California shooter studied at Al-Huda institute: teacher

[rockstar08]

The only thing such denial achieves is that it allows the problem to grow even bigger.

Exactly .......... Prime example is Lal Mosque and its siege ..
we learn nothing from our past mistakes ..

 

[RoadRunner401]

Sooner or later Pakistanis have to deal with this issue. There is no avoiding it.

As long as Saudis man in Pakistan is in charge that's not happening. What I did notice that even on this forum more and more Pakistanis are talking about it, before it was a taboo subject and people were afraid to point the fingers.

 

[rubyjackass]

It depends on who you ask.

What if I ask you

 

[RoadRunner401]

What if I ask you

With that name, he is prime target.

 

[VCheng]

As long as Saudis man in Pakistan is in charge that's not happening. What I did notice that even on this forum more and more Pakistanis are talking about it, before it was a taboo subject and people were afraid to point the fingers.

Even now, there are limits that must be followed. This rabid rot runs deep and wide through Pakistani society in all sorts of ways.

What if I ask you

I would respectfully decline to answer, given the above.

With that name, he is prime target.

Shias are still being killed, as well as other minorities as a manifestation of this extremist ideology that wider society does not stop because they are falling in line with its commands, like religious zombies.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sooner or later Pakistanis have to deal with this issue. There is no avoiding it.

As horrible as it is, terrorist attacks such as the one in San Bernardino play a role in pushing the discussion forward on dealing with extremist religious organizations that may not have direct ties to terrorism, but who promote an intolerant and extremist ideology that appears to form the ideological foundation for some individuals who go on to commit terrorism.

 

[rubyjackass]

With that name, he is prime target.

I am sorry what does his name say?

 

[VCheng]

As horrible as it is, terrorist attacks such as the one in San Bernardino play a role in pushing the discussion forward on dealing with extremist religious organizations that may not have direct ties to terrorism, but who promote an intolerant and extremist ideology that appears to form the ideological foundation for some individuals who go on to commit terrorism.

Good sentiments, but when it comes to actions rather than mere words, most of those participating in such discussions fizzle away. It is time to realize that the majority of Pakistani society now believes in the intolerant and extremist Islamist ideologies, whether overtly or covertly.

 

[RoadRunner401]

Even now, there are limits that must be followed. This rabid rot runs deep and wide through Pakistani society in all sorts of ways.
Shias are still being killed, as well as other minorities as a manifestation of this extremist ideology that wider society does not stop because they are falling in line with its commands, like religious zombies.

I will agree to disagree. If majority was falling in line with this extremist ideology. In recent elections religious fundos would have made major breakthrough. After the terrorist attacks, be it on Shia or any other minorities, every body in the area comes to help regardless of their personal believes.

Problem isn't going away because people that can make a difference, don't want to lose '' Halal dollars''.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

As long as Saudis man in Pakistan is in charge that's not happening. What I did notice that even on this forum more and more Pakistanis are talking about it, before it was a taboo subject and people were afraid to point the fingers.

Even the 'Saudis man' has backed off (or been forced to) - could anyone have imagined Nawaz Sharif (let alone Pakistan's parliament) choosing to not blindly support the Saudi Military campaign in Yemen, especially after the pretty arrogant threats and abuse hurled by GCC officials at Pakistan over the decision.

Good sentiments, but when it comes to actions rather than mere words, most of those participating in such discussions fizzle away. It is time to realize that the majority of Pakistani society now believes in the intolerant and extremist Islamist ideologies, whether overtly or covertly.

Change takes time. The fact that such discussions are even occurring with the frequency that they are is a huge improvement. You need to think of the process of change here in much the same way as you argue for patience when it comes to change in civilian government and democracy.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It depends on who you ask.

Islam and "more"

 

[VCheng]

Change takes time. The fact that such discussions are even occurring with the frequency that they are is a huge improvement. You need to think of the process of change here in much the same way as you argue for patience when it comes to change in civilian government and democracy.

Oh I can be patient because I can afford the time. Does Pakistan have the time to be patient?

Islam and "more"

It is this "more" part that is the problem.

I will agree to disagree. If majority was falling in line with this extremist ideology. In recent elections religious fundos would have made major breakthrough. After the terrorist attacks, be it on Shia or any other minorities, every body in the area comes to help regardless of their personal believes.

Problem isn't going away because people that can make a difference, don't want to lose '' Halal dollars''.

Just keep in mind that these extremists are not going to play by election rules, they are working towards an out-and-out revolution that puts them in power.

 

[Zarvan]

I dont know how many of you will disagree, but I have never liked Farhat Hashmi and her AL-Huda.

I wonder where she gets all this money to have a network of schools in Pakistan. She preaches a very extreme Wahabi/saudi style version of religion.

We certainly need to disconnect ourselves from Saudi version of Islam. We have seen enough of this version in shape of Taliban and now Farhat Hashmi.

Really bring proof from Quran and Sunnah. She doesn't teach extremism she teaches Quran and Sunnah.

 

[barbarosa]

we thinks that pakistani people who live in europe and usa they are the real enemy of pakistn more than ttp and mulla fazal ul allah.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Oh I can be patient because I can afford the time. Does Pakistan have the time to be patient?

I had to smile here, and don't take this the wrong way, but your argument mirrors those who support some form of 'military led autocratic rule' that would 'clean the system' because 'Pakistan cannot afford to be patient and allow the democratic process to work out its kinks'.