Can TB2s do a Russia on India?

[TheSolution]

Veggie Indians can't fight.

We are no longer in the 1700s anymore or some shit

They have modern technology same as us, it's more about how skilled you are at operating it to it's fullest capabilites and war planning.

Plus there's a shit ton of them.

Maybe if we were going to war with swords and shields, what you said would make sense!

 

[Shehryar Ashraf]

True. Hopefully decision related blunders that were made in past arent repeated.

I have read somewhere that Pakistani officer leading an offensive was changed midway in a war on Kashmir front and the new officer posted failed even when the first officer was had done a lot of demage.

operation grandslam

 

[arjunk]

True. Hopefully decision related blunders that were made in past arent repeated.

I have read somewhere that Pakistani officer leading an offensive was changed midway in a war on Kashmir front and the new officer posted failed even when the first officer was had done a lot of demage.

This was the Chamb sector

 

[Oom]

I agree. The TB2 is an excellent recon and ‘light strike’ asset. For the recon role it should replace our Mushaks.

Deploying a large number of them will supplement our broader strategy, it would’nt replace the need for other assets but would complement them. Would free up PAF to take on more concentrated positions. And may even act as a great decoy for SEAD missions.

The Indians are worried about Pakistan adopting the TB2 in mass. Along with top attack ATGM they would really complicate matters for Indian planners.

 

[CIA Mole]

It's for the novices! The Turkish drones are AI driven with almost 0% on-the-fly human inputs as far as the flight envelop, target recognition/locking etc. are concerned. It maintains a radio silence the most of the time. No wonder Russia has brought in their best EW platforms to counter TB2s, yet failing. The Command Center intervenes only when it's required a final permission to take out sensitive targets...

Even if all the communications, GPS etc. are cut it finishes the duty and comes back to the base as GIS data are also loaded...

You train the drones as a part of your pre-ops staff planning....

*The programming language, OS, compilers etc. to develop the SW in Bayraktar drones are in-house custom built. Even if you get access to the scrambled hex codes of the downed TB2s there's almost no way you can decipher it out. The Zulfiqars to slay the Imperialist Sheyatin lies in this coding.

is there document of its full AI capabilities?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

is there document of its full AI capabilities?

Honey is sweet when it is tasted....

It's AI capability is there for all to see when the Russian S-400s are taking out the Ukrainian Su-27s from 150km away, but are failing to protect her Iskander missile systems from TB2s...

 

[CIA Mole]

Honey is sweet when it is tasted....

It's AI capability is there for all to see when the Russian S-400s are taking out Su-27s from 150km away, but are failing to protect her Iskander missile systems from TB2s...

i just would like to know more about its targetting AI

 

[waz]

It wont be a stalemate.

What do you perceive happening?

need 10 atgms and 10 manpads for every indian vehicle

As can be seen in Syria, Ukraine etc few can take a couple of hits.

 

[Princeps Senatus]

Indians have a junk army and we saw a climpse of that in 2019 Feb

that was air force...

 

[nahtanbob]

*TB2s require no introduction. Following is my naïve analysis, based on the recent Russia-Ukraine conflict, to satisfy myself first and foremost. It’s not for any staff courses at the War Colleges!

Premises:

• The Indo-Pak conflict is below the nuclear threshold.
• 60-70% of the Indian defense equipment is from Russia.
• India follows the doctrine of mass armored assaults, adequately supported by artillery/rockets etc,, all across the Pak-Indian borders, especially along the deserts and plains,. Air superiority is a must for their strike fighters and combat choppers to cut through the Pak defenses. Not to mention the naval blockade along with attacks on PN assets, fuel storage etc.
• PAF can keep the IAF away from establishing a complete air superiority for the initial phase of the campaign.
• During that initial phase TB2s are employed en masse. They can be flown even from the paved roads. Thanks to the extensive EW deployment from both sides, the AI of TB2s – a reflection of the Pak staff planning and execution - can smartly and systematically pick-up the Indian targets – armored, artillery, EW, AD, IFVs etc. – and destroy them impeccably. It can do all these within its flight envelop without any human inputs in the midst of a complete radio silence.
• Being in a large number at the Pak arsenal the losses of TB2s don’t matter much. TB2s BOM is <2m$ with 95% of the components - including composites, engine, imaging, sensors, ammunition, communications etc. – are manufactured within Turkey. Pak might get the TOT to produce them like bunnies.

Inference: the Indian armored assault can be stopped even without using tactical nukes provided TB2s are intelligently used.

you need 5000-10000 TB2 to launch an attack like that. That costs a fortune for Turkey to manufacture and for Pakistan to purchase.
at the end of the day you need thousands of drone operators. The Indian military just needs to attack the bases where the drone operators are, hit drone communication links etc.

for these kind of tactics to work you really need artificial intelligence incorporated into drones. Even in the US military we are at least 10+ years away

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

We are no longer in the 1700s anymore or some shit

They have modern technology same as us, it's more about how skilled you are at operating it to it's fullest capabilites and war planning.

Plus there's a shit ton of them.

Maybe if we were going to war with swords and shields, what you said would make sense!

Indian are mentally weak too and unskilled to fight.

 

[TheSolution]

Indian are mentally weak too and unskilled to fight.

Underestimating your opponent is the worst thing you could possibly do

 

[HammerHead081]

If we have Turkey and China ready to back us in the next war with Indian, it would be a game changer.

I don't know for sure, but I reckon the Turks were actually piloting many of the drones in the Armenian war.
If they did the same with Pakistan and caused the kind of damage they did to Armenia, It will change the course of the war.
Also, If China got involved and we had China dropping off large numbers of J10c's and JF17's armed with PL12 and PL15,
It would cause havoc.

I would expect China to get heavily involved and annex Ladakh and south Tibet.
I would hope Turkey would damn the consequences and go flat out to support Pakistan.
If that happens, it would encourage others to join in.,
IEA would see this the mother of all holy wars and go for New Delhi.
Iran may be even get involved.

Day dreaming examplified.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Underestimating your opponent is the worst thing you could possibly do

And over estimating is good?

• Indians shoot their own chopper
• Destroy some trees and claim killed people
• Take a nice beating and surrender to PLA
• Lost 2 SU30 to Pakistan's BVRs
• Ride a submarine with Hatch open
• Kill their own soldiers
• I can go on and on and on

Indian military is a paper army and will fold on day one.

 

[TheSolution]

And over estimating is good?

• Indians shoot their own chopper
• Destroy some trees and claim killed people
• Take a nice beating and surrender to PLA
• Lost 2 SU30 to Pakistan's BVRs
• Ride a submarine with Hatch open
• Kill their own soldiers
• I can go on and on and on

Indian military is a paper army and will fold on day one.

Give me some of whatever you're smoking