Cameron wants 'new special relationship' with India

[Nemesis]

Hindu way of life! what's that? Never understood the concept. Gogbot is right to an extent, Cameroon is mistaken if he thinks he can equate Hindu = India. It is BJP pandering.

But who cares? are we seriously fighting over ourselves because of what a British PM said? Divide and RULE~!!

 

[chachachoudhary]

Hindu way of life! what's that? Never understood the concept. Gogbot is right to an extent, Cameroon is mistaken if he thinks he can equate Hindu = India. It is BJP pandering.

But who cares? are we seriously fighting over ourselves because of what a British PM said? Divide and RULE~!!

Welcome to the world. Let the time pass, you will understand everything.

 

[bluefox]

If David Cameron , wanted to speak about a "new special relationship" with America.

He would not do so , while parsing Christians and their moral and ethical values at the same.

He would have spoken to them as a PM candidate , speaking to America.
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If you cant realise , that what he just did was represent india as a Hindu state in he world stage, something , i personally have not seen till now.

And i don't like it , neither should you.

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America and British are the same culture they donot need to complement their cultures .

Look i donot want to offend u but the most hippocritical ppl are ones who say they are atheists,i mean to disagree with something u need to have knowledge about it,and one more thing is secular is just a defination on paper no nation or no place on earth can put it into practice and u like it or not india is a huinduism centric country ,i mean look at every GOI offices what symbols do u find, what is the official way of innagurating any warship,tank,gun,offices etc etc ??

 

[gogbot]

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America and British are the same culture they donot need to complement their cultures .

Spoken like true foreigner ,

Americans and Brits have the same culture , Sure they have a lot of similarity's but no , not by any definition of the word are they the same.

If you actually know about British or American culture you would know that.

Look i donot want to offend u but the most hippocritical ppl are ones who say they are atheists,

I don't know what me being an Atheist has anything to do with it , but
feel free to rant and judge.

If you really want , my rational can be summed up with these two posters

i mean to disagree with something u need to have knowledge about it,

What are you getting at ?
and a word of advice if this is any way has anything to do with "***"
or "****" , don't bother replying , i don't want to go OT, nor would i like to preach to someone about by rational behind it.

I would truly be hypocritical at that point

and one more thing is secular is just a defination on paper no nation or no place on earth can put it into practice

A lot of things were just a definition on paper , but lucky for people like me most of those things are on papers called constitutions.

Last i checked , that piece of paper on which our nation was founded
clearly read secular.

I am pragmatic enough to know nothing can be perfect , but that is not excuse to stop trying.

Your free to be a cynic as much as you like.

But i happen to still seem have enough idealism , to hope for better future then the present.

Are same efforts in trying to purge racism can be applied to bringing about secularism

and u like it or not india is a huinduism centric country ,

it is practices by the majority so what , there are 300 million people who do not practice Hinduism , what about them ?

To me India will only be Indian centric.

i mean look at every GOI offices what symbols do u find, what is the official way of innagurating any warship,tank,gun,offices etc etc ??

that is not religion , superstition perhaps , may be even tradition.
Sure they may have origins in Hinduism.

But its not as if there are priests chanting mantras , as it would be if it was a religions event.

They have close ties with Hinduism ,
but they have more of a bearing with superstition such as good karma and bad karma , do they not
may be even a blessing from good spirits.

It is all very innocent .

frankly if it was all taken away , India would feel very strange to me

i would not call this an example of Hinduism.

 

[Parashuram1]

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America and British are the same culture they donot need to complement their cultures .

Look i donot want to offend u but the most hippocritical ppl are ones who say they are atheists,i mean to disagree with something u need to have knowledge about it,and one more thing is secular is just a defination on paper no nation or no place on earth can put it into practice and u like it or not india is a huinduism centric country ,i mean look at every GOI offices what symbols do u find, what is the official way of innagurating any warship,tank,gun,offices etc etc ??

This is what I meant in my first post, which unfortunately some members over-interpreted it as my bias in towards other faiths. The West is symbolized with Christianity even though people of all faiths live here. In East Asia, a visiting white European is almost always regarded as a "Christian". Turkish though secular and some of them even Atheists or Agnostic, are still considered Muslims by essence. A Chinese even after 60 odd years of Communist dictatorship, is still regarded as "Buddhist/Taoist" when he arrives in Europe even though he might be an Atheist.

Likewise, the first thing that comes in the minds of Westerners when "India" is mentioned is the Aum, the yoga, the ayurveda medicine system, the rich Sanskrit literature etc.

This is a concept in the subject "Understanding International Cultures" which is often taught to acquaint migration oriented countries' native citizens with the cultures of foreign faiths. It is always the historical identity of a person attached to his land.

However, I assure all Indian members here that I meant no offense to any other faith.

 

[gogbot]

This is what I meant in my first post, which unfortunately some members over-interpreted it as my bias in towards other faiths. The West is symbolized with Christianity even though people of all faiths live here. In East Asia, a visiting white European is almost always regarded as a "Christian". Turkish though secular and some of them even Atheists or Agnostic, are still considered Muslims by essence. A Chinese even after 60 odd years of Communist dictatorship, is still regarded as "Buddhist/Taoist" when he arrives in Europe even though he might be an Atheist.

Is'nt that just stereotyping ?

Likewise, the first thing that comes in the minds of Westerners when "India" is mentioned is the Aum, the yoga, the ayurveda medicine system, the rich Sanskrit literature etc.

They also think taj mahal , Himalayas , New Dehli , Mahatma Ghandi(who by the way dies perching secularism) the freedom struggle , all things cricket , IT , of course the billion + population , delicious curry and so on and on and on.
Not to mention all the negative connotations that i would rather not mention

Point being , you should not generalise.

This is a concept in the subject "Understanding International Cultures" which is often taught to acquaint migration oriented countries' native citizens with the cultures of foreign faiths. It is always the historical identity of a person attached to his land.

You lost me here , what are you trying to say.

However, I assure all Indian members here that I meant no offense to any other faith.

Fair enough.

 

[psychedelic_renegade]

Calling India Hindu country(which I'm sure Mr Cameron or anyone in this forum didn't mean to say) is necessarily evil, religion is for individual's practise, not state's policy. State's should not be anyhow intertwines with religion, when clergies have a say on how a state should run, that historically brings upon crusade and jihad, no offence to anybody or any religion.

 

[KS]

I my opinion we r all dwelling too much on wat Cameron said innocently at a hindu function in UK..

wether we like it or not..for europeans India is essentially a hindu country not a christian/muslim one.

We know abt ourselves and instead of arguing over this petty matter,,we shall give it a rest.

 

[bluefox]

Spoken like true foreigner ,

Americans and Brits have the same culture , Sure they have a lot of similarity's but no , not by any definition of the word are they the same.

If you actually know about British or American culture you would know that.

Dude when large amount of cultural practices are common then to societies move close.

I don't know what me being an Atheist has anything to do with it , but
feel free to rant and judge.

If you really want , my rational can be summed up with these two posters

u want to know my logic ??see ur 2nd pics writings which symbolises christianity getting up sunday etc etc but dude in my way of life i wake up at any time in the day and thank god for giving me a Human's life

What are you getting at ?
and a word of advice if this is any way has anything to do with "***"
or "****" , don't bother replying , i don't want to go OT, nor would i like to preach to someone about by rational behind it.

I would truly be hypocritical at that point



A lot of things were just a definition on paper , but lucky for people like me most of those things are on papers called constitutions.

who cares ?? even the politicians dont care,, well its a large debate nd ill save it for some other day,but i hope life is for fact not some writings on any rule book..

Last i checked , that piece of paper on which our nation was founded
clearly readsecular.

I am pragmatic enough to know nothing can be perfect , but that is not excuse to stop trying.

Your free to be a cynic as much as you like.

But i happen to still seem have enough idealism , to hope for better future then the present.

Are same efforts in trying to purge racism can be applied to bringing about secularism

ur welcome to bury ur head in the sand but im sorry i live much closer to the real world and the fact is India is only a secular country on paper and so are all the countries that claim to be so,but the so called secular rules on paper as constitution helps keep the fundamentalist away from politics and im happy with it.

it is practices by the majority so what , there are 300 million people who do not practice Hinduism , what about them ?

To me India will only be Indian centric.



that is not religion , superstition perhaps , may be even tradition.
Sure they may have origins in Hinduism.

But its not as if there are priests chanting mantras , as it would be if it was a religions event.

They have close ties with Hinduism ,
but they have more of a bearing with superstition such as good karma and bad karma , do they not
may be even a blessing from good spirits.

It is all very innocent .

frankly if it was all taken away , India would feel very strange to me

i would not call this an example of Hinduism.

The reasons for calling atheists hypocrites is the above reason in bold.U guys know India is a hinduism centric country and u ur self accepted it in the above part in the bold but at the end deny that also..

well it is not worth arguing anymre to a person lyk u of such low standards wrt this feild.. Good life in ur dreamworld

 

[psychedelic_renegade]

Atheism in Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Indian Nobel Prize-winner Amartya Sen, in an interview with Pranab Bardhan for the California Magazine published in the July-August 2006 edition by the University of California, Berkeley states:
“ In some ways people had got used to the idea that India was spiritual and religion-oriented. That gave a leg up to the religious interpretation of India, despite the fact that Sanskrit had a larger atheistic literature than what exists in any other classical language. Madhava Acharya, the remarkable 14th century philosopher, wrote this rather great book called Sarvadarshansamgraha, which discussed all the religious schools of thought within the Hindu structure. The first chapter is "Atheism" - a very strong presentation of the argument in favor of atheism and materialism

Dharmakirti, a 7th century buddhist philosopher deeply influenced by cārvāka philosophy, wrote in Pramanvartik:
वेद प्रामाण्यं कस्य चित् कर्तृवादः स्नाने धर्मेच्छा जातिवादाव लेपः|
संतापारंभः पापहानाय चेति ध्वस्तप्रज्ञानां पञ्च लिङगानि जाड्ये||
Believing that the Veda are standard (holy or divine), believing in a Creator for the world,
Bathing in holy waters for gaining punya, having pride (vanity) about one's caste,
Performing penance to absolve sins,
Are the five symptoms of having lost one's sanity.

So please before calling others ignorant, know your history and tradition better.

 

[bluefox]

Atheism in Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





So please before calling others ignorant, know your history and tradition better.

the title Atheism in Hinduism itself says all..Atleast do some reasearch on it if ur an atheist ,may be u ill understand that hinduism is the way this sub continent lives irrespective of their religions except a few in the abrahamic followers.


and plzz lets leave it here i know some ppl cant understand even i took many years to get out of ""CHE" fashion...

 

[T-Faz]

Just hope its not the kind of 'special relation' that Lord Mountbottom had with someone from India.

 

[psychedelic_renegade]

the title Atheism in Hinduism itself says all..Atleast do some reasearch on it if ur an atheist ,may be u ill understand that hinduism is the way this sub continent lives irrespective of their religions except a few in the abrahamic followers.


and plzz lets leave it here i know some ppl cant understand even i took many years to get out of ""CHE" fashion...

lol too old to wear fancy che tee-shirts. wiki quote was for your pot-shot against atheism, I'm not an atheist, I just don't care which religion I am or what you call my way of living. Abrahamic religions are part of Indian culture now, culture is not something stagnant, it's free flowing and integrating, accept it, sooner the better.

 

[gogbot]

Dude when large amount of cultural practices are common then to societies move close.

u want to know my logic ??see ur 2nd pics writings which symbolises christianity getting up sunday etc etc but dude in my way of life i wake up at any time in the day and thank god for giving me a Human's life


who cares ?? even the politicians dont care,, well its a large debate nd ill save it for some other day,but i hope life is for fact not some writings on any rule book..


ur welcome to bury ur head in the sand but im sorry i live much closer to the real world and the fact is India is only a secular country on paper and so are all the countries that claim to be so,but the so called secular rules on paper as constitution helps keep the fundamentalist away from politics and im happy with it.

The reasons for calling atheists hypocrites is the above reason in bold.U guys know India is a hinduism centric country and u ur self accepted it in the above part in the bold but at the end deny that also..

well it is not worth arguing anymre to a person lyk u of such low standards wrt this feild.. Good life in ur dreamworld

You know , you spent more time attacking me then you actually did my idea's
constantly discriminating against my atheist system

your just a cynic really .

You might as well have said that racism will always be a part of Human life .

You also made a mockery of the constitution , the very document on which then nation was founded, if the "politician" does not care as you say , isn't it our duty as citizens to care in their stead.
If you care not for it , why don't you go burn it up and use it for inder

Simply put , your argument that what ever religion that is practice by the majority means that nation has to be that religion centric.

wow , you blew my mind, I am also sure , that in a country full of white people , that country also has to be "white centric" , there cant be a equal society anywhere can there , nor will there ever be ?
best of luck to where you going

 

[chachachoudhary]

This is what I meant in my first post, which unfortunately some members over-interpreted it as my bias in towards other faiths. The West is symbolized with Christianity even though people of all faiths live here. In East Asia, a visiting white European is almost always regarded as a "Christian". Turkish though secular and some of them even Atheists or Agnostic, are still considered Muslims by essence. A Chinese even after 60 odd years of Communist dictatorship, is still regarded as "Buddhist/Taoist" when he arrives in Europe even though he might be an Atheist.

Likewise, the first thing that comes in the minds of Westerners when "India" is mentioned is the Aum, the yoga, the ayurveda medicine system, the rich Sanskrit literature etc.

This is a concept in the subject "Understanding International Cultures" which is often taught to acquaint migration oriented countries' native citizens with the cultures of foreign faiths. It is always the historical identity of a person attached to his land.

However, I assure all Indian members here that I meant no offense to any other faith.

Well said bro.