Busting the Muslim myth that WoT has damaged the U.S!

[Audio]

It doesn't say they are either and regardless you made it seem the president has control over them because he appoints them. Which is not the case whether he appoints anyone or not.

You really think the president wont appoint people loyal to him in charge of one of the most important institutions if not the most important? Or in Bernanke's case, keeping him (since Bush jr. appointed him) if he wasn't sure about him?

It's governance 101.

Dont read it as an confrontational post, i just simply dont agree with you.

 

[Viper0011.]

Mission accomplish for USA. I like American and Israeli stand on terrorism, God only knows when India will learn .

First: you have terrorists internally (Hindu organizations, RSS, Shiv Sena, BJP). So you need to take care of these first before you talk about any superman type of an operation. Trying to do an op inside Pakistan will cause a severe response back and more than likely, a way that won't help you or the Pakistanis to root out the problem. So learn to sit and talk and come up with a joint strategy.

Second........the world is waiting to see what India will be doing for the Hindu terrorists it has. Your own Defense Minister and Internal Minister both said just last week that there are Hindu (RSS, Shiv Sena, BJP) related training camps and they are becoming stronger and stronger. These terrorists have killed hundreds of thousands of Christians and Muslims over decades. Just last year, it was over a couple of hundred innocent Christians killed and then Muslims. The POPE had to call the Indian Prime Minister asking him to put a stop to it.
These RSS - Shiv Sena , etc terrorists have burned Churches, homes with people inside (actually villages), Raped and killed hundreds of thousands of Muslim in India and in Kashmir......WHILE the military and the police watched (Barbari Mosque demolition, etc, etc). So....if you really like the US and Israel's stance on terrorism.....YOU need to quit supporting it for Hindus and blame others when they do it. Terrorist is a terrorist. You can't play favorites!!!!

 

[OrionHunter]

OK, I see many people, specially Muslims, discussing , rather "mental-masturbating", that how war on terror has caused U.S trillions and how Al Qaeda/Taliban have successfully "defeated" the mighty U.S etc etc..

This thread is a reality checker..sorry to break your hearts...but we haven't lost anything even slightly near to called as "much"...


War on terror has caused the deaths of millions of Muslims...destruction of two Muslim nations...havoc in Pakistan and Yemen etc...a total disaster for Muslim world. How can, then, someone, specially Muslims, claim that U.S lost the war? We just lost ~ 5,000 soldiers in TEN YEARS of wars in two countries...We spent VERY LESS on this war ...This is the point many don't take into account...

Yes, U.S has spent 1 trillion on the war...but for past ten years, U.S is only spending just 1% (or even less) of its GDP on the war..which is actually VERY,VERY CHEAP. U.S spent 35% of its GDP at the height of WWII.

During Vietnam war, U.S spent 2.3% of its GDP at the peak of the war and also lost a whooping 60,000 of its troops. Now compare this to Al Qaeda's war...

Even Vietnam war was 10X more lethal for the U.S and our economy, but yet we only came out of that war stronger. What makes people think that U.S is "falling" now?

Actually, war on terror is probably THE CHEAPEST war U.S has ever fought..

Cost of major U.S wars throughout history- fas report

Sorry, but our enemies should not "mental-masturbate" that Al Qaeda has inflicted some heavy damage on the states..or that U.S is falling because of this war, or that U.S is losing this war etc..Some people like Michael Sheuer are there to do exactly this propaganda in U.S media. They will tell American audiences "Omg, Al Qaeda is big danger..U.S is losing the war" , which only pumps Americans more to fight! So this serves CIA a good propaganda purpose..but many people see such videos and feel "happy" that U.S is facing trouble, whereas U.S is just chillin.....Reality is that U.S is just getting many jobs from these wars and profiting while hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being killed also. (Sorry for the last line, but harsh truth).

Sorry average Muslims should work AGAINST Al Qaeda that is only hurting Islamic interests and nothing more...

Cheapest war? Why do you Yanks ALWAYS talk about the color of money? Have you considered the hundreds of thousand innocent men, women, and children you Americans have killed in needless wars? Can you put a price on the life of a child killed in your drone attacks?

Don't talk nonsense! The poor quality of weed you smoke makes you waffle like an idiot! Jeeez!

 

[KRAIT]

First: you have terrorists internally (Hindu organizations, RSS, Shiv Sena, BJP). So you need to take care of these first before you talk about any superman type of an operation. Trying to do an op inside Pakistan will cause a severe response back and more than likely, a way that won't help you or the Pakistanis to root out the problem. So learn to sit and talk and come up with a joint strategy.Second........the world is waiting to see what India will be doing for the Hindu terrorists it has. Your own Defense Minister and Internal Minister both said just last week that there are Hindu (RSS, Shiv Sena, BJP) related training camps and they are becoming stronger and stronger. These terrorists have killed hundreds of thousands of Christians and Muslims over decades. Just last year, it was over a couple of hundred innocent Christians killed and then Muslims. The POPE had to call the Indian Prime Minister asking him to put a stop to it.These RSS - Shiv Sena , etc terrorists have burned Churches, homes with people inside (actually villages), Raped and killed hundreds of thousands of Muslim in India and in Kashmir......WHILE the military and the police watched (Barbari Mosque demolition, etc, etc). So....if you really like the US and Israel's stance on terrorism.....YOU need to quit supporting it for Hindus and blame others when they do it. Terrorist is a terrorist. You can't play favorites!!!!

Aren't terrorist from RSS, Shiv Sena and BJP threatening your own country men, superstars who happen to be Muslims to leave the country or get killed? I just read about it like two minutes ago. It also said that one of the star's family fought for the creation of India......??????????????? Whatever happened to the slogan of the 'oldest democracy'??

Oh wait, it's the oldest HINDU democracy where Christians and Muslims shouldn't exist!

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...rouble-over-quran-remark-3.html#ixzz2JI2Tneuy


All he would have to do would be to kill people, preferably Christians or Muslims in this case, declare himself as an RSS - BJP guy (aka a terrorist) and that's it. They'll provide safe heaven for him, may be a job in the ME, the UK, the US or Australia and he be on his way to making money and then supporting the same terrorist organization with his $$ and he'll remember him as a hero..... that happens a lot actually!!!

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/central-south-asia/231666-kayanis-game-plan-11.html#ixzz2JI2cGXRH


You don't have to post same thing over and over again. You can just go to your latest posts and Copy Paste the same thing you say over and over again.

 

[Kompromat]

Please summon, me when the thread has been "milked" enough.

 

[haviZsultan]

Sorry, but i dare say elements within Pakistan are part of the problem, not the solution.....

You want to blame someone blame the CIA first for throwing 4 billion into the mouths of those dirty unwashed mujahideen fighters who in the end decided to form into the Taliban. Stop being a complainer and war-monger. This is a result of a pathetic nations policies in the past. Next time don't support terrorists and betray your allies.

 

[FaujHistorian]

War is an ultimate be-aach.

It results in countless deaths and definitely a huge drain on the economies.

Sure USA can take it economically. After all it is the number 1 super power in the world.

But we should never forget the toll such wars take on

1. USA citizens and soldiers
2. Citizens and soldiers of the countries immediately surrounding the areas where a war happens
3. Citizens and soldiers of the country fighting the USA
4. Longer term aftermath on the region



Wars are easy to start. I kid you not. But they are extremely difficult to stop.

American war of independence, or the war against North African pirates, or the 1812 war, or the civil war, or the WWI, or WWII, or Korean war, or the Vietnam war, or Iraq war, the Afghan war, and countless little wars in South America, Africa and Asia, They all took their deadly toll along the groups I listed above.

Did America trigger all these wars. Many would argue and say yes
Was America unwillingly got pulled into all or some of these wars? Many would argue and say yes.


Did America learn anything form these wars? Absolutely!

Did the enemies of America learn from these wars? Not much. Otherwise they would not be attacking Americans and its interests.


American enemies and opponents or modern day Leftists, commies and Islamists consistently fail to understand the dynamics of wars especially the ones fought in the post WWI era.

And that's a huge mistake by American opponents.

A HUGE mistake.

Look at the Qaida and Ben fing Laden's gangsters, ok ok they are Islamists, but they still are petty gangsters.


They launched pin prick attacks, and Americans ignored.

93 World trade, Americans ignored
Beirut bombing, Americans ignored
cole, and Khubar American ignored


Instead of stopping and taking a pause, Ben Fing Laden stooped so low that he ended up taking down World trade towers and killing 3000+ innocent civilians.


Obviously Americans were going to react. and pounce upon all of its enemies Qaida or not.


The result was utter destruction of many Arab and Islamic lands. utter annihilation dare I say.


While doing so, if Americans spend trillions, or billions. it doesn't matter to those who are dead now. utterly totally dead.


So many commies fail to understand that money spent by America on wars is mostly spent on America firms, and American people.

There was a study done few years ago that for every soldiers in the battle, there are 11 people in the supply chain and support and logistics all working to make sure that soldier in the battle field is fully supplied with food and weapons and bullets.


So the trillions perhaps one or perhaps 3 is simply the money spent to prop up American defense industry that even a general like Eisenhower termed as "military industrial complex" and warned against making this complex too large.


Once the juggernaut of this military industrial complex comes in motion, everyone better watch out.

Either you support this juggernaut if your geography allows and make money. And so many in Pakistan are supporting it and making tones of money and bringing in whole lot $$$ for Pak economy. How else could we build huge airports and other infrastructure and pay for all the expensive imports like oil and tea and China mall.

And if you don't like the juggernaut then stay miles and miles away from it (if your geography allows).


But never ever make a mistake of standing like a lost cow when this juggernaut is heading towards you.

Believe you me, the scene will not be pretty.

those simple folks, perhaps kind hearted folks, perhaps leftist folks in Pakistan who say Pakistan can stop this juggernaut or interrupt it beyond few moments, are severely mistaken.


So the lesson for Pakistanis is that as long as this juggernaut is rolling through Afghanistan (and by extension through Pakistan), do not try to stand in front of it like a deer in the headlight.

you will go spat splash in no time.


peace

 

[RazorMC]

You really think the president wont appoint people loyal to him in charge of one of the most important institutions if not the most important? Or in Bernanke's case, keeping him (since Bush jr. appointed him) if he wasn't sure about him?

It's not about loyalty, Audio. The Fed is not a political arena where loyalties are sought for. The Fed is mostly a private-business that the government can not interfere into despite the appearances. If you need to look further, please go ahead. But the Fed's web-page and Wikipedia are not the places to go. Wikipedia's article has changed a lot since the last time I saw.

 

[KRAIT]

You want to blame someone blame the CIA first for throwing 4 billion into the mouths of those dirty unwashed mujahideen fighters who in the end decided to form into the Taliban. Stop being a complainer and war-monger. This is a result of a pathetic nations policies in the past. Next time don't support terrorists and betray your allies.

Playing Victim card are we ?

They left Taliban on their own. Who supported and used them for their own purpose ? Pakistan is also responsible for this condition to some extent if not equally responsibly.

 

[RazorMC]

It doesn't say they are either and regardless you made it seem the president has control over them because he appoints them. Which is not the case whether he appoints anyone or not.

That's why the Feds have been criticized for their ambiuous language that is never definite. Try explaining it to Audio.

 

[Audio]

You want to blame someone blame the CIA first for throwing 4 billion into the mouths of those dirty unwashed mujahideen fighters who in the end decided to form into the Taliban. Stop being a complainer and war-monger. This is a result of a pathetic nations policies in the past. Next time don't support terrorists and betray your allies.

How long ago was that? 20, 30 years now? You are telling me Pakistan hasn't been able to sort out the mess in ~25 years? Incompetence or benefit, what would you say is the culprit?

It's not about loyalty, Audio. The Fed is not a political arena where loyalties are sought for. The Fed is mostly a private-business that the government can not interfere into despite the appearances. If you need to look further, please go ahead. But the Fed's web-page and Wikipedia are not the places to go. Wikipedia's article has changed a lot since the last time I saw.

Facepalm....ok, Bernanke is working on his own behalf not on the president's....sounds legit.

 

[KingMamba]

@Audio you are assuming Ben Bernacke owes Obama something, I will tell you it is the other way around. Obama owed somebody else something. Now the question is who? Earlier I said follow the money so bare with me for a second. This is Obama's 2008 political campaign contributors.

Top Contributors to Barack Obama | OpenSecrets

The only one I am concerned with is the second, Goldman Sachs with a donation of 1 million dollars through a super PAC. Now you might say what does this have to do with Ben Bernacke. Obama re elected Ben Bernacke in 2010 and you say he did it because Bernacke is loyal to him however that is the not the case. If you want to see where Bernacke's loyalites belong just look at what he has done when he has taken over and you will notice that one company, one specific company has been given a lot of Business. That company is Goldman Sachs.

Goldman's QE3 Shopping List: Stocks For When Bernanke Starts Buying Bonds - Forbes

You may choose not to believe this, the rest is one you. Either Obama has Ben Bernacke's loyalty or he was paying off a debt by keeping Goldman Sachs yes man in charge. Choose yourself but do not be so quick to dismiss this is a conspiracy theory because this is just one example I dug up in 10 minutes.

That's why the Feds have been criticized for their ambiuous language that is never definite. Try explaining it to Audio.

See my latest post, believe if you want to.

Follow the money, all the questions start and end with the dollar.

 

[RazorMC]

Playing Victim card are we ?

They left Taliban on their own. Who supported and used them for their own purpose ? Pakistan is also responsible for this condition to some extent if not equally responsibly.

The US didn't seem to fully think about the implications of such a rapid withdrawal. We didn't have the thousands of strategists that the US did, nor its arsenal. Pakistan ended up making hasty decisions and ultimately had to face the Salafi-inspired ideology of violence spreading into our territory unchecked.


So it's not about a victim card, rather the hornet's nest that we were left to deal with without adequate resources, largely thanks to the US. And there is little to indicate that the US has learnt otherwise. All indicators are pointing to another hasty withdrawal leaving a Taliban-backed government in large parts of Afghanistan.

How do you think they'll respond once the US is out of the equation? Their foothold in Kabul is imminent with people like Karzai busy giving a bad name to democracy and a US-backed setup. That will leave their attention free to be focused eastwards.

 

[Awesome]

OK, I see many people, specially Muslims, discussing , rather "mental-masturbating", that how war on terror has caused U.S trillions and how Al Qaeda/Taliban have successfully "defeated" the mighty U.S etc etc..

This thread is a reality checker..sorry to break your hearts...but we haven't lost anything even slightly near to called as "much"...


War on terror has caused the deaths of millions of Muslims...destruction of two Muslim nations...havoc in Pakistan and Yemen etc...a total disaster for Muslim world. How can, then, someone, specially Muslims, claim that U.S lost the war? We just lost ~ 5,000 soldiers in TEN YEARS of wars in two countries...We spent VERY LESS on this war ...This is the point many don't take into account...

Yes, U.S has spent 1 trillion on the war...but for past ten years, U.S is only spending just 1% (or even less) of its GDP on the war..which is actually VERY,VERY CHEAP. U.S spent 35% of its GDP at the height of WWII.

During Vietnam war, U.S spent 2.3% of its GDP at the peak of the war and also lost a whooping 60,000 of its troops. Now compare this to Al Qaeda's war...

Even Vietnam war was 10X more lethal for the U.S and our economy, but yet we only came out of that war stronger. What makes people think that U.S is "falling" now?

Actually, war on terror is probably THE CHEAPEST war U.S has ever fought..

Cost of major U.S wars throughout history- fas report

Sorry, but our enemies should not "mental-masturbate" that Al Qaeda has inflicted some heavy damage on the states..or that U.S is falling because of this war, or that U.S is losing this war etc..Some people like Michael Sheuer are there to do exactly this propaganda in U.S media. They will tell American audiences "Omg, Al Qaeda is big danger..U.S is losing the war" , which only pumps Americans more to fight! So this serves CIA a good propaganda purpose..but many people see such videos and feel "happy" that U.S is facing trouble, whereas U.S is just chillin.....Reality is that U.S is just getting many jobs from these wars and profiting while hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being killed also. (Sorry for the last line, but harsh truth).

Sorry average Muslims should work AGAINST Al Qaeda that is only hurting Islamic interests and nothing more...

This is most widely speculated by Americans, not by Muslims. Yeah you massacred us very well, bravo, bravo!

 

[Kompromat]

This is most widely speculated by Americans, not by Muslims. Yeah you massacred us very well, bravo, bravo!