Can this Chinese Operating System (OS) replace Windows?

[Dragon4]

XP is still value and highly used in the IT industry. What a noob. LOL

A noob is a noob no matter how superior you are. LOL What a joke. The fact this joker has no idea what is popular in the IT industry have got the ball to question my professional career. LOL

Operating system market share


WINDOWS 7 HAS REPLACED XP AS THE MOST POPULAR VERSION OF THE OS
By Brad Jones — March 3, 2015
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While Microsoft may be looking to the future, it seems that many PC users are still firmly entrenched in the past, as the most widely used version of the OS is still Windows 7. Despite being more than five years old, the software is still more popular than its successors Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 and its direct predecessor Windows XP, according to data from NetMarketShare.

In fact, Windows 7 is so popular that it accounts for 55.99% of all desktop operating systems — more than Windows XP, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 combined. For years, Windows XP was the go-to choice for offices and schools, but that position has now been usurped by Windows 7.

It’s clear that a large proportion of Windows users are happier staying with the environment that they know, rather than updating to the latest version of the OS to enjoy the new features that come along with it. That can make it difficult for Microsoft to support its entire user base, given that they’re spread across drastically different versions of Windows.

Related: Check out our Windows XP end-of-support survival guide

Microsoft will be making Windows 10 a free upgrade, at least or a period of time, in the hopes that this will encourage PC users to bring their machines up to date. A larger userbase for Windows 10 means a larger potential audience for services like Cortana and the increased congruency between Windows Phone and Windows PCs, something that Microsoft will clearly be keen to pursue.

That said, it remains to be seen how quickly Windows 10 will catch on with the mainstream, even if it does turn out to be a free upgrade. While price is a factor to many users considering an upgrade, there are also considerations of compatibility and interface, particularly in a working environment. There are plenty of people out there who are simply used to Windows 7, and they’ll be the hardest to convince that an upgrade to Windows 10 is worth the sudden change.

Read more: Windows 7 is the most popular version of Microsoft's OS | Digital Trends
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ehh i see you contradict yourself

 

[boke]

我已经准备换这个操作系统了。中国的自主操作系统虽然发展的水平没有现在的微软操作系统低，但自主可控。斯诺登事件告诉我们，美国人通过网络在监控全世界，他们没有理由放过遍布全球的微软操作系统和放置在美国的大部分根服务器这两个有利条件。但是，这对于其它使用美国软件的国家和外国人来说，将是相当危险的。特别是现在很多武器都网络化了。
只有越多人用，一个系统平台才会发现不足并且更好的完善。不用理会那些嘲笑的声音，我期待中国的技术人员能够把这个系统推向完善！

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

All systems are prone to attack----True, But some are more robust than others.
Since the details of the Chinese OS are not available so it is yet to see, how it fares against the windows and others in the security features.

I heard a lecture on network security, and the presenter mentioned that the biggest contributor to SSH code is NSA...
ANY use of SSH should therefore be considered to be unsafe.

 

[ahtan_china]

I am an enginet. As I know, Chinese OS just is a rubbish.

 

[Jlaw]

What IT industry? Care to give a number of enterprise that still operating XP compare with those dont. Next time when speak to me use some back up. My brain is very strict to open up and listen to idiot and does opposite for someone smarter than me. Obviously, I ve been considered you inferior idiot since day one i joined this forum. When ever I see someone use LOL associate with immature punk.

Windows XP Usage Still Strong at 250 Million Users -- Redmondmag.com

LOL, stfu you stupid Viet

 

[DaiViet]

Windows XP Usage Still Strong at 250 Million Users -- Redmondmag.com

LOL, stfu you stupid Viet

Oh god, I wonder what this idiot and xunzi do for living? Washing dishes in Chinese buffet or something. The idiot Xunzi cant comprehend the article and so do this idiot cant comprehend the simple pie chart. 16% vs 58% which one considered the most popular? Both idiots must come from same LOL family. Whenever I see someone uses LOL I can guess that is some internet kid.

 

[Place Of Space]

I am an enginet. As I know, Chinese OS just is a rubbish.

You can't complain, that's enginets job improving the system?

 

[Djinn]

lol, that's what you don't understand about network security.

OS are meant to be accessed. As it is a media to connect user input and machine output, you drag a file on window and that tell the computer to move the file in a new directory and remove the old directory.

I don't need to know the source code to know the Chinese system will not offer any more security than any competitive OS, as this is the nature of OS, it's like social media, it was meant to get hacked as it actually invite stranger to access personal profile.

Network security is about how you can protect network traffic, so they were not to be hacked or hijacked. Or how you stay as non-valued user, so your file will not be hacked and hijacked. Both of that have nothing to do with OS. How to wrote an OS only mean how many click you need to do to transfer a file, it will not make you transfer your file over the internet safer. Even if there are embedded coded hidden within an OS, you will still need an user input to trigger it, that mean some time, one way or another, somebody need to remotely control/access your system, that's again, have nothing to do with the OS. That's why I said, if you want your data secure, you store your data on a stand alone server.

I don't know if you know anything about Network Security. but the OS security contributed to network security are minimal or negligible.

You didn't get my point. I am looking at it entirely from a lays mans perspective and so for that i will give you a simple example. IOS is considered more secure than Android and this isn't just a perception. Now without going into details about why this is so, this statement remains a fact and people having in-depth knowledge of these two OS can describe that well. Similarly Linux is considered less prone to hacking than Windows----------Again not going into details why this happens. So how Chinese OS will fare in this regard, it remains yet to be seen.

 

[jhungary]

You didn't get my point. I am looking at it entirely from a lays mans perspective and so for that i will give you a simple example. IOS is considered more secure than Android and this isn't just a perception. Now without going into details about why this is so, this statement remains a fact and people having in-depth knowledge of these two OS can describe that well. Similarly Linux is considered less prone to hacking than Windows----------Again not going into details why this happens. So how Chinese OS will fare in this regard, it remains yet to be seen.

Depend on how you see things. It ALWAYS about perspective

IOS may not have the same security as Android. If you are talking about Phone Security (like password encoding) then yes, IOS may be better and more secure than Android. But it would be different if we are talking about NETWORK security. Which mostly based on the OS security encryption. Which both standing at 256 bits. Which both are vulnerable to the same risk.

Problem is, OS does only control the user security (Log in/Log Off security) but in term of network security, OS does not provide any network based security. The OS security measure ends with trying to prevent the wrong person to log on to your computer. But most Virus/Monitor/Spyware work behind the user, so that effectively done nothing to network security.

Do remember you are talking about Edward Snowden in the beginning, NSA does not make famous by breaking in people's computer, instead, they are famous for intercepting people's communication.....That's why I said you don't know what Edward Snowden did to Network Security, which is nothing.

 

[Jlaw]

我已经准备换这个操作系统了。中国的自主操作系统虽然发展的水平没有现在的微软操作系统低，但自主可控。斯诺登事件告诉我们，美国人通过网络在监控全世界，他们没有理由放过遍布全球的微软操作系统和放置在美国的大部分根服务器这两个有利条件。但是，这对于其它使用美国软件的国家和外国人来说，将是相当危险的。特别是现在很多武器都网络化了。
只有越多人用，一个系统平台才会发现不足并且更好的完善。不用理会那些嘲笑的声音，我期待中国的技术人员能够把这个系统推向完善！

说中国将失败不知道历史的人

 

[hexagonsnow]

I am an enginet. As I know, Chinese OS just is a rubbish.

Engineer wont just laugh at the effort others try to make.China should have our own OS,no matter how hard it would be.It is need to be done.

 

[Lure]

Well let me clarify some points.

1. This is not the first Chinese OS. As far as I remember there the history of Red Flag OS (another Chinese OS) that goes back earlier.

2. Kylin is not something new. Kylin is around since early 2000's.

3. Both Red Flag OS and Kylin are Linux distributions. Linux distributions means the kernel of the OS is using a modified or official version of Linux Kernel.

4. Kernel is the layer that manages the hardware. All the code regarding device management, memory management in physcial level, CPU management in physical level, I/O management in physical level happens here. Software industry works on standards. Every piece of hardware out there should code their device drivers in order to be managed properly by the target kernel. There are 3 mainstream kernels out there (Unix, Unix-Like and DOS), meaning there is a huge device ecosystem around these Kernels, meaning when coding their device drivers hardware producers targets (mainly) these 3 Kernels. You can program your own Kernel. However there won't be any device/hardware that you can manage with this Kernel, which makes it extremely pointless.

5. Unix was coded in Bell Labs. back in 70's. Linux Kernel (the most popular Unix-Like system) was coded by Linus Torvalds (a very talented Computer Scientist from Finland) with the help of MINIX community in early 90's and DOS was coded by 1980's by Tim Paterson. If you ask me, DOS is some another version of a Unix-like systems. Unix was an open source piece of design and it was the most influential shell out there for the OS developers.

6. Popular examples :
- As you all know, DOS was the Kernel of Windows. It's funny that Bill Gates bought the Kernel from Tim Paterson and built his empire on this Kernel. Today no one knows Tim Paterson. To all young developers reading this, evaluate what you've coded correctly.
- BSD (an open source project made by Berkeley University) is the most popular OS built on Unix Kernel which is now evolved into Mac OS, IOS etc.
- For UNIX-Like kernels most popular example is Linux. Ubuntu, Debian etc. are all open source Linux distributions. Just like Red Flag OS and Kylin.

7. Now you may ask all the important job is being made in the Kernel Layer, what the hell are those developers developing. Well for starters, they modify the Kernel that they use. Kernel is something that evolves. That's why when you install a new version of Windows, sometimes you need to download/install a different driver for your hardware. Another important thing is I/O management and Memory management in software level. Process Management is also done above the Kernel Layer. When you're coding something in C, your application requests a piece of memory dynamic allocation or static, it goes OS and demands the memory and OS goes to Kernel physically allocates the memory. Hence entire logic behind virtual address space (including lock mechanisms), entire logic of concurrency (Round Robing algorithm, timeline of quanta), entire logic to match physical address spaces to logical address spaces, entire logic behind encapsulating the memory used by processes (i.e. A process can't access a memory field that another process uses) are programmes above the Kernel layer. Most important security issues are adressed above Kernel level.

8. On top of all the I/O and Memory management layer, you have the UI layer, which user interacts. In this layer resources based on GUI are provided to the programmer. When you're coding a GUI with C++ and using MFC you actually request every button, window, context menu etc. from the OS.

9. As you can see judging an OS purely on "how it looks" is pure ignorance. Kylin uses a very similar interface with Windows XP not because XP had a very good/optimal UI or because it was too "challenging" for Chinese engineers (or UI designers actually, how something looks hardly interests the computer scientis) to make something touch based and futuristic like Windows 8. They were most probably ordered to do it based on Windows XP for two reasons, not every computer in the bureaucracy are like your Alienware Gaming Systems or Mac Pro's. Most of them are old with limited memory and CPU power. That's why it is requested from them to downplay the UI to consume less resource in order to be able to function properly on old hardware. Secondly, not every computer user is your fellow WoW player. Most people working in the bureaucracy has limited knowledge of computer usage. That's why most probably product managers demanded a GUI that users are mostly familiar with. You don't want the users looking for buttons, menus for months and "re-learn" how to use computer. Since Windows XP was being used heavily in Chinese bureaucracy, they sticked to the Windows XP UI when designing Kylin UI in order to make the user feel as familiar as possible to it's older system.

10. An Operating System can't live without proper IT ecosystem and hardware support. That what makes an OS live. Nothing else. Every piece of bug, every design defect, every security problem is patched one way or another. No software dies because of lack of talent, but because of lack of interest in the community. The main problem for China is not "being able to" make it. The main problem is making it live and get support from developer communities around the world.

You guys made me return back to my student years. Oh, I miss those years.

 

[ahtan_china]

You can't complain, that's enginets job improving the system?

I offten browse mainland electronic web site. A lot of project should be used Chinese OS. But actually the PC will be fotmated and installed Win system when the bid is available. So many electronic fans discuss the relative issues. Chinese OS is a joke. Now it seems many 5 mao are in PDF.

 

[rubyjackass]

Windows itself is a buggy self-restarting blue screen generating ram drinking OS. And this Kylin is a Chinese copy of Windows

Engineer wont just laugh at the effort others try to make.China should have our own OS,no matter how hard it would be.It is need to be done.

China already has one. It is called Linux.

 

[boke]

说中国将失败不知道历史的人

你的意思是我的隐忧是多余的？我从不认为中国会失败，需要铭记的历史你不见得比我清楚。说实话，很讨厌中国人自己不团结，我的意思很清楚，为了国防安全，电脑操作系统应该支持国产，你从我的言论里怎么看出失败论的观点？哪里体现对历史无知了？