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Buying US Treasury Bonds, A Sucker’s Game

Noticed that :hitwall:

Look at Russia.

To be honest, I have no idea what these Treasury stuff is. I've been hearing about these Treasuries since the beginning of the 21st century and how the United States is collapsing due to the foreign ownership of these treasuries, but I don't see any of the conspiracy theories coming to fruition. It's 2013.

These US doomsday conspiracies theories appear to be nothing more than fantasies created by socialists/communists who have a nostalgia of the Soviet Union.
 
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To be honest, I have no idea what these Treasury stuff is. I've been hearing about these Treasuries since the beginning of the 21st century and how the United States is collapsing due to the foreign ownership of these treasuries, but I don't see any the conspiracy theories coming to fruition. It's 2013.

These US doomsday conspiracies theories appear to be nothing more than fantasies created by socialists/communists who have a nostalgia of the Soviet Union.

IT's not a doomsday theory - rather how the US has manipulated its currency and sold it's worthless debt, below is a simple example from the article - read up on the PDF file I have attached to know more.

Situation 1
Ask yourself this question – “Would you consider yourself prudent and reasonable and your bank prudent and reasonable in lending to a borrower a substantial sum of money in the following scenario?” Jack of All Trades (Jack) is applying for a loan of US$3 million from his bank for a business venture. Just in case he may not get the loan or as much as he has applied for, Jack has asked you to extend a personal loan of US$1.5 million as a short-term cushion. You have been friends for ages.

His present financial situation is as follows:
His only real tangible asset is his matrimonial home in joint names of Jack and his wife Jill. It is valued at US$2.5 million and has been mortgaged to Citibank. There is an outstanding loan amounting to US$2.2 million. He has not paid any installments for the last six months. Interest is compounding! Jack and Jill have outstanding credit card debts amounting to US$260,000 due to
five different credit card companies. Jack gets a reprieve because he was able to get new credit card accounts from a new set of credit card companies by transferring the outstanding balances as advertised in the marketing brochures of most credit card companies. These advertisements tease credit card debtors that on transfer, the interest levied would be lower. They are also in arrears on their car loans and the liability is US$65,000 The combined income of Jack and Jill is US$20,000 a month. Jill has just received a notice that she will be retrenched in three months’ time. I am confident that you would not agree to extend any loan to your friend and that his bank would likewise reject his loan application for the simple reason that the combined income stream of Jack and Jill (in the light of their present liabilities) would not be able to support such a credit application. The banker would be negligent or reckless to extend credit facility to Jack and Jill. But, that was what happened in USA when banks granted Sub-prime loans, “Liars Loans” etc.

Now, this treasury bond is a "junk" bond by all counts because of the huge debt that's at the background but the beauty lies in the manipulation:


To hoodwink the creditors, the FED adopted two strategies (and we must give credit to those fraudsters in the FED and treasury for their audacity in the execution of this fraud). Firstly, they ensured that the printing machine (digitally or otherwise) would be functioning at full speed without any glitches. They cannot afford a “Lucky” Jim scenario. With modern technology of the computer and the mouse, all that was needed was a simple click of the mouse, and there would be a Book Entry in the
FED’s computerised ledger in the columns - “Credit / Debit” and “Assets and Liabilities” – the requisite amount/value of the newly created digital monies. In technical jargon, the FED was monetising the debt by creating money out of thin air. But, for other countries and Joe Six-Packs, they have to work their guts out to earn an income, save the surplus to pay off any debts that they have incurred (borrowing US$) to purchase crude oil and other necessities (as all oil trades are denominated in US$ as well as other goods). We cannot create money out of thin air by the click of a computer mouse! But, then any massive money printing would devalue the currency, so some of the monies were diverted into the stock market to create “asset inflation” i.e. to artificially jack up the price of the assets – the shares quoted in the stock exchange, thereby creating an artificial demand for more US$ toilet paper money and hence its value would be maintained and at worse would not depreciate that much. The new monies were also used to pay off existing debts and to finance new debts incurred by the US Treasury.

However, that would not really solve the problem of the risk of a junk rating of the US Treasury bonds. Technically, they are junk and would result in high yields so there was an urgent need to dress-up the bonds to justify an AAA rating.
Please grant me the indulgence of a digression. This is why it is so important for the Joe Six-Packs to understand why the FED
was given the power to control interest rates in addition to the power to print money (digitally). If the FED is only authorised to create money out of thin air, it would not be really useful because the mere printing of money would not confer any long lasting benefit to the financial elites and the entire fractional reserve banking system grounded on fiat money. The Fed must control the
rate of interest for interest is the life-blood of the banking system and whosoever controls interest controls the life-blood and in simple financial terms, control the revenues and profits to be made by the entire banking system thereby conferring on the privileged 1 per cent an unbridled means to limitless wealth. The only caveat is that at all times the members of the system must not be too greedy to demand more monies created out of thin air (with no risks) than were required to keep the system running and the party going as well. There must be a stream of interest payments (income) at a rate that would not kill the borrowers. Without borrowers there would be no customers for the fractional reserve banking ponzi scam!

Let’s get back to the issue at hand.

So, there was a need to convince the world at large that the US Treasury is not Jack the pauper but a credible borrower and ought to be treated as such. So what was the trick, the scam that would convince unthinking and greedy creditors, be they sovereign creditors like China and Japan and institutional and retail investors (foreign banks and pension funds etc.)? To turn the trick, it required the combined efforts of selected economists (plus one or two Nobel Laureates), financial analysts, rating agencies who know there is a whole lot of money to be made by participating in the scam to spew the propaganda that US Treasury Bonds are the best assets (safe-haven) in times of crisis and not Gold (derogated as a Barbaric relic). And, since the financial elites also control the mass media – print, TV, and radio etc., it would be easy to spread the propaganda. With the FED in total control of interest rates, all it needed to do is to announce the policy of zero interest rate (ZIRP) and automatically interest rates on any borrowings would plummet. Of course Joe Six-Packs did benefit somewhat, but that was purely collateral. The main beneficiary of ZIRP is the US Treasury, the biggest debtor in the world. And as they say, the rest is history. Having over the years brainwashed students in economics at leading universities, financial harlots in global banks and financial services institutions etc. that low interest rates is the benchmark for financial credibility per se (i.e. to ignore the fundamentals when it comes to US Treasury bonds, but not any other borrowers), foreign sovereign creditors like China were conned into lending
monies to the US and in the case of Japan were compelled to do so as the vanquished foe of the US after World War II and now a client state under the nuclear protection of the US military.

No one dared cry out, “the Emperor has no clothes”, it is bankrupt! The zero interest rate policy (ZIRP) is a scam to cover-up the reality that the bonds are in fact junk bonds. Bearing in mind the principles of bonds as explained above, low interest rates was the illusion that clouded the minds of creditors to believe that such bonds could not be junk bonds. These creditors totally ignored the financial fundamentals of the US as a debtor that cannot mathematically pay off its debts. These creditors also overlooked the fact that even if there were repayments, it was by way of more of the same – US$ toilet paper money, more fiat money created out of thin air. For those who think that what is stated here is conspiracy theory, good luck to you if you have invested in US Treasury Junk Bonds. The truth of the matter will be decided in the near future whether the US Treasury Bond market is also another huge bubble sustained thus far by the above scam perpetrated by the FED and other central banks.
 
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Right, the gathering of have not's bitching about the haves.

The reason why the world buys our bonds and mind you they buy it knowing they will actually lose money ( at maturity point because they get less than 2% return vs. when inflation is accounted for )- is because we have as proved again, the fundamentals of our economy is the strongest. You sound under-educated when you don't get that.

Let us know when countries come buy your T bills in numbers like they do ours - and let us know when they buy it @ **** poor interest rates that they get from us, will ya?
 
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Right, the gathering of have not's bitching about the haves.

The reason why the world buys our bonds and mind you they buy it knowing they will actually lose money ( at maturity point because they get less than 2% return vs. when inflation is accounted for )- is because we have as proved again, the fundamentals of our economy is the strongest. You sound under-educated when you don't get that.

Let us know when countries come buy your T bills in numbers like they do ours - and let us know when they buy it @ **** poor interest rates that they get from us, will ya?

Sure, when we have all the banks, lending agencies, all the ratings agencies, the ME oil barons under our thumbs to manipulate - then sure enough - we will introduce similar ponzi schemes for the rest of the world to lap on to.
 
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Now USA economy is tanking, thanks to China's rise, so people start shooting each other :omghaha:

Santa Monica College shooting leaves 5 dead, 5 wounded - Chicago Tribune

Right, so when your people go slashing and knifing young children in school ...that is an indication of celebrating your rise I suppose.

Sure, when we have all the banks, lending agencies, all the ratings agencies, the ME oil barons under our thumbs to manipulate - then sure enough - we will introduce similar ponzi schemes for the rest of the world to lap on to.

Right, either we are the smartest or you are dumbest lot - is basically what you said. I will take the latter for you. because we control your banks( global economy if you missed it) and Opec is our ****** that somehow keeps increasing oil prices on us. We control the banks but that somehow the banks failed to protect us during the recession . As I said under-educated views of the have not's vs the haves
 
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Right, either we are the smartest or you are dumbest lot - is basically what you said. I will take the latter for you. because we control your banks( global economy if you missed it) and Opec is our ****** that somehow keeps increasing oil prices on us.

I am happy that we haven't fallen for your sh!t to a large extent, 50 billion or so and losing.
 
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I am happy that we haven't fallen for your sh!t to a large extent, 50 billion or so and losing.

That is why the 3rd country and underdeveloped ones buy our T bills... yes you have not fallen for us, you still in kneel down position along with all your neighbors when it comes to us. somebody needs to gets their govt(s) to realize they have genius like you and others here that have better plans than having them all buying our T-bills. :lol:

Got a trillion dollars? go invest in India China Y bills because they know their money is safe there guaranteed vs the US . :D
 
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That is why the 3rd country and underdeveloped buys our T bills... yes you have not fallen for us, you still in kneel down position along with all your neighbors when it comes to us.

There are a lot of factors, reasons, events, circumstances that can be blamed for our present position and it doesn't make sense to go into that - I am just happy that we aren't buying your cr@p - that's all.
 
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There are a lot of factors, reasons, events, circumstances that can be blamed for our present position and it doesn't make sense to go into that - I am just happy that we aren't buying your cr@p - that's all.

The facts on the ground vs. your delusion, says you buying in it drones. You being under-educated about it does not change it. Like I said you guys sound a bunch of have not's cribbing about the haves.
 
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That is why the 3rd country and underdeveloped ones buy our T bills... yes you have not fallen for us, you still in kneel down position along with all your neighbors when it comes to us. somebody needs to gets their govt(s) to realize they have genius like you and others here that have better plans than having them all buying our T-bills. :lol:

Got a trillion dollars? go invest in India China Y bills because they know their money is safe there guaranteed vs the US . :D

I sure hope you personally haven't fallen for it and have bought into those T bills too. :D it wont be worth the paper you wipe your @ss with in the near future.

The facts on the ground vs. your delusion, says you buying in it drones. You being under-educated about it does not change it. Like I said you guys sound a bunch of have not's cribbing about the haves.

There's no bunch here - it's me alone - so stop with the generalization and with the insults - because what you think doesn't amount to jack :D
 
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I sure hope you personally haven't fallen for it and have bought into those T bills too. :D it wont be worth the paper you wipe your @ss with in the near future.



There's no bunch here - it's me alone - so stop with the generalization and with the insults - because what you think doesn't amount to jack :D

Got it, basically you have presented yourself as the rantings of a under-educated poster.
 
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Got it, basically you have presented yourself as the rantings of a under-educated poster.

and you are a minor f@rt (who no one gives a rats @ss about) jumping in to protect your nation and it's ponzi scheme.
 
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If you try to cross USA's line and behave stupid, Chinese T-bonds of worth whooping more than one Trillion will evaporate into thin air.

So Cheap trades man China keep this in mind and behave properly.
:lol: Keep deluding yourself. We spanked India this year and nobody came to save you. We spanked Philippines, Vietnam and Japan and nobody came to save them either.

It's time for China to massively punish all our enemies one-by-one until your nations disintegrate into smaller countries.
 
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:lol: Keep deluding yourself. We spanked India this year and nobody came to save you. We spanked Philippines, Vietnam and Japan and nobody came to save them either.

It's time for China to massively punish all our enemies one-by-one until your nations disintegrate into smaller countries.

Taiwan shows that you are a tin pot military. First try and get that country into your fold - then we will see how you will take on others :rofl:
 
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:lol: Keep deluding yourself. We spanked India this year and nobody came to save you. We spanked Philippines, Vietnam and Japan and nobody came to save them either.

It's time for China to massively punish all our enemies one-by-one until your nations disintegrate into smaller countries.

Go and Cry river at the feet of USA since USA is the the one who is supporting nations in SCS and East Sea, this is the same issue that will doom Chinese and China in the future.

One China will become a difficult term in the near future for sure. :cheers:
 
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