation of NATO.
NATO weapons, money, resources, industry, technology, what have you developed indiginously? any thing of strategic value?

It will take turkey 20 years if start now to develop its own commendable launch vehicle or an ICBM.


I would rather say Iran has shown a real stature of power against whom your military used to do recons. If today EU slaps sanctions on Ankara, there will be economic crisis in Turkey.

These are the facts you may wish to ignore as ignorance is bliss but on facts are facts.

Sorry pal, India is a British creation. Most of the last 1000 years you have been Turkish rulers slaves, no offence but you have to embrace history. In 1800s the power struggle between maratha and the mughals and then the British took the opportunity and stayed and then created artifical India. Since 1947.

Turks have been stronger than your people can ever imagine.

Getting back to today. We produce over 55% of our military equipment ourselves, I'm sure that's more than India. You are the largest importer in the world.

The only main things we can't produce is a proper fighter jet(4-5 countries can make, tejas is a joke) submarine (a few countries can make good diesel subs), space launcher and long range air defence(only 3-4 countries can make).

India can't make any of these themselves too other than the space launcher. I don't include tejas because it's not even worthy. I'm sure we can produce an f-16 copy which will be better than tejas but then what's the point.

BTW I think you don't have much knowledge about what your talking about. Do you think NATO hands out free money? And then USA goes there you go we give you all details of our f-35 or other countries.

I can assure you Russia gave more tech to India than NATO has given us. 90% of the products you produce are Russian made with small Indian input.

 

[Selim I]

As for me saying that their performance/condition is 'shit', I am making that statement in response to the views many Turkish members on this forum have(had) about their military, other militaries fighting IS and IS itself. Constant overestimation of your own forces abilities, trying to uphold a superiority complex when it comes to the military, viewing IS as rag-tag(until TAF faced IS itself) and labeling other militaries fighting IS as useless/weak, despite their actual good performance.

I'm trying to put some sense in the nationalists, maybe 'shit' is overdoing it, no one seriously renders any military with such a simple insult either so don't take it serious, it's an attempt which won't work with the nationalists as they seek confrontation but that's what I did.

Some people still believe TAF could run all over the YPG in northern Syria to downplay the YPG problem that has been created, it's not that simple. Even if the US and Russia did nothing against it it's still not that easy. But yes, easier than fighting IS lunatics who drive armored VBIED's.

Within few days TAF could weaken all their strongholds, within few weeks all of YPG territories could be taken into TAF control if USA/SAA/Iran/Russia and all the rest were not playing any role - and the main reason is due to their flat territories as well as Turkish reconnaissance in this area, we already have all the coordinates ready - this was expressed by high military staff.

 

[Selim I]

no its military is not even in the top 10 of the world and it has no nuclear weapons

Where do you get your data from? Based on what is Turkey not in top 10?
According to GFP Turkey is ranked #8, and this is 2016 data, Turkey will accomplish many larger and advanced military equipments the following few years, so we may see a positive movement in this list in the coming few years.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

I did not add a vote becasue I consider Turkey already to be a SUPERPOWER the option was missing in the discussion I suggest the creator of poll to addd that option

All of the supporters in this group are waiting to cast our votes

"TURKEY IS ALREADY A SUPER POWER"

So I can add my vote , thank you

I saw that several members argues that Turkey is already a Superpower, but what do you base this argument on? There is only one superpower in the world right now, besides USA one could argue China and Russia might also be superpowers but I don't agree on that personally.

I suggest you to vote "Yes" in this poll if you think Turkey is already a superpower, because the poll can't be changed.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

If turkey want to become a regional power, it shall quit NATO ASAP. It is the only Muslim state member of NATO.


Is it because Turkey is a Muslim state and China is not? Religion is not the sticking point when it comes to consideration of making friends.

Don't tell me Pakistan making friends with China is for geopolitical dilemma, and China and Pakistan don't have spiritual connection at all? Is it your unspoken words? Can you represent all Pakistani people?

I was thinking more in line with the Ottomon empire and certain Turkic tribes that settled in the region of Pakistan. UK is a non muslim country yet has historical ties to Pakistan.