BYD: Road to Dominance of Electric Vehicle/Transport

[AndrewJin]

In the US, an average bus route runs from anywhere between 30-50 mile, and about 50 km to 70 km in Australia.

Hehe, highly doubted.
Are u sure? Probably never take a public bus in real life?
When I was in Perth, I used public buses everyday (Bassendean to Subiaco) and traveled extensively in big Aussie cities.
Better for you to do some research....
A bus in Brisbane, for example BUZ number 140 on the "fast" southeast busway from CBD to a very remote suburb, it takes 60 minutes to cover a distance of 25km (and it's called express service) if there is no congestion near Cultural Centre.
Though I do realise Australia has little interest in electric buses unlike under major countries.
Bigger city like Shenzhen can do it, but they have their own electric bus industry.
@ahojunk

 

[Nilgiri]

You do know this is the other way around? Right?

Most US Buses (Electric or Diesel) were made in Canada, the only remaining Buses or Coach in the US were Navistar, Blue Bird and GMC buses, almost all of them now solely made school buses. The last Commuter Bus company hold out til 2003 and sold to Canada's New Flyer.

So, for buses in north America, Canada is a lot bigger market than the US.



It is impossible to replace all city run around buses route to electric bus, the range these buses offered is not suitable for medium to long haul bus route, it may be suitable to some shuttle or urban loop service, but definitely not enough for suburban run.

In the US, an average bus route runs from anywhere between 30-50 mile, and about 50 km to 70 km in Australia. A single electric bus can have about 150 km range or 4 hours on station, which means a single bus would only be good for 2 round trip and they would need to be go back to the depot. Compare to the range the Diesel electric bus offer, you will need 3 or 4 electric bus to replace one single Diesel Electric bus on the same route.

Unless they can figure out how to WIfi Charge the bus or make the battery last longer, Electric Bus cannot replace most of the Diesel Bus route in near future.

Its not going to be 100% replacement obviously. But a certain large percentange for routes it makes sense. Hybrid buses are much more prevalent in the long term plans for my city and others.

 

[jhungary]

Hehe, highly doubted.
Are u sure? Probably never take a public bus in real life?
When I was in Perth, I used public buses everyday (Bassendean to Subiaco) and traveled extensively in big Aussie cities.
Better for you to do some research....
A bus in Brisbane, for example BUZ number 140 on the "fast" southeast busway from CBD to a very remote suburb, it takes 60 minutes to cover a distance of 25km (and it's called express service) if there is no congestion near Cultural Centre.
Though I do realise Australia has little interest in electric buses unlike under major countries.
Bigger city like Shenzhen can do it, but they have their own electric bus industry.
@ahojunk

lol, you took 2 bus routes and try to argue all Australian Buses route are short??

Have you actually been on any Public Transport in Australia? I am not talking about Express, how many express route is there in each city?

I lived in Sydney, I took 4 bus trip to and from work everyday. And with those 4 trips, 2 of them are medium range, and 2 of them are long. In Sydney, my city, buses route were divided by sections, from 1 to 15. Each section is about 2 to 3 Kilometers. For example. 2 sections bus ride from Parramatta City Interchange would get you to Woolworth in Granville, that's 4.5 km by car. 15 section would bring you about 45 km one way.

In Sydney, most City buses have 15 section, some less, but mostly more. it is not at all uncommon to have a bus to go over 60 minutes on a single trip. 705 from Parramatta to Blacktown Station Interchange. In a perfect day, it ran about 71 minutes from Blacktown to Parramatta. Which cover approximately 50 km ONE TRIP.

http://www.cdcbus.com.au/IgnitionSuite/uploads/docs/705 Timetable 30 April 2016.pdf

372 or 374 which is from City to Coogee, each runs about 40 minutes. That's a normal city route.

Depending on the Bus Company and the service they ran, usually if the bus company is a cross MetroCity, it will have a long haul service. Buses like 520, which connects Parramatta to City, would have a 82 minute travel time one way. Which approximately cover 65 km distant.

Then you have Metrobus, which connect MULTIPLE cities. M91 goes from Parramatta to Bankstown then to Hurstville, it take a whopping 110 minutes travel time.

Finally, intercity coaches, basically, it is a long haul route, which goes 200+ km route (like transitNSW regional coaches from Casino to Brisbane)

There are more intercity buses route than express route or city shuttle routes in Australia in general, for example, Hillbus (www.cdcbus.com.au) have appox 70% of their route have a travel time greater than 40 minutes, only 10% of their route are express/shuttle which is lower than 40 minutes, so you can go figure.

 

[AndrewJin]

lol, you took 2 bus routes and try to argue all Australian Buses route are short??

Have you actually been on any Public Transport in Australia? I am not talking about Express, how many express route is there in each city?

I lived in Sydney, I took 4 bus trip to and from work everyday. And with those 4 trips, 2 of them are medium range, and 2 of them are long. In Sydney, my city, buses route were divided by sections, from 1 to 15. Each section is about 2 to 3 Kilometers. For example. 2 sections bus ride from Parramatta City Interchange would get you to Woolworth in Granville, that's 4.5 km by car. 15 section would bring you about 45 km one way.

In Sydney, most City buses have 15 section, some less, but mostly more. it is not at all uncommon to have a bus to go over 60 minutes on a single trip. 705 from Parramatta to Blacktown Station Interchange. In a perfect day, it ran about 71 minutes from Blacktown to Parramatta. Which cover approximately 50 km ONE TRIP.

http://www.cdcbus.com.au/IgnitionSuite/uploads/docs/705 Timetable 30 April 2016.pdf

372 or 374 which is from City to Coogee, each runs about 40 minutes. That's a normal city route.

Depending on the Bus Company and the service they ran, usually if the bus company is a cross MetroCity, it will have a long haul service. Buses like 520, which connects Parramatta to City, would have a 82 minute travel time one way. Which approximately cover 65 km distant.

Then you have Metrobus, which connect MULTIPLE cities. M91 goes from Parramatta to Bankstown then to Hurstville, it take a whopping 110 minutes travel time.

Finally, intercity coaches, basically, it is a long haul route, which goes 200+ km route (like transitNSW regional coaches from Casino to Brisbane)

There are more intercity buses route than express route or city shuttle routes in Australia in general, for example, Hillbus (www.cdcbus.com.au) have appox 70% of their route have a travel time greater than 40 minutes, only 10% of their route are express/shuttle which is lower than 40 minutes, so you can go figure.

lol.
U do realize you are talking about Australia in general not Sydney alone right?
In Brisbane and Perth, bus routes are short.

4 bus trip?
That must be very ill designed network.

We are talking about bus within a city. It's really a waste of time(unless u have trash time) to discuss long-distance coach.

Australia should seriously consider do something, not just only think about beef export and detain offshore refuge seeker.

 

[jhungary]

Its not going to be 100% replacement obviously. But a certain large percentange for routes it makes sense. Hybrid buses are much more prevalent in the long term plans for my city and others.

Well, I still don't think it is possible even for half the route. Electric bus technology is not mature enough to stay out there as long as the DE Buses. And Electric bus only have a lower operation cost if you count them bus on bus, one on one. Problem is, you will need more than 1 Electric Bus to replace a single Diesel Electric, Buses usually run 16 hours a day, a electric bus can only stay out for at most 3 hours (4 hours full range but then you need to return to depot for service too) while a single Diesel Bus can stay out for 10+ hours, traditional wisdom suggested that you will need 3 Electric bus to replace one single Diesel Bus, by then the maintenance cost would be different.

Again, until better recharge or better battery technology, I cannot see electric bus replacing even a minor portion of DE bus routes. Considering there are more than 20,000 diesel/DE bus in US at the moment only less than 1000 electric. This alone is saying something here

lol.
U do realize you are talking about Australia in general not Sydney alone right?
In Brisbane and Perth, bus routes are short.

4 bus trip?
That must be very ill defined network.

I used to live in Logan, Brisbane. and also Tottenham in Melbourne, I know how buses works there, beside, Sydney and Melbourne alone have half the Australian Population, would you think Sydney and Melbourne have a lot more buses than the rest of the Australia combine??

If you have to pick a city to represent Australia (which you are doing it yourself too), Perth (the City you are using) is not a good indication, it's like I compare the public transport infrastructure in ACT then conclude the whole Australia is like what it was in ACT.

The big 3 buses company in Perth Operate some 1,390 bus fleet

Swan Transit - 492
Transdev WA - 548
Path Transit - 350

The Big 4 buses company in Sydney Operate some 4000 buses,

State Transit alone operate 2159 buses in all route,
followed by 781 with busway,
445 with Transdev and
1140 with combined CDC service (hillbus, westbus, Hunter Valley Buses.

Then you have smaller buses company and coaches company that operate regional route and intercity route as well as runaround route, which have another 1,000 buses added to the tally.

I took 4 buses because I cannot drive and there were no train where I live and where I work. Bus network is a lot better than train network in Sydney.

And lol just because China is good at electric bus, that does not necessarily mean Electric bus is the modern messiah of public transport. There is a reason why nobody ever interested in Electric bus in the first place. So you can save your "Beef" and "Asylum Seeker" argument.

 

[TaiShang]

BYD sets sights on streetcar network in smaller cities
China Daily, June 7, 2016

Chinese electric-car maker BYD Co Ltd will develop an electric streetcar network in smaller cities within the next five years to further expand its business, but some industry insiders say its plan lacks feasibility.

BYD Chairman and Chief Executive Wang Chuanfu made the announcement during the company's shareholders meeting on Monday.

According to Wang, electric streetcars will be deployed in the country's second-, third- and fourth-tier cities, though he did not elaborate.

The company said it has already set up a light-rail transit research institute to pave the way for the future development of the business.

"Compared with the metro, construction of streetcar networks requires less time, capital and technology, and the cost of operation and maintenance is relatively low," said Cheng Tao, deputy head of the College of Urban Rail Transit at Shenzhen University.

"But due to their slower speed, the efficiency of streetcars is lower than that of subways. While subways can carry 12,000 passengers per hour, streetcars can only take about 7,000."

Cheng said the lower cost of construction, operation and maintenance of streetcar networks is something that governments in small cities would be able to afford. Investment and financing channels as well as forms of operation can also be diverse, he added.

"Therefore, it is easy to achieve and promote, while at the same time easing traffic pressure in those cities."

Yu Qingjiao, president of Battery.com.cn, a leading website on the new-energy industry, however, is not that optimistic about the outlook for streetcars.

Electric streetcars may work well in short-distance transportation, for example in tourist attractions in a city, he said.

"But when it comes to applying it across the city, its feasibility is low as it is closely related to urban planning. There is little possibility that a city can allocate a certain part of its land to building rail lines," Yu said.

"The development of streetcar networks in cities faces many difficulties."

Yu's view was echoed by another analyst who declined to give his name.

"Building a streetcar network will take up a lot of road resources in a city and it is not that viable as traffic in many cities is already very congested," said the analyst from Essence Securities.

However, he added that developing streetcar networks may lessen the financial strain on governments in terms of subsidizing electric buses.

"At present, the subsidy for an electric bus can reach 500,000 yuan (US$76,219) per year or even more. That is a huge burden for governments. Streetcars, if propelled by power from cables, will help reduce the use of batteries, thereby contributing to savings in government spending."

BYD's Wang said the company's revenue is expected to top 100 billion yuan this year.

 

[AndrewJin]

Trams?

 

[qwerrty]

BYD in France, automakers launch DrivingZEV
Jun 15th 2016 at 5:59PM

BYD is making big moves with its electric buses in France. At the Transport Publics show in Paris, the Chinese automaker had its French debut of its 39-foot bus, along with the announcement of the sale of 16 EV buses to various French operators. Additionally, Parisian transport company RATP is undertaking a six-month trial of BYD's electric bus. From September 2016 until February 2017, the bus will run on two different routes in the French capital as the country looks to shift to cleaner fleets. "This is a significant step for BYD since France and in particular Paris is recognized as a public transport thought leader globally," says BYD Europe Managing Director Isbrand Ho. "We heard of the tremendous commitment to improving air quality by both the French government and the Paris regional government when we attended the UN's COP21 discussions here last December. Now, we are delighted to be contributing one of our buses to the trial program underway in the city." Read more about the bus sales here, and learn more about the trial with RATP here.

Colorado has signed legislation to promote EV sales through a revised income tax credit. House Bill 1332 streamlines existing EV tax incentives, which were based on a complicated formula involving battery size, car price, and federal tax credits. The new credit applies to any car with a battery bigger than 4 kWh. When purchasing, the buyer gets a $5,000 income tax credit. Lessees can claim a $2,500 credit. Furthermore, the customer can transfer the credit to a dealer or financing agency, essentially making it a point-of-sale incentive. Colorado expects the new legislation to further accelerate EV sales, which were up 10 percent in 2015 compared to 2014, despite the confusing credit math. Read more from the Southwest Energy Efficiency Project.

The Association of Global Automakers has launched DrivingZEV.com. The new website serves to provide information about green vehicle technologies, offerings from automakers, and track sales and progress toward zero-emission vehicle goals throughout the US. "The green vehicle marketplace is still relatively young, and consumer education is a significant component of DrivingZEV.com," says Global Automakers President and CEO John Bozzella. "We are committed to seeing these technologies succeed and hope that by increasing awareness of the new and exciting products out there we can help these states as they try to reach their ZEV requirements." Visit DrivingZEV, or read more in the press release below.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/15/byd-france-automakers-launch-drivingzev/

BYD, Nissan And Tesla Lead Worldwide EV Sales In First Four Months Of 2016
2 days ago

http://insideevs.com/byd-nissan-tesla-leads-plug-electric-car-sales-first-four-months-2016/

 

[qwerrty]

byd qc

 

[TaiShang]

Japanese companies are rather strong, either. I am surprised Volt so weak. They have been in the market for perhaps more than eight years.

 

[cirr]

BYD to make 5,000 electric buses annually

China Daily, June 18, 2016

Chinese electric-car maker BYD Co Ltd's new commercial vehicle factory in Qingdao, Shandong province, started production on Thursday. The facility is expected to manufacture up to 5,000 electric buses annually worth 10 billion yuan ($1.5 billion).

"We will deliver more new-energy buses and our operational experience to Qingdao," said BYD Chairman and CEO Wang Chuanfu.

"Meanwhile, we will continue to increase the capacity of the manufacturing base, from 1,000 units of electric buses in the beginning, to 5,000 units eventually," Wang added.

Built at a total cost of 3 billion yuan, the plant covers 66 hectares. It will also be BYD's Shandong headquarters, export center for its electric buses and its research and development center.

On Thursday, BYD delivered the first batch of its K9 electric buses to Qingdao Jowin Group, one of the city's leading public transport operators.

K9 is a 42-seat electric bus with a battery range up to 350 kilometers. It has a 12-meter body and other features including an electric air suspension system and a smart key system.

"Shandong is the second-biggest auto market in China," said Zhang Yu, managing director of Automotive Foresight Co.

"BYD's move is very likely to seize the Shandong market, as well as the North China market," he added. The company sold about 62,000 new-energy vehicles worldwide in 2016, up 235 percent year-on-year.

Wang said BYD was among the top sellers of new-energy vehicles in 2015, accounting for 11 percent of the global market.

http://www.china.org.cn/business/2016-06/18/content_38693313.htm

 

[TaiShang]

BYD (Shandong) to make 5,000 electric buses annually
China Daily, June 18, 2016

Chinese electric-car maker BYD Co Ltd's new commercial vehicle factory in Qingdao, Shandong province, started production on Thursday. The facility is expected to manufacture up to 5,000 electric buses annually worth 10 billion yuan ($1.5 billion).

"We will deliver more new-energy buses and our operational experience to Qingdao," said BYD Chairman and CEO Wang Chuanfu.

"Meanwhile, we will continue to increase the capacity of the manufacturing base, from 1,000 units of electric buses in the beginning, to 5,000 units eventually," Wang added.

Built at a total cost of 3 billion yuan, the plant covers 66 hectares. It will also be BYD's Shandong headquarters, export center for its electric buses and its research and development center.

On Thursday, BYD delivered the first batch of its K9 electric buses to Qingdao Jowin Group, one of the city's leading public transport operators.

K9 is a 42-seat electric bus with a battery range up to 350 kilometers. It has a 12-meter body and other features including an electric air suspension system and a smart key system.

"Shandong is the second-biggest auto market in China," said Zhang Yu, managing director of Automotive Foresight Co.

"BYD's move is very likely to seize the Shandong market, as well as the North China market," he added. The company sold about 62,000 new-energy vehicles worldwide in 2016, up 235 percent year-on-year.

Wang said BYD was among the top sellers of new-energy vehicles in 2015, accounting for 11 percent of the global market.

 

[AndrewJin]

BYD (Shandong) to make 5,000 electric buses annually
China Daily, June 18, 2016

Chinese electric-car maker BYD Co Ltd's new commercial vehicle factory in Qingdao, Shandong province, started production on Thursday. The facility is expected to manufacture up to 5,000 electric buses annually worth 10 billion yuan ($1.5 billion).

"We will deliver more new-energy buses and our operational experience to Qingdao," said BYD Chairman and CEO Wang Chuanfu.

"Meanwhile, we will continue to increase the capacity of the manufacturing base, from 1,000 units of electric buses in the beginning, to 5,000 units eventually," Wang added.

Built at a total cost of 3 billion yuan, the plant covers 66 hectares. It will also be BYD's Shandong headquarters, export center for its electric buses and its research and development center.

On Thursday, BYD delivered the first batch of its K9 electric buses to Qingdao Jowin Group, one of the city's leading public transport operators.

K9 is a 42-seat electric bus with a battery range up to 350 kilometers. It has a 12-meter body and other features including an electric air suspension system and a smart key system.

"Shandong is the second-biggest auto market in China," said Zhang Yu, managing director of Automotive Foresight Co.

"BYD's move is very likely to seize the Shandong market, as well as the North China market," he added. The company sold about 62,000 new-energy vehicles worldwide in 2016, up 235 percent year-on-year.

Wang said BYD was among the top sellers of new-energy vehicles in 2015, accounting for 11 percent of the global market.

I'm wondering when will BYD Wuhan start manufacturing...

 

[cirr]

I'm wondering when will BYD Wuhan start manufacturing...

BYD is going to end up with at least 20 manufacturing bases crisscrossing the country thanks to local or regional protectionism.

 

[AndrewJin]

BYD is going to end up with at least 20 manufacturing bases crisscrossing the country thanks to local or regional protectionism.

Produce in Hubei!
Or we're gonna build a wall around Hubei and Mexicans will pay it!