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Pakistan has already received US Shadow drones, but Pakistan has already been working on its own drones.


THE LETHAL PAKISTANI BURRAQ IS THE PREDATOR EQUIVALENT: The Burraq is capable of reconnaissance and missile attacks:

“PAC engineers have been working on the first UAV project of the country for two years,” according to a report published on the aviation industry Flightglobal website in August. Pakistan is also reported to be flight-testing the Burraq, named for a winged-horse type creature in Islamic tradition. The Burraq is to be equipped with National Engineering and Scientific Commission (or NESCom) designed laser designator and laser-guided missiles. Unlike the Falco, Burraq will be able to attack and destroy targets.

Pakistan has now virtually become a member of the club of countries manufacturing drones. The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) desperately needs UAVs capable of firing at targeted militants.

The Falco, with an autonomous navigation and control system, has a standard control link range of 200 kilometers and is capable of short take-offs from semi-prepared airstrips. Among its prominent features are automatic take-off and landing, fully redundant and fault-tolerant control systems and near-real-time target image processing.

ISLAMABAD — After years of watching U.S. drones operate along its Afghan border, Pakistan is working on its own Predator-like unmanned aerial vehicle to undertake the same mission, sources here said. The sources said the country’s air force and government-owned defense conglomerate, the National Engineering and Scientific Commission, are flight-testing a new-design aircraft to be equipped with a NESCom-designed laser designator and laser-guided missiles. The Burraq UAV is named for a winged horse creature in Islamic tradition, similar to Pegasus.

According to local news reports, Pakistan is focusing its unmanned aircraft efforts on upgrading various older UAVs with Chinese help. But the sources note that no domestically produced UAVis large enough to heft both a missile and a targeting system. The military’s most capable UAV is the air force’s Selex Galileo Falco, which can laser-designate targets for other platforms but cannot deliver munitions.

Officials with the Ministry of Defence and Ministry of Defence Production here refused to confirm or deny the program’s existence. A spokesman for the military’s Inter Services Public Relations said it was “not ready to give a statement on the issue at this time.” One former air force officer said the notion of a Pakistan-developed hunter-killer UAV is credible. “You only have to see our track record,” said Kaiser Tufail, a retired air commodore. “We have some fantastic achievements in the field of defense.”

Tufail said Pakistan needs such a weapon. Anti-terror operations on the frontier require “hours and hours of round-the-clock reconnaissance,” married with the ability to strike quickly when a target is spotted, he said. Help from China? Analysts were more dubious about Pakistan’s ability to produce a laser-guided missile, but they noted that help might be found in China or Turkey. Turkey, with whom Pakistan has an agreement to cooperate on UAV development, is seeking an armed UAV, preferably the Predator or MQ-9 Reaper. This UAVmay someday be armed with the UMTAS infrared guided anti-tank missile being developed by the Turkish firm Roketsan to arm the T-129 attack helicopter.

Pakistan could simply produce China’s new CH-3 unmanned combat air vehicle, “or co-produce any number of Chinese components to assemble a unique UCAV,” said Richard Fisher, China specialist and senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center in Washington. “China has also developed the unique AR-1, a 45-kilogram, laser-guided attack missile, apparently designed specifically for light winged or helicopter UCAVs,” he said. Pakistan reported developing armed UAV By Usman Ansari – Staff writer, Saturday May 9, 2009 8:17:26 EDT

The Burraq is based on the Falco – SELEX GALILEO technology. We produce information on the Selix Galileo so that an adequate comparison can be made with the Burraq.

NEW DELHI: New battlelines are being drawn for a spy drone versus spy drone face-off between India and Pakistan. Even as Islamabad continues to badger Washington to give it armed drones like `Predators’, New Delhi is quietly working towards bolstering its fleet of reconnaissance and `killer’ Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs).

While Pakistan has been after US to get `strategic’ UAVs like `Predators’, the latter has so far only agreed to supply `tactical’ unarmed `Shadow’ drones for intelligence-gathering missions.

`Predators’ and `Reapers’, controlled from hundreds of miles away through satellites, can unleash havoc with their `Hellfire’ missiles…The Times of India

Unable to produce its own drones, the Bharati (aka Indian) establishment is doing what it does best–tries to buy drones. Most of the time, the exporting nations sell their junk to Delhi. Corrupt Bharati politicians don’t really care about the quality of the equipment–as long as their pockets are filled.

In the latest such contract inked with Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) a few days ago, India has ordered a few more `Heron’ MALE (medium-altitude, long endurance) drones, ground control systems and data terminals for around Rs 700 crore, defence ministry sources said on Thursday.

The importance of UAVs in modern-day warfare cannot be overstated, both for their snooping as well as targeting capabilities.

Bharat has been unable to produce any drones on its own–however it does have stripped down versions of Israeli UAVs.

These primarily include Israeli ones like Searcher-II and Heron, as also some Harpy `killer’ drones designed to detect and destroy enemy radars by functioning like cruise missiles.

Under the latest deal, Navy will now get two more Herons to add to its UAV fleet of eight Searcher-II and four Herons, which are being used for maritime surveillance up to 200 nautical miles.

There is also the ongoing Rs 1,163 crore joint IAI-DRDO project for NRUAVs (naval rotary UAVs) or unmanned helicopters operating from warship decks for advanced ISR (intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance) missions.

As reported by TOI earlier, Army is also going in for two more `troops’ (8 birds each) of advanced Heron UAVs for Rs 1,118 crore after the Defence Acquisitions Council approved it in February 2009.

Apart from using UAVs for spying and directing precision-guided munitions, IAF is now looking to induct Israeli Harop `killer’ UAVs from 2011 onwards. Like the Harpy, Harop drones are capable of loitering over targets before they explode into them. But what makes them more advanced is that they also have electro-optical sensors to make them capable of even hitting important enemy military installations like missile sites.

While Harpy and Harop are kamikaze UAVs which perish with the targets, Predators and Reapers are more like fighters since they return to their bases to get a fresh stock of missiles for new missions.

The next phase will be that of full-fledged UCAVs (combat UAVs) being currently developed to replace manned fighter jets for medium and long-range conventional or nuclear bombing missions. India lines up Israeli drones in race with Pak Rajat Pandit, TNN, Mar 26, 2010, 01.06am IST

The latest Times of India article does acknowledge that the indigenous production has been non-existent.

India, on its part, has also set the indigenous ball rolling. After Nishant and Lakshya drones, DRDO is developing the `Rustom’ MALE drones, with the Army keen to induct seven `troops’ of them.

Moreover, as reported earlier, Army also wants to induct man-portable `mini’ and `micro’ UAVs for short-range surveillance and NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) detection in the battlefield. Army, in fact, wants to induct these miniature spy drones right down to the battalion-level by 2017. India lines up Israeli drones in race with Pak Rajat Pandit, TNN, Mar 26, 2010, 01.06am IST
 
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another VS thread it would have been better if the individual capabilities are considered in separate threads....

i can see the future of this thread......and somehow i could not find the link is this from a personal blog?
 
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After years of watching U.S. drones operate along its Afghan border, Pakistan is working on its own Predator-like unmanned aerial vehicle to undertake the same mission, sources here said.

after years of watching gained drone knowhow?
amazing..............

sorry for the above comment cant miss the chance................to have a bit of fun


Officials with the Ministry of Defence and Ministry of Defence Production here refused to confirm or deny the program’s existence.

now so officially this is a speculation ........yet another like so many here ....
 
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Its from Asian defense if im not wrong and yes we make dozens of drones and export them too.
And yes we are making a UCAV.
A.V ur the the indian moderator of a indian forum wanting to be russian i presume?
I know it would hurt ur little troll ego.....go and search Pak made drones.
 
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Its from Asian defense if im not wrong and yes we make dozens of drones and export them too.
And yes we are making a UCAV.
A.V ur the the indian moderator of a indian forum wanting to be russian i presume?
I know it would hurt ur little troll ego.....go and search Pak made drones.

PN ask your staff they know who i am ok ? and do not make allegations about what you dont know stick to the thread did i make any claims about your identity and how like a loser you acted on open media and how many duplicate IDS you prepared < i hope you are a true nationalist because your actions proved otherwise >and what not and then you come up and question me when you know nothing about me so if you have questions direct it to your staff team and not on forum here i am a member of def.pk one which is my oldest defence forum that i ever registered ........so dont be BIG L
check my def.pk join date and yours ........you will get the idea that i am not a new in here also if you have anything to say against my post do it i appreciate and respect that
prove that this article is .... official which i claimed to be a speculation
 
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These V/S threads are real fun to read... a lot of absurd comments are made ...

BTW INDIA does not get stripped down version of ISRAELI weapons...and yes we will also have our UCAVs pretty soon..however if pakistan is aalready operating its own UCAV or will start operating earlier than INDIA then it will be a blessing in disguise ...HAL will start working faster which is a lazy organisation if truth to be told.(however they deserve some credit for LCH)

BTW a few pics of BURAQ would mean a lot..
 
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please kindly share the source link...................

thanks :cheers:
 
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this site has no diffrence with rupeenews. .:devil:

Rupeenews.com?

If you don't like Pakistani links so here is a Indian Channel Star News report about Pakistani drones.
Enjoy:cheers:

 
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To indians and other who r doubting it........do try to search this very forum..for Pakistans UCAV tht will fly by the end of this year or the starting of next...wind jammer has posted some pics.....but nothing is yet publicised like indians who even boast of crashing simple uavs tht cant even be landed without a parachute.....
@ Jha yes we know how ur indigenous products come after no less then 4 decades be it the failed aljunk or LCA(still in testing.kaveri engine failed) etc.
Thanks
 
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