C-Voter survey shows what Indians feel about China, Bangladesh and Pakistan. It’s startling

[Tom-tom]

The title is misleading. The title is mentioned in the article that 20% of population might consider migration to Bangladesh.

India's future lies with Indians living inside India.

20% is more than the people of Bangladesh, this is significant for Bangladesh.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

1. If the salaries of the engineers cannot be lowered drastically then the salaries of the security person / persons and cleaners can be increased such that there is a meeting of the salaries to an agreement point.

2. Though I won't reveal the nature of the work I will say that it is in fundamental classic binary computing. The engineers won't have such work anywhere else in India so I will make them aware the prestige of the work and convince them that though they won't get salaries they would in the huge companies TCS or Infosys these two companies are not respectable in the real sense so the engineers will have to bear with a lesser but comfortable salary for the moment.

3. I don't think marketers, accountants and managers are needed at this point.

People can agree to work for lesser pay in a less prestigious, non corporate environment. Small companies have their own advantage and attractions, but then why wouldn't most prefer to work as cleaner instead of bothering with high stress, performance oriented job such as technician or engineer? Moreover, where will you find the money to give the same high salary to everyone in the company? You will be setting yourself up for failure, thus no one will want to invest in you.

 

[jamahir]

but then why wouldn't most prefer to work as cleaner instead of bothering with high stress, performance oriented job such as technician or engineer?

Well, my desired company will not be a high stress one. Yes there will be the target of the required prototype but there will be no "monthly assessment" or exams of the workers in the manner of TCS, Infosys etc. This story will not be existent in my company :

Updated on Apr 18, 2009 12:45 AM IST
Hindustan Times | By BR Srikanth, Bangalore

A trainee software engineer at Infosys Technologies committed suicide on April 14 at the company’s Mysore campus, 140 km from here. The reason, according to his suicide note: he could not secure good grades in the model tests during training.

Abhijit Mukherjee (23), who joined Infosys in February 2009, used a towel to hang himself from a ceiling fan in his room on the campus.

Next morning, his batch-mates found his body and called the police. A local police station officer, Venkatesh, told HT Abhijit was dejected with his own performance.

He said, “This boy came here from Kolkata for training. We informed his father Ashish Mukherjee, who came over along with some relatives and took the body after post-mortem to Kolkata. They left Mysore on Thursday.”

However, a senior police officer said Abhijit had left separate notes for his parents, younger brother, girlfriend and friends — all in English. He advised his brother to do well in studies, and take care of the parents.

He thanked his girlfriend for the time they had spent together and wished his friends. But, curiously, none of the notes mentioned any names.

An Infosys spokesperson said, “We are saddened by the demise of one of our employees, Mr Abhijit Mukherjee, under tragic circumstances… Infosys will provide all necessary support to the family in their hour of grief.”

T.V. Mohandas Pai, Head-HR and Education and Research of Infosys, did not take calls as he was on leave on Friday.

I must make the point here that despite all the stressed work at Infosys this 40-year-old idiotic computer company with 259,619 workers, most of them computer engineers, has not given the world a new microprocessor and operating system so what is all that stressed work for, including the suicide ? My company won't be like this place.

Moreover, where will you find the money to give the same high salary to everyone in the company? You will be setting yourself up for failure, thus no one will want to invest in you.

1. At this point it will be not a high salary but an equitable one.

2. The products I speak of, nobody has done in India so that is one plus point. Let's see how the rest goes.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Well, my desired company will not be a high stress one. Yes there will be the target of the required prototype but there will be no "monthly assessment" or exams of the workers in the manner of TCS, Infosys etc.

It doesn't matter if you won't do performance review, fact is the job of cleaning a facility is not equal in productivity to the job of engineer/technician, thus the latter receive higher pay grade. Also, when you equalize everyone's pay it takes away the incentive to excel.

 

[jamahir]

It doesn't matter if you won't do performance review, fact is the job of cleaning a facility is not equal in productivity to the job of engineer/technician, thus the latter receive higher pay grade. When you equalize everyone's pay it takes away the incentive to excel.

How have the hundreds of thousands of non-cleaner, computer engineer workers in decades-old Infosys and TCS excelled in the computing field in the presence of regular performance reviews ? I repeat : I must make the point here that despite all the stressed work at Infosys this 40-year-old idiotic computer company with 259,619 workers, most of them computer engineers, has not given the world a new microprocessor and operating system so what is all that stressed work for, including the suicide ?

TCS and Infosys are code monkey companies, not worth the dirt on my fingernail. There will be some computer engineers there who will be talented but their talent is wasted in those companies. Those workers need guidance by a proper designer. The Indian IT company scene needs a cleansing. I must tell you that in an ITES company I worked for less than a year between 2013-14 I almost established a workers union. I foolishly resigned else this would have been the first workers union in the Indian IT / ITES industry.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Infosys this 40-year-old idiotic computer company with 259,619 workers, most of them computer engineers, has not given the world a new microprocessor and operating system so what is all that stressed work for, including the suicide ?

Infosys is not a microprocessor or operating system design company. I am guessing they are profitable in their business model and services. That is what matters.

You are ideologically assuming equal pay for everyone equates to happy workers. Happy workers are productive workers. Good companies review their management practises.

 

[jamahir]

Infosys is not a microprocessor or operating system design company. I am guessing they are profitable in their business model and services. That is what matters.

So the four decades of Infosys' existence and the five decades of TCS' existence just went by without them ever putting together a team of ten people under a designer, from among their hundreds of thousands of workers, in an attempt to design a processor and OS ? I will say what a waste. As to their being profitable in their own business model, which is doing that work for Westerners for which the Westerners will not do or will charge more, that work is inconsequential. Nothing intellectual.

You are ideologically assuming equal pay for everyone equates to happy workers. Happy workers are productive workers. Good companies review their management practises.

Well, equitable pay and the due human respect. And I am not disagreeing with you about productivity, it is important to extract it, just that companies like Infosys and TCS are wrong in their very existence whatever management practices they adopt.

 

[jamahir]

Also, when you equalize everyone's pay it takes away the incentive to excel.

It shouldn't be the lure of higher pay that should make one excel but contributing to the intellectual exercise of realizing a good project. I shouldn't be giving examples but do you think people join SpaceX or Relativity Space for the lure of money ?

Any middle class person in desi land who works voluntarily for money is a misguided person who should change himself. Money is an artificial construct and if a person thinks he should get higher money than another thus creating a disparity-filled society he is in the wrong. Please read and contribute to this thread of mine where I propose a new socio-economic system which has an evolved money system and manages to abolish the economic classes ( rich, middle, poor ).

 

[TNT]

@mods can you please ban this dumb idiot @jamahir . This moron derails every thread with his stupid childish nonsense.

 

[jamahir]

@mods can you please ban this dumb idiot @jamahir . This moron derails every thread with his stupid childish nonsense.

You did a haha to my post where I called for all workers to be considered equal partners. It is you being an idiot. So you don't consider people to be equals ? You want a caste system ? Why do you consider yourself to be a Muslim then ?

 

[TNT]

You did a haha to my post where I called for all workers to be considered equal partners. It is you being an idiot. So you don't consider people to be equals ? You want a caste system ? Why do you consider yourself to be a Muslim then ?

Seriously man? Are u high? Or u just stupid? People are equal but this doesn't mean everyone works the same and everyone should earn the same. Your idea is beyond stupid. A highly qualified engineer and a barely educated security guard would have same pay? Lolz i guess ur brain haven't evolved beyond chimpanzees.
Also you derail every thread, in every thread ull say something so stupid that everyone will start arguing and the main topic is derailed.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

It shouldn't be the lure of higher pay that should make one excel but contributing to the intellectual exercise of realizing a good project. I shouldn't be giving examples but do you think people join SpaceX or Relativity Space for the lure of money ?

Everyone is not being paid equal in SpaceX. Start ups may offer lower salaries with future stock options, but everyone doesn't get equal pay because there are key players on whom the company depends for success. In America, generally people take up professions for the love of what they do and workers want to take pride in what they do. They have minimum wage law with a few exceptions such as for waiter as most of their income comes from tips. In America it is customary to almost always tip waiters with the tip varying by how much you ordered and liked the service and to barbers when they do a good job.

 

[jamahir]

Seriously man? Are u high? Or u just stupid? People are equal but this doesn't mean everyone works the same and everyone should earn the same. Your idea is beyond stupid. A highly qualified engineer and a barely educated security guard would have same pay? Lolz i guess ur brain haven't evolved beyond chimpanzees.

OK, me with a chimpanzee brain will ask a simple question : Why have the approx two million "highly qualified" computer engineers in India not designed a single microprocessor and a single operating system yet ? Some of them are talented and sensible so have to be properly guided by a good system designer but the majority are dolts who are in the computing profession just because it is the in-thing.

Also you derail every thread, in every thread ull say something so stupid that everyone will start arguing and the main topic is derailed.

Look at the context of post# 10.

The company I desire to start will not have the workers unequal in salary and respect. This is fixed.

Everyone is not being paid equal in SpaceX. Start ups may offer lower salaries with future stock options, but everyone doesn't get equal pay because there are key players on whom the company depends for success.

I was the technological co-founder - a key player - of a computing company some years ago. The company dissolved within a year because of a foolishness I did. So, learning from that mistake and from the furtherance of my Communist socio-economic outlook, the new company I desire to start will neither be on the stock market nor will the workers be unequal in salary and respect. This is fixed and that is with respect to the current socio-economic system I live in. But the below thread is my proposal for a new socio-economic system where salary differences won't exist at all in any organization at system level because it has an evolved money system and where economic classes ( rich, middle, poor ) will have ceased to exist and where any person can potentially have access to any product or service :

A new economic system for the near-future

Hello, the below idea has been brewing in my head for some time and it came up during recent discussions with @Naofumi and @Soumitra in different threads. I present a new economic system that is needed especially in countries like India and Pakistan where old regressive social mores meet modern...

defence.pk

In America, generally people take up professions for the love of what they do and workers want to take pride in what they do.

That is good.

They have minimum wage law with a few exceptions such as for waiter as most of their income comes from tips. In America it is customary to almost always tip waiters with the tip varying by how much you ordered and liked the service and to barbers when they do a good job.

That disparity with the waiters is sad. When I go to a tea house or an eatery I tip at least 20 rupees.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Couldn't copy nd paste this article, a significant portion of under 25's and 30's population are considering migration to Bangladesh if the countries economic progress continues .

C-Voter survey shows what Indians feel about China, Bangladesh and Pakistan. It's startling

While Indians remain realistic when it comes to the “eternal” friendship between China and Pakistan, many are on the fence about Bangladesh.

theprint-in.cdn.ampproject.org

Who cares what some highly racially inferior and hyper ugly sub-human chimps think? Their animal thoughts and opinions mean NOTHING.........

 

[TNT]

OK, me with a chimpanzee brain will ask a simple question : Why have the approx two million "highly qualified" computer engineers in India not designed a single microprocessor and a single operating system yet ? Some of them are talented and sensible so have to be properly guided by a good system designer but the majority are dolts who are in the computing profession just because it is the in-thing.



Look at the context of post# 10.

The company I desire to start will not have the workers unequal in salary and respect. This is fixed.



I was the technological co-founder - a key player - of a computing company some years ago. The company dissolved within a year because of a foolishness I did. So, learning from that mistake and from the furtherance of my Communist socio-economic outlook, the new company I desire to start will neither be on the stock market nor will the workers be unequal in salary and respect. This is fixed and that is with respect to the current socio-economic system I live in. But the below thread is my proposal for a new socio-economic system where salary differences won't exist at all in any organization at system level because it has an evolved money system and where economic classes ( rich, middle, poor ) will have ceased to exist and where any person can potentially have access to any product or service :

A new economic system for the near-future

Hello, the below idea has been brewing in my head for some time and it came up during recent discussions with @Naofumi and @Soumitra in different threads. I present a new economic system that is needed especially in countries like India and Pakistan where old regressive social mores meet modern...

defence.pk

That is good.



That disparity with the waiters is sad. When I go to a tea house or an eatery I tip at least 20 rupees.

Because every engineer doesnt need to design a microprocessor or write an OS u dumbtard. Seriously at times it seems u do drugs n then come here to comment or maybe you are totally delusional and brain dead. Go on start that company lolz.