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Can fundamentalism in Pakistan be traced back to madrassas?

When you don't have a job in Pakistan, you grow a beard, abduct a few people in the name of religion and watch the ransom money start flowing in. FATAites are the leaders in this line of work :lol:

Just ask MQMers how profitable this business is. The only difference is they do it without a beard.
 
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A State is a sovereign body per international law. It can do anything it want within its country. :lol:
Like not providing free basic education to its citizens?
Like not providing free pre and post natal care?
Like not providing clean drinking water?
Like not providing.............
Like not.........
Like........
 
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Can fundamentalism in Pakistan be traced back to madrassas?
By Dania Ahmed Published: July 8, 2015
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Pakistani students of a madrassa at their seminary in Islamabad. PHOTO: AFP

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In Pakistan, certain madrassas have a knack for producing terrorists. The government is aware of this yet it does not have a consistent stance regarding such madrassas. After the Peshawar school attack in December, the government made it a priority to regulate madrassas, but when the information minister, Pervaiz Rashid, spoke out against them last month, not a single member of government publicly supported him.

This conflicting treatment did not happen overnight. Fundamentalism in Pakistan can be traced back to Former Prime Ministers Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Ziaul Haq who wanted to ‘Islamicise’ the state. Zia’s 1979 education policy highlighted the priority to reorganise the state curricula around Islamic thought, which still permeates the textbooks used today. This is inconsistent with founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s dream for Pakistan: all citizens, irrespective of their faith, should be treated as equals. On the contrary, Islamisation has empowered radical mullahs and enabled certain madrassas to fuel extremist ideology.

In 1947, when Pakistan was created, there were only 189 madrassas; there are now an estimated 20,000 to 40,000 madrassas in Pakistan educating an estimated 1.8 million to 3.5 million children (exact numbers don’t exist as not all madrassas are registered). An estimated 10 to 15 per cent of madrassas are affiliated with extremist religious or political groups but as per the government, only 3 to 4 per cent have links to terrorism.

The majority of madrassas follow the Deobandi doctrine of Islam — an orthodox Sunni school of thought heavily influenced by Wahhabism. Most organisations that adhere to Deobandi — Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Majlis-e-Ahrar, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), and the Taliban — have been proven to be part of terrorist activities.

Pakistani author and physicist Pervez Hoodbhoy wrote:

“The greatest threat to Pakistan may be its abysmal education system.”

Madrassas are the most accessible source of education for many children, especially families in rural areas where public schools, if they exist at all, are under-resourced and under-staffed. Madrassas provide families with a solution; they often feed and house the students and tend to be free of cost. Even the 9/11 Commission found that many madrassas are “the only opportunity available for an education”. The state’s inability to provide accessible education to the general public is the crux of the problem.

Examination of madrassa curriculum incontrovertibly reveals intolerance and speaks volumes about the direction that Pakistan is headed. Instead of studying math, science, writing, and reading comprehension, students spend large portions of their days memorising religious materials, chanting war songs, and venerating the state. Religious doctrine even permeated the traditional material students did learn — science, geography, English, Urdu. A US diplomat commented saying:

“Children [at radical madrassas] are denied contact with the outside world and taught sectarian extremism, hatred for non-Muslims, and anti-Western/anti-Pakistan government philosophy.”

Such madrassas, teaching a distorted version of Islam, indoctrinate children to discriminate against non-Muslims, raising children to classify non-Muslims and Muslims outside their sects as kafirs (infidels), mushrakeen (pagans), dhimmis (non-Muslims), murtids (apostates), and enemies of the state. As a result, many of these madrassas produce graduates who lack critical and analytical thinking and are intolerant to others; graduates who go on to become maulvis who issue irrational fatwas and spew hate speech against minority groups.

Islam is a religion of many sects and exposing children to only a narrow mind-set strengthens the breeding ground for future intolerance and an endless cycle of sectarian violence. This problem runs deeper than sectarian violence; it impacts all minority religious and ethnic groups as well as the majority of Pakistan. Militant madrassas have educated Umar Mansoor, the mastermind behind the Peshawar school massacre, as well as Taliban apologist and hate speech aficionado Abdul Aziz.

How can Pakistan tease out the religious biases so deeply rooted in its society when many madrassas perpetuate them? Attempted many times, madrassa reform remains a myth. The government has taken little action to regulate madrassas linked to terrorism. The 2006 Madrassa Reform Project aimed to reform 8,000 schools by integrating a balance between formal and religious education and expanding curricula to include the teaching of social and hard sciences, religious tolerance, and human rights. Only 6.3% of the targeted madrassas were reached. In 2008, the education ministry reported it had only spent $4 million of the allotted $100 million for madrassa reform over the past six years. There has also been talk of a “madrassa reform committee” but little has been said about implementation.

One of the clauses from the National Action Plan (NAP) that debuted in December states:

“The registration and regulation of seminaries (madrassas) is being planned.”

And just this month, the Sindh government stated it will crackdown on 48 madrassas involved in terrorism. It may sound like progress is being made but these madrassas that have been reached are only a few of the thousands of madrassas that exist.

Thus far, any substantive, permanent reform has yet to occur. Government authorities hesitate to take action out of fear of backlash from religious authorities, and as a result, have institutionalised the madrassa system. Rubina Saigol, an education expert, said:

“I have been arguing for the longest time that in fact our state system is the biggest madrasa.”

But in order to end extremist indoctrination, stop the spread of sectarian violence, and counter Pakistan’s narrative of violence, the state must provide proper alternatives to madrassa education and regulate the curriculum. By devoting more money and resources to the education system, Pakistan can break its path of extremism and violence. Without these critical reforms, Pakistan is nothing more than an fundamentalist state that does not protect its minorities — a far cry from Jinnah’s founding vision.
Can fundamentalism in Pakistan be traced back to madrassas? – The Express Tribune Blog

Madrassas were supposed to educate our young minds, not turn them into radical extremists... Its time to reform them and put them under state authority. It's may be the only solution in the long run...

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what about those people who have affection to the rival country of KSA named IRAN .... ?? would they accept it ... ??
Of course they would . cause the same madrassas are teaching the children in pakistan that shias are bad . as simple as that .

shia = bad . now repeat that in the ears of those kids for 12 years and they graduate being a jihadists whose only affection is blowing shia muslims up .

Be sure if anyone has any affection towards Iran in pakistan its not because they are sectarian (as opposite to the other party involved) . its cause they know it and they know it with their hearts that if anything happens to them (God forbid) it will be Iran who will accept them with open arms and it will be Iranians who will love them as if they are one of their own .

For now the majority of pakistani nation who are BTW sunnis have shown the middle finger to this mentality .

yeah some crazy people exist and yeah they are killing them evil shias , but the majority is what counts .

and its not a "meh" majority , its an overwhelming one . Thanks to Mr. jinah . RIP
 
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Of course they would . cause the same madrassas are teaching the children in pakistan that shias are bad . as simple as that .

shia = bad . now repeat that in the ears of those kids for 12 years and they graduate being a jihadists whose only affection is blowing shia muslims up .

Be sure if anyone has any affection towards Iran in pakistan its not because they are sectarian (as opposite to the other party involved) . its cause they know it and they know it with their hearts that if anything happens to them (God forbid) it will be Iran who will accept them with open arms and it will be Iranians who will love them as if they are one of their own .

For now the majority of pakistani nation who are BTW sunnis have shown the middle finger to this mentality .

yeah some crazy people exist and yeah they are killing them evil shias , but the majority is what counts .

and its not a "meh" majority , its an overwhelming one . Thanks to Mr. jinah . RIP

If Jinnah was alive today he would have been declared kafir and probably assassinated. :(
 
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Of course they would . cause the same madrassas are teaching the children in pakistan that shias are bad . as simple as that .

how are u quit sure that the same thing is not happing in some of Non-Sunni Maradsa ... ??
& in the bayan of Zakir .... ??

the majority is what counts .

ya its the majority what counts .... but we do have fanatics in 'all sects' ....
 
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If Jinnah was alive today he would have been declared kafir and probably assassinated. :(

O how i long to read wise explanation from a website scholar ,about who and what an"FUNDAMENTALIST" is,Especially a "Muslim Fundamentalist" .
 
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Yes it can, although the problem seems to reside with madrasas from certain groupings.

Those preaching intolerance, shut them down, the rest need urgent reform.
 
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what about those people who have affection to the rival country of KSA named IRAN .... ?? would they accept it ... ??

I'm tired if this silly answer being repeated again and again, no offense intended.

Okay, who is killing Pakistani people and soldiers the most today? Give me a table or chart and compare their numbers so we will all be informed. You are one of the people I mentioned above. You just find the truth too harsh to accept.
 
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@HRK don't fool yourself brother ;)

you know very well whats going on . we also know exactly whats happening . remember we're just about 1 meter away from pakistan borders . so with these kinda vague questions you're proving nothing .

do some reality check bro
 
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Can fundamentalism in Pakistan be traced back to madrassas?
By Dania Ahmed Published: July 8, 2015
28463-madrassa-1436259833-975-640x480.jpg

Pakistani students of a madrassa at their seminary in Islamabad. PHOTO: AFP

28463-madrassa-1436259893-331-160x120.jpg
28463-madrassa-1436259833-975-160x120.jpg

In Pakistan, certain madrassas have a knack for producing terrorists. The government is aware of this yet it does not have a consistent stance regarding such madrassas. After the Peshawar school attack in December, the government made it a priority to regulate madrassas, but when the information minister, Pervaiz Rashid, spoke out against them last month, not a single member of government publicly supported him.

This conflicting treatment did not happen overnight. Fundamentalism in Pakistan can be traced back to Former Prime Ministers Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Ziaul Haq who wanted to ‘Islamicise’ the state. Zia’s 1979 education policy highlighted the priority to reorganise the state curricula around Islamic thought, which still permeates the textbooks used today. This is inconsistent with founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s dream for Pakistan: all citizens, irrespective of their faith, should be treated as equals. On the contrary, Islamisation has empowered radical mullahs and enabled certain madrassas to fuel extremist ideology.

In 1947, when Pakistan was created, there were only 189 madrassas; there are now an estimated 20,000 to 40,000 madrassas in Pakistan educating an estimated 1.8 million to 3.5 million children (exact numbers don’t exist as not all madrassas are registered). An estimated 10 to 15 per cent of madrassas are affiliated with extremist religious or political groups but as per the government, only 3 to 4 per cent have links to terrorism.

The majority of madrassas follow the Deobandi doctrine of Islam — an orthodox Sunni school of thought heavily influenced by Wahhabism. Most organisations that adhere to Deobandi — Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Majlis-e-Ahrar, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), and the Taliban — have been proven to be part of terrorist activities.

Pakistani author and physicist Pervez Hoodbhoy wrote:

“The greatest threat to Pakistan may be its abysmal education system.”

Madrassas are the most accessible source of education for many children, especially families in rural areas where public schools, if they exist at all, are under-resourced and under-staffed. Madrassas provide families with a solution; they often feed and house the students and tend to be free of cost. Even the 9/11 Commission found that many madrassas are “the only opportunity available for an education”. The state’s inability to provide accessible education to the general public is the crux of the problem.

Examination of madrassa curriculum incontrovertibly reveals intolerance and speaks volumes about the direction that Pakistan is headed. Instead of studying math, science, writing, and reading comprehension, students spend large portions of their days memorising religious materials, chanting war songs, and venerating the state. Religious doctrine even permeated the traditional material students did learn — science, geography, English, Urdu. A US diplomat commented saying:

“Children [at radical madrassas] are denied contact with the outside world and taught sectarian extremism, hatred for non-Muslims, and anti-Western/anti-Pakistan government philosophy.”

Such madrassas, teaching a distorted version of Islam, indoctrinate children to discriminate against non-Muslims, raising children to classify non-Muslims and Muslims outside their sects as kafirs (infidels), mushrakeen (pagans), dhimmis (non-Muslims), murtids (apostates), and enemies of the state. As a result, many of these madrassas produce graduates who lack critical and analytical thinking and are intolerant to others; graduates who go on to become maulvis who issue irrational fatwas and spew hate speech against minority groups.

Islam is a religion of many sects and exposing children to only a narrow mind-set strengthens the breeding ground for future intolerance and an endless cycle of sectarian violence. This problem runs deeper than sectarian violence; it impacts all minority religious and ethnic groups as well as the majority of Pakistan. Militant madrassas have educated Umar Mansoor, the mastermind behind the Peshawar school massacre, as well as Taliban apologist and hate speech aficionado Abdul Aziz.

How can Pakistan tease out the religious biases so deeply rooted in its society when many madrassas perpetuate them? Attempted many times, madrassa reform remains a myth. The government has taken little action to regulate madrassas linked to terrorism. The 2006 Madrassa Reform Project aimed to reform 8,000 schools by integrating a balance between formal and religious education and expanding curricula to include the teaching of social and hard sciences, religious tolerance, and human rights. Only 6.3% of the targeted madrassas were reached. In 2008, the education ministry reported it had only spent $4 million of the allotted $100 million for madrassa reform over the past six years. There has also been talk of a “madrassa reform committee” but little has been said about implementation.

One of the clauses from the National Action Plan (NAP) that debuted in December states:

“The registration and regulation of seminaries (madrassas) is being planned.”

And just this month, the Sindh government stated it will crackdown on 48 madrassas involved in terrorism. It may sound like progress is being made but these madrassas that have been reached are only a few of the thousands of madrassas that exist.

Thus far, any substantive, permanent reform has yet to occur. Government authorities hesitate to take action out of fear of backlash from religious authorities, and as a result, have institutionalised the madrassa system. Rubina Saigol, an education expert, said:

“I have been arguing for the longest time that in fact our state system is the biggest madrasa.”

But in order to end extremist indoctrination, stop the spread of sectarian violence, and counter Pakistan’s narrative of violence, the state must provide proper alternatives to madrassa education and regulate the curriculum. By devoting more money and resources to the education system, Pakistan can break its path of extremism and violence. Without these critical reforms, Pakistan is nothing more than an fundamentalist state that does not protect its minorities — a far cry from Jinnah’s founding vision.
Can fundamentalism in Pakistan be traced back to madrassas? – The Express Tribune Blog

Madrassas were supposed to educate our young minds, not turn them into radical extremists... Its time to reform them and put them under state authority. It's may be the only solution in the long run...

@M.SAAD @Syed.Ali.Haider @Irfan Baloch @syedali73 @TankMan @WAJsal @Oscar @waz @Jungibaaz @Serpentine @SOHEIL @haman10 @LeveragedBuyout @500 @Cohen1984 @levina @Mike_Brando @TimeTraveller @hinduguy @Zarvan @Azad-Kashmiri




this essay is only half truth.

In Pakistan "fundamentalism" can be traced to Islamism AND Socialism/Marxism


While Madhouse madrasssah provide foot soldiers for Islamo-socilams
English medium upper class schools provides the thinkders and officers.

Those who scream at madrassahs only will one day realize that the real problem is our national obsession with socialism and Marxism.

Peace
 
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I'm tired if this silly answer being repeated again and again, no offense intended.

I am also tired of lame comments....

Okay, who is killing Pakistani people and soldiers the most today? Give me a table or chart and compare their numbers so we will all be informed.

Is this the scale we should use in a 'sane debate' ..... ???

does this argument look sensible to you that 'who is killing more' ..... our problem is all those who are killing Pakistanis at the name religion, sect, politics or whatever the narrative suits to their agenda ....

You are one of the people I mentioned above.

is this your intellectual level that you judge people on the basis of your presumed sectarian affiliation.

You just find the truth too harsh to accept.

Do you even know the truth .... ??
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@HRK don't fool yourself brother ;)

Sorry my dear I am not fooling myself, I am just not posing as 'holier & wiser person then the others'

you know very well whats going on.

yes I know one or two things like

Iran provided refuge to 'Qulbidin Hikmatyar' that was a 'political decision'
Iran supports Alawi Syrian government which is also a 'political decision'
but Pakistan's previous support to Taliban government was due to 'sectarian reason'

we also know exactly whats happening.

really ... ??

do you know a gangster who was providing shelters to Lasker-e-Jangvi (an organization who is responsible of killings of thousand Pakistani Shia specially the pilgrims near Pak-Iran border) in his areas of influence got arrested in a third country, was travelling on 'Iranian passport' .... ??

remember we're just about 1 meter away from pakistan borders . so with these kinda vague questions you're proving nothing .

oh that's great ..... why are you people waiting there be our guest

BTW what message do you want to convey by this vague statement .... ??

do some reality check bro

My dear Why should I differentiate among the KILLERS .... ??

& among the those innocent souls who got KILLED .... ??

This is the REALITY
 
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does this argument look sensible to you that 'who is killing more' ..... our problem is all those who are killing Pakistanis at the name religion, sect, politics or whatever the narrative suits to their agenda ....

Buddy, no matter how much you try, it's still self proclaimed 'Sunni terrorist groups' coming out of madrasas, who are responsible for 99.999% of terror attacks in Pakistan, and with Shias being specifically targeted for their beliefs, while Sunnis who oppose them are not spared either. Now if you think Shias are not different than those terrorists, that's your choice. You should be thankful Shias are not forming a powerful group to defend themselves and are asking the gov instead to defend them, but it seems Pakistani gov and army can not help them or prevent terrorists either, at least not in all cases.

Now if you are a 'Sunni', it's understandable if you can't easily accept the reality, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have some dignity to accept it eventually.


And btw, yes it DOES matter that who is killing how many people, there is a difference between someone who kills 1 (and if he actually has killed 1) and someone is hell bent on killing thousands and has achieved it.
 
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I've never heard of any Shia militants in Pakistan ever killing Pakistani soldiers, guess which certain group has been beheading Pakistani soldiers on cameras? How many Shia suicide bombers have blown themselves in markets or mosques? The people who keep pointing fingers at Iran are actually sectarian wahabis, they hide their real identity behind false Pakistani nationalism. These parasites are all over the net. When ever there is debate about Wahabi terrorism in Pakistan they come out of their holes to divert any debate. Their masters are in government and abroad too (KSA, Qatar). They simply don't want Pakistanis to unite against terrorism and instead blame everything on India, Israel, Iran or USA.

I condemn any killings but I have been following sectarian attacks in Pakistan for a long time, Pakistani Shia militant organisations were founded in response to mass killings of Shias during 1980s, it continued in 90s in Karachi, it was only thanks to MQM that Shia & Sunni killings slowed down in Karachi. Most Shia killings are now happening in Quetta.

One of the pigs our security establishment nurtured and adopted and responsible for murder of thousands of people.

Malik Ishaq
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