Cameron Conveys UK's Disappointment Over Bangladesh polls

[Kinetic]

cameron and disappointment!!! lol


his crying is worthless as a penny in 2014.

 

[mike2000]

Well, our prime minister does have a point. the elections were a sham. However, this doesnt means the current prime minister Hasina isnt recognised as the leader of Bengladesh, it just means the west/U.S are not really keen on bengladesh leadership that much. However the coming next election if theres no political inclusion, can lead to something more serious like a civil war , since i dont think the current government will be able to repeat what it did during last election in future.
However, Bengladesh is lucky its still a small country which our governments dont pay much attention to, otherwise the current regime would have been sanctioned and the media would have made a lot of (propaganda) noise about how evil the regime is.
So i dont read too much on Cameron speech, just some democratic lip service.

 

[arp2041]

cameron and disappointment!!! lol


his crying is worthless as a penny in 2014.

YES!!!

That too in front of a Powerful Lady PM like Ms. Hasina.

Without BD relations Britain is DOOMED.

 

[Echo_419]

Well, our prime minister does have a point. the elections were a sham. However, this doesnt means the current prime minister Hasina isnt recognised as the leader of Bengladesh, it just means the west/U.S are not really keen on bengladesh leadership that much. However the coming next election if theres no political inclusion, can lead to something more serious like a civil war , since i dont think the current government will be able to repeat what it did during last election in future.
However, Bengladesh is lucky its still a small country which our governments dont pay much attention to, otherwise the current regime would have been sanctioned and the media would have made a lot of (propaganda) noise about how evil the regime is.
So i dont read too much on Cameron speech, just some democratic lip service.

You really overestimate yourself nowdays

 

[Asian.Century]

Does anyone now listens to UK or David Cameron, with the history of war crimes themselves. lol

 

[mike2000]

YES!!!

That too in front of a Powerful Lady PM like Ms. Hasina.

Without BD relations Britain is DOOMED.

ahahahah, powerful lady PM? are u serious or being sarcastic bro?
if you mean powerful as in rigging election and imprisoning her opponents then yes i will agree she is powerful indeed.
As i said before, India and bengladesh leadership dont need to worry though, we dont care much about the country, since its still a small country with no real interests for our leaders/interests. So we wont do anything apart from 'democratic' lip service.

 

[kalu_miah]

ahahahah, powerful lady PM? are u serious or being sarcastic bro?
if you mean powerful as in rigging election and imprisoning her opponents then yes i will agree she is powerful indeed.
As i said before, India and bengladesh leadership dont need to worry though, we dont care much about the country, since its still a small country with no real interests for our leaders/interests. So we wont do anything apart from 'democratic' lip service.

We are thankful for Cameron to tell the truth, even if it is as lip service with no action backing it up.

But the more interesting question is how did you get so much correct information about Bangladesh? Is this a common perception for people in UK about Bangladesh and its recent political twists and turns, or you have some special insight somehow. Please elaborate, if you may.

 

[mike2000]

We are thankful for Cameron to tell the truth, even if it is as lip service with no action backing it up.

But the more interesting question is how did you get so much correct information about Bangladesh? Is this a common perception for people in UK about Bangladesh and its recent political twists and turns, or you have some special insight somehow. Please elaborate, if you may.

well, im an avid lover of Asia and Africa. I have been to several countries in Asia several times and love the region. i also studied international relations in Uni during my undergraduate(in france). So i tend to know quite alot about many countries political landscape/geopolitics, and i always tend to leave aside my personal bias and try as much as possible to be honest/fair in my assessment when im in a discussion forum, unlike most members here who tend to be blind by their bias for their country or towards those countries they consider allies. I believe we are here to learn from each other,and respect other views as well. In this regard i have learn alot from members like Nihonji and Chinese dragon, who i like reading their comments/assessments because they tend to be constructive/elaborate in their arguments/comments, which i appreciate/admire alot.
Hopefully other members here can learn from that.

 

[kalu_miah]

well, im an avid lover of Asia and Africa. I have been to several countries in Asia several times and love the region. i also studied international relations in Uni during my undergraduate(in france). So i tend to know quite alot about many countries political landscape/geopolitics, and i always tend to leave aside my personal bias and try as much as possible to be honest/fair in my assessment when im in a discussion forum, unlike most members here who tend to be blind by their bias for their country or towards those countries they consider allies. I believe we are here to learn from each other,and respect other views as well. In this regard i have learn alot from members like Nihonji and Chinese dragon, who i like reading their comments/assessments because they tend to be constructive/elaborate in their arguments/comments, which i appreciate/admire alot.
Hopefully other members here can learn from that.

I appreciate your taking interest, most people usually don't care because Bangladesh is such a backwater.

I have seen your posts before and found them to be interesting and I thanked them if I recall correctly. I am familiar with @Nihonjin1051 and @Chinese-Dragon and they too are familiar with me, as we had a lot of mutual interaction.

So essentially you are a one off exception to the rule and most people in the UK are clueless about what is happening in Bangladesh? That kind of makes sense, as Bangladeshi people themselves are not quite aware of what is happening in the secrets corridor of power in their own country.

Much of the fiasco you see today started in an event called 1/11:
On the 1/11 Episode in Bangladesh: Renata Lok Dessallien on the denial mode | BDINN.com

WikiLeaks – Indian assessment and influence over Bangladesh during 1/11

Kumar and Hall-Hall described their conversation, agreeing that the recent decision by the caretaker government (CTG) in Bangladesh to allow Sheikh Hasina and Khaleda Zia to return had put that country at a crossroads. The government had gone back on its strategy to remove the two women from the political scene, they assessed, would be weakened, and the question now was whether the government will reassert itself by pushing the election schedule forward, or by digging in its heels and seeking to remain in power longer. Kumar presented a third option, that either the military or one of the women would stir up civil unrest, which could then be used as a pretext by the military to step in and take political control, although he admitted he did not believe a military coup was likely. Kumar suggested that now would be an opportune moment for the U.S., UK and India to agree on a core message to take to the caretaker government, pressing for elections and voter list reforms, providing support for the government as long as it sticks to a schedule for elections, and making clear that the military needs to remain out of politics. Hall-Hall noted that any coordination needed to remain invisible to the Bangladeshi public in order to avoid the perception of some sort of conspiracy.
3. (C) Kumar said India is concerned with the time frame for Bangladeshi elections, given -- in his analysis -- that the government has been weakened. He believed the interim government would benefit by moving up elections to the first quarter of 2008. He noted that he had been the notetaker for the April 4 meeting between Prime Minister Singh and Chief Advisor Fakhruddin, and his impression was that Fakhruddin "was not a free agent." Fakhruddin made no commitments and could not clearly explain the government's strategy, leading Kumar to believe Fakhruddin was merely the executor of the military's political control.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/wikileaks-–-indian-assessment-and-influence-over-bangladesh-during-1-11.85198/#ixzz3A25170vn

Now I will tell you a little inside story. A friend of mine is a close friend of Retd. General Moeen:
Moeen U Ahmed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What I heard from this friend:
- Gen. Moeen got backing of a (or the) super power to remove both Khaleda and Hasina from BD political scene
- he got guarantee for his security and escape (he is in the US now)
- so he went on and took over govt. as Armed forces chief and jailed these two leaders
- according to him, after several months, the superpower backtracked and asked him to release both of these leaders (I am suspecting India with their Zionist AIPAC friends had something to do with this)
- so essentially then India backed Hasina came to power with help of Gen. Moeen

Today Bangladesh is a killing field of political opponents, India virtually runs the country and RAW has agents sitting in DGFI controlling everything that goes on in the country. There is rumor that Hasina is protected by Indian special forces. RAB death squad kills for hire. Thousands have died in the last 2 years and are continuing to die every day.

So how should people of Bangladesh feel about this, when we find out that our fragile political balance was broken and one side allowed to take over, making Bangladesh a virtual colony of India?

Why are Indian officials in discussions with British officials about Bangladesh political scene?

So it seems that India was able to fully utilize its influence with US-UK to take control of Bangladesh. And at the same time, this same India is going full speed with BRICS and improving its relations with China. I will appreciate your comments on this whole affair. Please feel free to ask any questions.

@MBI Munshi @idune , please fill in where I may have missed and please take part in this discussion.

 

[mike2000]

I appreciate your taking interest, most people usually don't care because Bangladesh is such a backwater.

I have seen your posts before and found them to be interesting and I thanked them if I recall correctly. I am familiar with @Nihonjin1051 and @Chinese-Dragon and they too are familiar with me, as we had a lot of mutual interaction.

So essentially you are a one off exception to the rule and most people in the UK are clueless about what is happening in Bangladesh? That kind of makes sense, as Bangladeshi people themselves are not quite aware of what is happening in the secrets corridor of power in their own country.

Much of the fiasco you see today started in an event called 1/11:
On the 1/11 Episode in Bangladesh: Renata Lok Dessallien on the denial mode | BDINN.com

WikiLeaks – Indian assessment and influence over Bangladesh during 1/11


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/wikileaks-–-indian-assessment-and-influence-over-bangladesh-during-1-11.85198/#ixzz3A25170vn

Now I will tell you a little inside story. A friend of mine is a close friend of Retd. General Moeen:
Moeen U Ahmed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What I heard from this friend:
- Gen. Moeen got backing of a (or the) super power to remove both Khaleda and Hasina from BD political scene
- he got guarantee for his security and escape (he is in the US now)
- so he went on and took over govt. as Armed forces chief and jailed these two leaders
- according to him, after several months, the superpower backtracked and asked him to release both of these leaders (I am suspecting India with their Zionist AIPAC friends had something to do with this)
- so essentially then India backed Hasina came to power with help of Gen. Moeen

Today Bangladesh is a killing field of political opponents, India virtually runs the country and RAW has agents sitting in DGFI controlling everything that goes on in the country. There is rumor that Hasina is protected by Indian special forces. RAB death squad kills for hire. Thousands have died in the last 2 years and are continuing to die every day.

So how should people of Bangladesh feel about this, when we find out that our fragile political balance was broken and one side allowed to take over, making Bangladesh a virtual colony of India?

Why are Indian officials in discussions with British officials about Bangladesh political scene?

So it seems that India was able to fully utilize its influence with US-UK to take control of Bangladesh. And at the same time, this same India is going full speed with BRICS and improving its relations with China. I will appreciate your comments on this whole affair. Please feel free to ask any questions.

@MBI Munshi @idune , please fill in where I may have missed and please take part in this discussion.

Nice to talk to you mt friend, and thanks for your kind replies/response.

Well, I cant blame India that much, of course its politics, every country always tries to protect their interests, and they normally will use any dirty trick to do so. it doesnt matter how bad/evil that trick might be, as far as it serves that country interests, it will be used. thats politics/geo politics unfortunately. Its same like our governments in the West/U,S singing democracy, free and fair elections, linerty, freedom of expressions etc against our rivals opponents like China, Iran, or Russia etc. This is all part of what we use to further our interests/make others naive people have a better image of us. It might be hypocritical, but yet if it serves our interests who cares?
Yes i know India has been/always tries to get involve in the internal affairs of Bengladesh and even sri lanka,Nepal etc. But i beleiev they do this to make sure their interests are protected in that region. Afterall, South Asia is the only region India has the potential to exert any influence in this world(though China has lots of economic involvement in this regiona as well), so being a big country, of course they will try to do that.
However despair not, its not like the current government will stay there forvever, they will also be toppled/defeated in future, just like the former BNP government who is now in opposition. So i cant really blame India for supporting your current government for their own interests, even though the government might be illegitimate. Its up to the people of Bengladesh and their politicians to try and protect theirm own interests and see through this. No country will ever come and help you develop yourself for you. You people have to stand up for yourselves bro.

One question, do you live in Bengladesh?

 

[kalu_miah]

Nice to talk to you mt friend, and thanks for your kind replies/response.

Well, I cant blame India that much, of course its politics, every country always tries to protect their interests, and they normally will use any dirty trick to do so. it doesnt matter how bad/evil that trick might be, as far as it serves that country interests, it will be used. thats politics/geo politics unfortunately. Its same like our governments in the West/U,S singing democracy, free and fair elections, linerty, freedom of expressions etc against our rivals opponents like China, Iran, or Russia etc. This is all part of what we use to further our interests/make others naive people have a better image of us. It might be hypocritical, but yet if it serves our interests who cares?
Yes i know India has been/always tries to get involve in the internal affairs of Bengladesh and even sri lanka,Nepal etc. But i beleiev they do this to make sure their interests are protected in that region. Afterall, South Asia is the only region India has the potential to exert any influence in this world(though China has lots of economic involvement in this regiona as well), so being a big country, of course they will try to do that.
However despair not, its not like the current government will stay there forvever, they will also be toppled/defeated in future, just like the former BNP government who is now in opposition. So i cant really blame India for supporting your current government for their own interests, even though the government might be illegitimate. Its up to the people of Bengladesh and their politicians to try and protect theirm own interests and see through this. No country will ever come and help you develop yourself for you. You people have to stand up for yourselves bro.

One question, do you live in Bengladesh?

I live in the US, that is my location flag.

I totally agree with you that India would try to secure their interest by any means possible. That is elementary logic. That was not what my question was about.

My gripe is actually with the US/UK/West and UN who were instrumental to make this 1/11 interference happen, utilizing the UN Peace Keeping forces revenue earned by the Army as a leverage, which provided India the opportunity to use this opening to turn Bangladesh into a vassal state or colony, by breaking down our fragile political balance. What is in it for the US/UK and their surrogate UN, to play with the fate of Bangladeshi's and to be used as a tool of India to screw Bangladesh?

We are trying to stand up on our own and were doing just fine, till you guys barged in with your 1/11 and shot us down. What gives? What is in it for the West? Helping your supposed "ally" India, so India will help the US with its Asian Pivot? Looks like India is interested in no such thing, instead India is playing both sides to maximize their benefit (BRICS bank, AIDB etc.) by staying neutral.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

I appreciate your taking interest, most people usually don't care because Bangladesh is such a backwater.

I have seen your posts before and found them to be interesting and I thanked them if I recall correctly. I am familiar with @Nihonjin1051 and @Chinese-Dragon and they too are familiar with me, as we had a lot of mutual interaction.

So essentially you are a one off exception to the rule and most people in the UK are clueless about what is happening in Bangladesh? That kind of makes sense, as Bangladeshi people themselves are not quite aware of what is happening in the secrets corridor of power in their own country.

Much of the fiasco you see today started in an event called 1/11:
On the 1/11 Episode in Bangladesh: Renata Lok Dessallien on the denial mode | BDINN.com

WikiLeaks – Indian assessment and influence over Bangladesh during 1/11


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/wikileaks-–-indian-assessment-and-influence-over-bangladesh-during-1-11.85198/#ixzz3A25170vn

Now I will tell you a little inside story. A friend of mine is a close friend of Retd. General Moeen:
Moeen U Ahmed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What I heard from this friend:
- Gen. Moeen got backing of a (or the) super power to remove both Khaleda and Hasina from BD political scene
- he got guarantee for his security and escape (he is in the US now)
- so he went on and took over govt. as Armed forces chief and jailed these two leaders
- according to him, after several months, the superpower backtracked and asked him to release both of these leaders (I am suspecting India with their Zionist AIPAC friends had something to do with this)
- so essentially then India backed Hasina came to power with help of Gen. Moeen

Today Bangladesh is a killing field of political opponents, India virtually runs the country and RAW has agents sitting in DGFI controlling everything that goes on in the country. There is rumor that Hasina is protected by Indian special forces. RAB death squad kills for hire. Thousands have died in the last 2 years and are continuing to die every day.

So how should people of Bangladesh feel about this, when we find out that our fragile political balance was broken and one side allowed to take over, making Bangladesh a virtual colony of India?

Why are Indian officials in discussions with British officials about Bangladesh political scene?

So it seems that India was able to fully utilize its influence with US-UK to take control of Bangladesh. And at the same time, this same India is going full speed with BRICS and improving its relations with China. I will appreciate your comments on this whole affair. Please feel free to ask any questions.

@MBI Munshi @idune , please fill in where I may have missed and please take part in this discussion.

No you are pretty much spot on about 1/11 ....

 

[arp2041]

But the more interesting question is how did you get so much correct information about Bangladesh? Is this a common perception for people in UK about Bangladesh and its recent political twists and turns, or you have some special insight somehow. Please elaborate, if you may.

Yes, you are right, People in the UK think about BD, talk about BD, listen about BD all day all night............

They have no else work to do & not to think about any other nation in 200+ group of nations in this world but BD.

As BD is the most IMPORTANT country on Earth & Mars combined!!!

Long Live BD!!!

I am familiar with @Nihonjin1051 and @Chinese-Dragon and they too are familiar with me, as we had a lot of Physical interaction.

@Nihonjin1051 & @Chinese-Dragon what am I reading mate???

 

[Aepsilons]

@Nihonjin1051 & @Chinese-Dragon what am I reading mate???

He said mutual. Plus, don't you know, we three are regular hookah brothers. LOL!

 

[Luffy 500]

Well Hasina seem to have made up her mind to relay on Putin and Modi and navigate her way through. Her visit to Japan also didn't go as she hoped. Though IMO Western countries are only giving lip service to the cause of democracy in BD which is literally non-existent now. Good news is Hasina doesn't have a successor. Joy will simply run off to US when push comes to shove while BAL doesn't have the electoral base to compete in inclusive fair national election. If only opposition could muster a strong enough protest , witch Hasina would have been long gone. What a sad state of affairs.