California Considers Leaving US After Trump Win

[takeiteasy]

The White Nationalists and White American men voted Trump to power. The feminism, Capitalist Jewish lobbies and liberalism bringing in skilled brown people from Asia..these all was going a bit high and it surely pissed off a large number of whites, who believes the American civilization is built by American white men and their ancestors. - May be some truth?

 

[Blue Marlin]

Oh yes.

Media: "The Sea of Humanity is all along this road".

Viewer: "Hey honey, all I see are a bunch of sore-losers that too maybe 30."

Dude, she got ~1M votes, the vast majority FROM California.



I have OCD, I can't bare to look at a flag with 51 stars.



And the US Military would have fu<k them over. Attempt any stupidity of secession

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yeah 50 is enough, invading canada is a bad idea

 

[forsigmar]

Very unlikely to happen, CA will have to take part of the National debt, and make its own currency. CA will also have to negotiate a trade agreement with President Trump, who will NOT look kindly on CA.

 

[padamchen]

Are you guys serious?

Countries like India and Pakistan talk about nukes when the discussions moves towards loss of any territory, however small.

And the US is going to let California secede? Some strong stuff being smoked by the said Californians.

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

I'd happily trade California for Alberta

California is in for a rude awakening if the drought continues, that $50 billion dollar agri-economy will collapse. Silicon valley is becoming irrelevant now with the raise of China, soon they won't be just building for the West, but,designing and innovating to compete against them.

You can keep deadmonton and everything north of it including First Nations territory and their headaches, leave Calgary and everything good in Alberta to us

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

And how much of that trade is with the other US States?

The Pentagon isn't going to jeopardize National Security because California was part of the US. And that's just the STEM part of the Silicon Valley.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I'd happily trade California for Alberta

California is in for a rude awakening if the drought continues, that $50 billion dollar agri-economy will collapse. Silicon valley is becoming irrelevant now with the raise of China, soon they won't be just building for the West, but,designing and innovating to compete against them.

Is California depending on neighbouring states for their water supply?

I think they are overreacting.
Trump will only become president when Hell freezes over.

Oops!

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Is California depending on neighbouring states for their water supply?

Yes.

Water, Electricity.

R&D from Feds. Manufacturing Factories of American TNCs (Defense Sector)

Succession isnt new. Cities have seceded from the borders drawn by the larger cities, portions of Counties within States.

But as far as States go from the United States, noone is stupid enough. The Invisible Hand keeps separatists away. For a State to leave all the other States have to agree (3/4) or Us Congress (2/3).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ant-to-secede-from-the-u-s-a-four-step-guide/

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

I always wish my American friends the best, even if I disagree with their choices, but I sincerely hope this situation works out for you guys, or else it's going to be four long years of this:

Democrats

Republicans

Libertarians

Independents

Long ago, the parties lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Republican Lord Great Emperor Field Admiral Donald J. Trump won the Republican nomination, and later became the POTUS.

Only the Avatar, master of all the parties, could stop him.

But when America needed him most, he was conspired against by his own.

Days pasted before Obama and Hillary accepted their mistake.

A democratic socialist named Bernie Sanders, so old he probably watched the Prophet Moses(PBUH) split the Red Sea.

And although his political & economic philosophies were great, he has a lot more to do before he can save anyone.

But I believe Bernie Sanders can save the World.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Bernie and Warren will be a bit old come 2020, but how do you feel about young blood like Cory Booker?

We need someone who's parents had to decide whether to pay the rent of eat 3x a day. No more silver spoon fed idiots.

Someone who talks about America being a "Salad Bowl" not "mixing pot". Everyone is different but we all add to whats great (even though salads are not).

Someone who's consistent. Not appealing to a demographic because she couldn't get their support in the Primaries. It's one thing to change your views in years, quite another to do so in 2 months.

Someone with Policy. If you're running on the anatomy between your legs or the color of your skin, you lost my vote. I want to know what you'll do to keep America protected, employed, educated, fed.

Someone who understands America isn't the World but part of it. Each country is going to have different interests ad policies, but America can't carry everything unilaterally we have to work with allies.

Someone who balances obligations. Debt is not a bad thing, but ridiculous "pork barrel" spending? Bridge to No-Where? Airport for No-One? Tanks the Army doesn't want?

Someone who speaks for America. Not to special interests. Bring back the "Fire-side Chats". Engage the American Citizen ask for their help. Don't allow someone to hold the American People hostage because of a few $Billion fight over the Budget.

The modern Democratic party, what we see to day, is the legacy of former President Bill Clinton. It's social/economic/political views are his and his family's. Just like the Republican party is one of former President Bush. Times have changed. The vast majority of Americans are the millennials defined by not just 9/11, Afghanistan/Iraq, or the financial recession.

We faced a crisis after crisis. But yet we don't have a baseline economic policy, inner cities are getting poorer the richer are increasing their wealth. I understand the economics of inequality, but when the gap of an industrialized economy is only widening there is a problem and it's not over "fair share of taxes".

 

[LA se Karachi]

EDITED: ~200k more votes.

Already up to about 600,000 now. Your original figure of 1,000,000 will be closer to the eventual result.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

And how much of that trade is with the other US States?

The Pentagon isn't going to jeopardize National Security because California was part of the US.

You seem to have misunderstood my previous post. I wasn't implying that California should try to leave the union, I don't think it should. Or that the US would let it leave if it wanted to, because it wouldn't.

I was just responding to the member who made it sound as if California's economy is tied to agriculture, because nothing could be further from the truth. We're not farmers. I don't know if his figure of $50 billion was correct, but it may have been. Either way, in an economy of $2-2.5 trillion, the collapse of that relatively small industry can only have so much of an impact on the state.

And that's just the STEM part of the Silicon Valley.

Well, only so much of the Silicon Valley (if you're referring to it in a geographical sense) is tied to STEM. Though, it is a large portion. I was just responding to the claim that the Silicon Valley is not doing well anymore. On the contrary, it is doing quite well:

"Real GDP increased by 8.9% in the San Jose metropolitan area in 2015, or more than twice the state
gain and nearly four times the national average. While GDP estimates are not available for the San
Francisco metro area separately, when combined with the East Bay GDP grew by 4.1%"


"---The Peninsula added 65,600 jobs and 39,800 residents in past 12 months

---Silicon Valley unemployment rate is below 4 percent, lowest since 2000

---Peninsula is 60,000 housing units short of those needed to accommodate population growth over
past nine years"

http://www.jointventure.org/images/stories/pdf/update-2016-11.pdf

 

[forsigmar]

Another interesting point is that a lot of the major tech companies are incorporated in Delaware, not California, where taxes are lower:

Secessionists point out that California receives only 94 cents in federal spending for every dollar it pays in income tax. Yet leaving could sever crucial ties to the rest of the country. Southern California gets most of its water from the Colorado River in Arizona, and the entire state’s natural gas and oil supply arrives through pipelines coming from Texas. Many California-based companies are incorporated in Delaware, for the lower tax rates.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-11/silicon-valley-s-secessionist-fever-dream

Add water rights, gas and oil supplies and trade ties with the rest of the US, which would be soured and need to be negotiated, and there's an extensive hill to climb. It's not as if California could leave the US today and nothing would have changed for it. It'd be hurt.

This talk is just people being angry with the outcome of the election. Democracy is funny that way, it leaves a lot of people pissed, but it's the system the Americans chose and it's the system they want to live with. Like past protests after elections, these will die down too. They've just got a bit more life in them and there's more steam to vent this time around.

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I always wish my American friends the best, even if I disagree with their choices, but I sincerely hope this situation works out for you guys, or else it's going to be four long years of this:

California has alot of gas and oil but can't drill due to environmental laws.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Just got back from walking outside about an hour ago. Got called a Racist Trump supporter several times, all because I'm white.

I'm really loving it that Trump won, all the true colors of Americans are coming out.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Did you make that yourself? It's brilliant!!

I edited the version from here:

http://allisonofthefirenation.tumbl...democratic-republican-libertarian-independent

I'm really loving it that Trump won, all the true colors of Americans are coming out.

Careful. Trump supporters are getting jumped.

 

[LA se Karachi]

California has alot of gas and oil but can't drill due to environmental laws.

Even though it has environmental laws and regulations in place, it still pumps out and refines a lot of oil:

"Excluding federal offshore areas, California ranked third in the nation in crude oil production with over 200 million barrels in 2014. Despite an overall decline in production since the mid-1980s, California has 2.9 billion in proven reserves, behind only Texas and North Dakota. California ranks third in the nation in petroleum refining capacity and accounts for more than one-tenth of the total U.S. capacity. To meet strict federal and state environmental regulations, California refineries are configured to produce cleaner fuels, and they often operate at or near maximum capacity because of the high demand for these petroleum products."

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/100515/us-states-produce-most-oil.asp