Can PAK make Kashmir valley more costly for India so much so that India gives it up?

[PaklovesTurkiye]

.We know how to maintain our integrity as well as national image around the world unlike Pakistan...

Yes by propaganda. Pakistanis lack in that department, I agree......

 

[danger007]

Pakistan should give dead line to UNO about kashmir as it's failing to do anything against Indians

Tell them we pakistan won't be responsible if UN cannot commit to its promise
And won't be liable for any thing is kashmir

Atm we are supporting kashmir people morally and if UN didn't send peace keeping force in IOK
We will start supporting kashmir on all fronts

Last warning to UN or we will help the way we did to afghans in 80s
USA exactly know what we can do so enter peace keeping force or Pakistan will take things in his own hand and world will loose it's saying on the matter

Pakistan need to take solid stand on kashmir
If UN can't enter peace keeping force than let it be the end of civilisation as Kashmiri people cannot take it any more all alone

Enough is enough

That's blackmailing..lol

 

[A_Poster]

Wow....The only difference b/w Pakistanis and Indians is former don't argue who win nuclear war because everyone will lose....

Every nuclear power know that a nuclear war could be fought and won under various circumstances; even when there are thousands of nukes involved. Reagan administration envisioned defence against 80,000 Soviet nukes, let alone 200 which is maximum that Pakistan could possess as it does not have fissile material supply for more.

And LOL NO! Everyone would not lose. Read post #40. You are overestimating power of nuclear bombs. The type which you have ,even if they all reach their target, would not even kill 1% of population of India.

These are highly sophisticated nukes unlike those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki..

Yield is Yield. It is final energy output, not initial estimates.

Little boy has yield of 15Kt ,and Fat man of 22. It is near equal to average yield of Pakistani bombs.

If you're that confident regarding your safety from our nukes....Please I beg you to start war...It'll be fun, they say, it'll be fun.

Why should we?

Every year, India improves upon its BMD, produces even more interceptor missiles, and buy foreign BMDs, while technology associated with Pakistani nukes is stagnant, and number of nukes Pakistan could have is limited.

So why should we start a war today, when doing so tomorrow would be better?

Enjoy our tactical nukes (for your army) and conventional nukes (for your civilians) at same time.....Happy ending.....

We do not have problem with your tactical nukes. More fissile material you waste on tactical nukes, less you have for strategic nukes.

Experiments done by USA found that a tac-nuke could only take out 13 enemy tanks. It was their uselessness which led to their eventual obsolescence.

It is great fun and proud feeling when you go out of your way to hurt the enemy 5 times bigger in area and resources. Pakistanis will show you how it will be done. Pakistan is not that wide, if one looks at map, so if India launch nukes on us, your own states will get affect and radiated but if we launch nukes, your country is so wide and deep that radiations of our nukes won't affect us. U are at total lost when it comes to nuke war. U will lose everything 5 times more than Pakistan. Being smaller has its own advantages.

The word you are searching for is fallout.

Read post #40. The types of nukes India or Pakistan has does not cause fallout, and direct radiation does not even affect people two kilometer away from ground zero

Your BMD may let feel you secure and increase cost for Pakistan but if shit hits the fan, you hope it won't, we will steam roll you with everything we got in our inventory...Lets see how you save your ***.

HA!HA!HA!HA!!!

Midless rants without any application of logic. Pakistani ho to aukkat pe to utarne hi thee.

There is no way you could get through a fully functional BMD. You simply do not have enough resources. Even if BMD does not work 100%, you simply would never have enough nukes (due to lack of fissile material) that you could afford most of them to be intercepted in air.

 

[$@rJen]

Lol... 3 wars and heights of terrorism since 80s from pakistan didn't do that.
.. kids these days

 

[B2B]

Now can pakistan make it even costlier for India to occupy kashmir? Like giving them more advance weapons , MANPADS , Anti-tank missiles in short make it an Afghanistan /vietnam for india. Clearly Pak policy makers failed to make it an Afghanistan for india even though it hold all the potential for it. Its internationally recognized disputed territory with precedent of human rights violation. With enough good PR and astute diplomacy PAK can manage the possible international pressure. PAK clearly did not try enough and is yet to give its 100%. In the battle of attrition , India is bound to loose Kashmir. They have to either go for genocide and ethnic cleansing or give up kashmir then. Pakistan should take in kashmiris if India chooses the first option but PAK should keep up the tactic to bleed india.

Can Pak make it costly for India ? No to what extent. money is a rare commodity for all.

Anti Tank Missiles ? Really tanks are rolling over all the valley.

Good PR and astute diplomacy ? Alien technologies as far as Pak is concerned.

Pak clearly did not try enough ? Open secret Kashmir is half-hearted effort for Pak.

Either genicide/Give up ? Which one would Pak prefer in Indian position.

Bleed India ? Any results mate , no signs of hypovolemia nearing 70 years.

 

[$@rJen]

Pakistan will provide diplomatic and moral support to Kashmiris, they are capable themselves to do armed resistance just like French resistance against Nazi forces. What Pakistan will do and can do covertly cant be discussed on a public forum like this !!!

Like pakistan not doing it already.... all ur plannes via war or supporting terrorism will only strengthen indian gripp on kashmir... the insurgency was at the peak in 80s and 90s when it was so easy for the terrorists to infiltrate into indian side... now thata not going to happen....

India giving up kashmir will happen only in the dreams of pakistanis not even in the minds of kashmiris cause they know the truth

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Every nuclear power know that a nuclear war could be fought and won under various circumstances; even when there are thousands of nukes involved. Reagan administration envisioned defence against 80,000 Soviet nukes, let alone 200 which is maximum that Pakistan could possess as it does not have fissile material supply for more.

And LOL NO! Everyone would not lose. Read post #40. You are overestimating power of nuclear bombs. The type which you have ,even if they all reach their target, would not even kill 1% of population of India.



Yield is Yield. It is final energy output, not initial estimates.

Little boy has yield of 15Kt ,and Fat man of 22. It is near equal to average yield of Pakistani bombs.



Why should we?

Every year, India improves upon its BMD, produces even more interceptor missiles, and buy foreign BMDs, while technology associated with Pakistani nukes is stagnant, and number of nukes Pakistan could have is limited.

So why should we start a war today, when doing so tomorrow would be better?



We do not have problem with your tactical nukes. More fissile material you waste on tactical nukes, less you have for strategic nukes.

Experiments done by USA found that a tac-nuke could only take out 13 enemy tanks. It was their uselessness which led to their eventual obsolescence.



The word you are searching for is fallout.

Read post #40. The types of nukes India or Pakistan has does not cause fallout, and direct radiation does not even affect people two kilometer away from ground zero



HA!HA!HA!HA!!!

Midless rants without any application of logic. Pakistani ho to aukkat pe to utarne hi thee.

There is no way you could get through a fully functional BMD. You simply do not have enough resources. Even if BMD does not work 100%, you simply would never have enough nukes (due to lack of fissile material) that you could afford most of them to be intercepted in air.

Indians need to come out of Bollywood as soon as possible otherwise reality will bite real hard in their asses....Pakistanis prefer to remain quiet and do the job unlike Indians who show off their fancy yet useless stuff...

Nobody can save you from Pakistan's wrath....Pakistan will never underestimate India but will surely like if India does that....

 

[t_for_talli]

Pakistan will provide diplomatic and moral support to Kashmiris, they are capable themselves to do armed resistance just like French resistance against Nazi forces. What Pakistan will do and can do covertly cant be discussed on a public forum like this !!!

And you cry when India says anything about Baluchistan.
Pakistan started interfering in internal matters of India.

Leave Kashmir, Return occupied part of Kashmir, there will be peace in the region

 

[Soulspeek]

Question is, can India make Kashmir so costly for Pakistan that it fears losing its own Kashmir as well as Balochistan.

 

[A_Poster]

Indians need to come out of Bollywood as soon as possible otherwise reality will bite real hard in their asses....Pakistanis prefer to remain quiet and do the job unlike Indians who show off their fancy yet useless stuff...

Nobody can save you from Pakistan's wrath....Pakistan will never underestimate India but will surely like if India does that....

The words you are looking for are- develop, and tests.

Pakistanis remain quiet because they are incapable of doing anything. If you are developing any system, you would have to test it multiple times, and thus it would be evident to whole of the world.

Your culture makes you incapable of having any S&T progress. India has planted its flag on Moon, placed a satellite in Mar's orbit, and developed its own GPS; while you people are still struck with sounding rockets.

And India does not need any saving from impotent wrath of Pakistan. Our scientific and economic progress would take care of it.

 

[NALANDA]

India has always the option of acting the way Chinese and Pakistani does . India being a democracy has not behaved like these two countries ..but the option will be implemented..

Cheers

 

[$@rJen]

Indians need to come out of Bollywood as soon as possible otherwise reality will bite real hard in their asses....Pakistanis prefer to remain quiet and do the job unlike Indians who show off their fancy yet useless stuff...

Nobody can save you from Pakistan's wrath....Pakistan will never underestimate India but will surely like if India does that....

What can u do kid.... you've tried and failed in 3 wars.. you claim kashmir as ur jugular vein but that's still with india... where is the wrath of pakistan!!!?? Pakistan has no capability to get kashmir that's the reason they engaged in proxy war.... i consider it as a girlish behaviour.

Wrath!!!! Haha haah there's a laugh inside my head

 

[GURU DUTT]

India has always the option of acting the way Chinese and Pakistani does . India being a democracy has not behaved like these two countries ..but the option will be implemented..

Cheers

Good to see you after so long mate

thing is they are programmed like that and tarekh fateh expalined about this fixation very well and why it wont change any time soon and whats going to be the ultimate effect we in the mean time should make ourselfs so strong that we become immune to any of its fallout .... if you know what i mean

 

[NALANDA]

Good to see you after so long mate

thing is they are programmed like that and tarekh fateh expalined about this fixation very well and why it wont change any time soon and whats going to be the ultimate effect we in the mean time should make ourselfs so strong that we become immune to any of its fallout .... if you know what i mean

I was banned for a long time. If you speak truth with facts, it unnerves the moderators here.

Issue with Pakistani Generals are they build their strategy assuming ceteris paribus. They forget that India has many many options that it can use. They never learn from the history. 1971 is totally lost to them.

The Choice of sitting in the lap ( putting sovereignty in dustbin) of USA and now China is what a small artificially created country can do, NOT India.

Coming on to the topic...i am getting a sense that the long term plan to kill the issue has already been made. The large scale arrests day before is just the beginning. We have a very hard working PM, you see.

We are in a very interesting phase. We will live to watch birth of another country in our neighborhood . Insahallah.

 

[GURU DUTT]

I was banned for a long time. If you speak truth with facts, it unnerves the moderators here.

Issue with Pakistani Generals are they build their strategy assuming ceteris paribus. They forget that India has many many options that it can use. They never learn from the history. 1971 is totally lost to them.

The Choice of sitting in the lap ( putting sovereignty in dustbin) of USA and now China is what a small artificially created country can do, NOT India.

Coming on to the topic...i am getting a sense that the long term plan to kill the issue has already been made. The large scale arrests day before is just the beginning. We have a very hard working PM, you see.

We are in a very interesting phase. We will leave to watch birth of another country in our neighborhood . Insahallah.

well i was literelly shunted in and out for almost 8 months on PDF and got 2 infractions in three days so i know nothings gonna chnge and they have diffrent set of rules for indians and pakistanies

but about the latter part you are right on target but the crucial phase has started now and lets see what comes out i hope motor mouths in BJP and RSS dont spoil it this timew like they did in 2004