Can Quantum Physics and Observer Effect prove the existence of God ?

[django]

What I think we humans are 3 dimension being, while Allah is in may be 12th or 11th dimension so still it can't be proven due to our human/matter limitations.

ALLAH is not in any 11th or 12th dimension, ALLAH transcends time, space, causality, he needs not any dimension to exist, he is beyond the laws of physics.

 

[Skull and Bones]

ALLAH is not in any 11th or 12th dimension, ALLAH transcends time, space, causality, he needs not any dimension to exist, he is beyond the laws of physics.

What about intermediate pocket dimensions?

 

[sohail.ishaque]

The part on Miller's planet is utter BS.

lol.. you come here and make comments without investigating anything. Why don't you go and search for Time Dilation on youtube and theory of relativity. Do some research and you'll know that all this is already being used in your daily life. The GPS system in your mobile is already using this "utter BS" stuff to pin point your location.

 

[Fracker]

ALLAH is not in any 11th or 12th dimension, ALLAH transcends time, space, causality, he needs not any dimension to exist, he is beyond the laws of physics.

Even at 4th dimension someone can transcend time, also at 5th dimension someone will be away from known space. So at 12th dimension is already unexplainable which is why most of the scientists don't go beyond 11th dimension.

I kind of did my research before saying anything, if we just read quran without of own logic then Allah is simply out.of this universe above 7th sky (what ever that means).

 

[Fledgingwings]

The evidence are ever present.science has just begun discovering them and eventually will reach the conclusion that the universe is master piece of a supreme creator.

 

[django]

Even at 4th dimension someone can transcend time, also at 5th dimension someone will be away from known space. So at 12th dimension is already unexplainable which is why most of the scientists don't go beyond 11th dimension.

I kind of did my research before saying anything, if we just read quran without of own logic then Allah is simply out.of this universe above 7th sky (what ever that means).

So Allah is dependent on dimensions??????? This goes entirely against tauheed and his attributes.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

The existence of creator/higher power can also be explained through logic. Early Muslim scholars pondered on who created the universe or how the universe was created, they came up with 4 theoretical explanations that all creation theories fit in and proceeded to investigate them

The universe was created from itself: This creates an endless paradox.

The universe was created by something created: Then who created the creator? This also leads to an endless paradox.

The universe was created from nothing: 0 + 0 does not equal 1; something can not come from nothing.

The uniform was created from something uncreated: This is the most logical explanation, the concept of creation requires space and time, since God formed time and space itself, the concept of creation does not apply on him.

This creator is intelligent; since it created laws for this universe which also implies intelligence and knowledge, it also needs to be eternal and omniscient as it transcends all laws and everything created. It also needs to be extremely powerful to create everything with incomprehensible complexity. I can go on and on, all of these traits are emphasised in the description of Allah.

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[kalakaar]

Our own existence is the sufficient proof of God.

God can't be proved in its true manifestation it can only be felt or experienced. What are you going to prove, you can't even prove the starting and end of a circle once it's drawn how are you supposed to prove God?

 

[gambit]

Our own existence is the sufficient proof of God.

God can't be proved in its true manifestation it can only be felt or experienced. What are you going to prove, you can't even prove the starting and end of a circle once it's drawn how are you supposed to prove God?

Not really -- the highlighted. It is circular logic.

The best way to 'prove' or 'dispel' any notion of God is incremental. First prove or dispel any notion of a soul because the soul seems to be the common ground across cultures, even those that have no contact with each other thru time and geography, to speculate existences other than of this world. Call it 'the afterlife' or dimensions or anything you like. It does not matter. Just prove or dispel the notion of a soul and we can move on from there.

 

[TMA]

To be honest, 'DISPROVAL' in science is also somewhat based on few assumptions:

https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/basic_assumptions



With these assumptions only you work. So, to be honest, disproval of some explaination is also based on assumption that laws of nature are consistent. If some of them are not, then all bets are off.

The issue with 'Almighty' is that the way you define it, makes it impossible -- by design I guess? -- to construct any experiment that can prove or disprove its existence.

Of course there are unproved assumptions that Science relies upon.... sort of axiomatic truths....

 

[kalakaar]

Not really -- the highlighted. It is circular logic.

The best way to 'prove' or 'dispel' any notion of God is incremental. First prove or dispel any notion of a soul because the soul seems to be the common ground across cultures, even those that have no contact with each other thru time and geography, to speculate existences other than of this world. Call it 'the afterlife' or dimensions or anything you like. It does not matter. Just prove or dispel the notion of a soul and we can move on from there.

What if it is that entity which you can prove also and same time dispel also? Then there is a contradiction.

 

[TMA]

The existence of an uncreated Creator is a "self evident truth"...similar to the "self evident truth" that I am a being with consciousness...

 

[gambit]

What if it is that entity which you can prove also and same time dispel also? Then there is a contradiction.

If it is a contradiction at the speculative level, then it is not possible for us to go either way. We made ourselves 'stuck' before a single experiment was done. Whatever 'quantum physics' tool we create, let us see what we find at the moment of death, first. Then we go from there.

 

[Shamsher1990]

The uniform was created from something uncreated: This is the most logical explanation, the concept of creation requires space and time, since God formed time and space itself, the concept of creation does not apply on him.

The issue here is, If one argues that there is an 'uncreated' God who created universe from something else uncreated then why a much simpler explanation cannot be accepted ie 'Universe itself was uncreated and there was no 'uncreated stuff' from which it was created by an 'uncreated god'. This essentially makes universe itself as 'uncreated stuff' and 'uncreated god'. Upshot is that 'uncreated god' and 'uncreated stuff' are unnecessary to explain a universe in which we live in.

This kind of reasoning is called 'Compression of entities' or also 'Occams Razor'. You don't need uncreated God to explain creation of universe, a simpler explanation is that universe was itself uncreated. If you find evidence that universe had a definite beginning then we can argue that 'uncrated stuff' transformed into universe. Still 'uncreated god' who created universe from that 'uncreated universe' is extraneous, unless we find evidence that whatever 'uncreated stuff' was which created universe could not do it by itself and needed something else to actually lead it into a universe. We have evidence of neither.

There is no place for 'uncreated god' it seems from our observation of a universe, even if it had a specific beginning.

 

[gambit]

The existence of an uncreated Creator is a "self evident truth"...similar to the "self evident truth" that I am a being with consciousness...

Then that self evident truth is applicable only to us or to God, respectively.

You see yourself in the mirror. You know your physical being. You see results of your actions. And so on...

Same thing for God, except that God is able to see us but not us to God. So the self evident argument is not applicable to assuming the existence of God. It is faith that God exist. Not logic.