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That was the usual Indian treachery..
made a deal of retreat..and when Pakistani soldiers started retreating as per the accord..then instead of giving them safe passage..India being India shot them in the back...

AND WHAT THE FCUK WAS PA doing in kargil in first place ? LOL..

I had army frieds from Rawalpindi who fought during Kargil war and its their words.
I rarher beleive them than some internet commentors.

HUH ? what about the live interviews which the PA Lt. Generals gave ? I would rather believe the higher ups over a local Ali who didn't even know he was sent as a PA regular or a forsaken mujahid !!

a pakistani blanket on an indian prostitute :D if we are covering your naked then give some credit to us

look carefully.. she has a green flag tattoed on her a$$ :cheesy:
 
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i thought the indian prostitute got american flag tattooed on her a$$ after you know what :lol:

HAHA.. look carefully.. I will post it again.. :lol:

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shall i point you the green flag :D
 
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^^ @Windjammer -
The pic is in a bad taste!!! But what else can be expected off from wahab1s !!
Keep Ur green flag flying high!!! and then complaint of being a victim

its a figurative caroon dont take it literally

musharra: stay where are you running, let me reveal your true face

caption: while giving interview to bharathi media, musharraf dazzled indian media with his straight forward answers
 
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AND WHAT THE FCUK WAS PA doing in kargil in first place ? LOL..

Kashmir is Pakistan's land taken over by India..Its not that hard to understand why both armies are standing in front of each other since 1947..or did you sleep during your history lessons??...PA was there to take back their right..Its as simple as that...
But our sold out Politicians couldn't take stand..

The conflict was a litmus test that our Army despite being small and less resourceful,can take on and overwhelm Indian armed forces...
No wonder India in their Drunken with power status,sent their older Migs to take on PA and got shot down by a measly Anza Missile,and had to Halt in their tracks..rethink their strategy and send their most advanced fighters for battling against "Some men on top of a a mountain" and yet got tough time...
 
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Kashmir is Pakistan's land taken over by India..Its not that hard to understand why both armies are standing in front of each other since 1947..or did you sleep during your history lessons??...PA was there to take back their right..Its as simple as that...
But our sold out Politicians couldn't take stand..

The conflict was a litmus test that our Army despite being small and less resourceful,can take on and overwhelm Indian armed forces...
No wonder India in their Drunken with power status,sent their older Migs to take on PA and got shot down by a measly Anza Missile,and had to Halt in their tracks..rethink their strategy and send their most advanced fighters for battling against "Some men on top of a a mountain" and yet got tough time...

If it were not for the daily dose of amusement that posts like this bring, where would we be?

You refer to history lessons; we do receive them in India. When did you last hear of history being related in Pakistan? At any level? The entire history of Kashmir and the conflict has been related, threadbare, so you don't even have the excuse of ignorance. Apart from clinging to the folk legend that the British promised Muslim majority areas to Pakistan, which totally belies whatever happened in 1946 and 1947, there is nothing historical about these increasingly whiney accounts of victimhood that we keep encountering. And this is what a junior TT member calls history?

You and others talked of treaties which were non-existent, of agreements which are confected out of thin air, but forget that in 1972, it was Pakistan, led by Bhutto, that agreed in solemn contract on certain principles of mutual behaviour. It was nothing but a piece of paper for Pakistan, from her subsequent behaviour, just a temporary tactical manoeuvre to reverse the results of a disastrous war. But to the junior TT member, and his fellows in the pack, this constitutes a learned account of treaties and the desirability of sticking to one's word. Of course.

The best, as always, is at the end. We are to understand that by taking over unoccupied positions, building bunkers and allowing themselves to be destroyed piecemeal, the Pakistan Army, aka mujahedin, could "take on and overwhelm Indian armed forces". Overwhelm? Where? When? If you search the entire record of India-Pakistan conflicts right back to October 1947, can you name a single instance of this overwhelming? Or does building a bunker constitute an overwhelming attack? In which case you are definitely a military analyst of a very high order, entirely deserving of immediate promotion to the senior TT, and should be given the task of writing a military history of Pakistan. You have demonstrated your superlative skills in both using military terminology and writing up an abject defeat and a public climb-down in the glowing terms used for famous victories. No doubt in future generations, we will learn from your successors that Kargil was actually a brilliant victory for the side that left, after an unsuccessful appeal to America, and that General Musharraf was the best Field Marshal who never declared himself one in military history.

The piece de resistance: much about the IAF 'older MiGs' taking on the PA (not mujahedin? Oops) and getting shot down by a measly Anza missile, halting in its tracks (at 35,000 feet, no less, rather like a hummingbird), rethinking their strategy and sending in their most advanced fighters, and getting a tough time (in what way is naturally not for discussion, being historical terminology and beyond discussion).

Some irreverent souls might think this bathetic (without the P). They might consider this strange, as if halting, re-thinking and resuming are "bad things", in some way, not sufficiently manly, perhaps, not the straightforward, Musharraf kind of imbecile behaviour that should get rewarded but does not, in this most imperfect world. They might even disrupt the even tenor of history as she is seen in your military academies (and think tanks) by pointing out that the PAF kept a safe distance, not due to any lack of valour, of course, but simply due to not having been told by the PA, according to Kaiser Tufail, and not having enough spares to get their shiny little toys into combat.

Air forces exist to fight, not to be shown on parade or in flying displays. One side fought, the other did not. But of course, to the member of the junior TT, that too is a famous victory. And Southey be damned.
 
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^^^ we cannot win from you in deception and distorting facts.
That is the biggest fact.
You as a country has powerful media and friends all over the world.
Who ever speaks the loudest is right and the rest are wrong and you are able to speak very loud .
Eventually Kashmir issue won't be solved by diplomats as India knows that the people of Kashmir want to be with Pakistan for the last 60 years and with all their might, military or otherwise India hasn't been able to change that and that's why insurgency only in Indian Kashmir by Kashmiri people and no such thing in Pakistani Kashmir
Pakistan has supported the born right of Kashmiri people since 1947, their right to choose which country they want to be with,and kargil was part of the same ongoing story.
The peaks was initially taken over by Kashmiri mujahideen and PA saw the opportunity and went on to support them and had all the success.
PA was then told by civilian government that USA has brokered a deal with India and they should leave their positions and come down and that's what they did and were shot in the back by cowards.
Even today the most important mountain top is held by PA which India couldn't take back.
If India had such a massive victory then why PA is still sitting in kargil ?
 
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If Pakistan had such a massive victory, why are we still sitting in Siachen....? Wasn't that the basis of the Kargil operation?

the basis was to avoid siachen like situation where india occupied an empty peak and still sitting there...
Pakistan went on to post soldiers in an empty area so that india cannot repeat siachen..
and Pakistan still overlooks the area and a strategic indian road from peak 5353



http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-army/136591-peak-5353-still-under-pakistan-control.html
 
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Commander ordered capture of Point 5353 in Kargil war

By Praveen Swami

NEW DELHI, JUNE 29 . Indian soldiers had attempted to capture Point 5353, a strategically-important peak in the Dras sector, in the first days of the Kargil war. New evidence that such an assault took place blows apart contradictory claims by the former Defence Minister, George Fernandes, and top military officials that the feature does not lie on the Indian side of the Line of Control.

An investigation by The Hindu has gained access to orders issued to Major Navneet Mehra of the 16 Grenadiers Regiment, ordering him to lead an assault on Point 5353, so named for its altitude in metres. It is the highest feature in the Dras sector, and allows the Pakistani troops to observe National Highway 1A, as well as an alternative Dras-Kargil route that is now under construction.

Major Mehra's men were asked to evict the Pakistani intruders on Point 5353 by 6 a.m. on May 18, 1999. The officer's plan was to set up three fire bases along the base of the peak to support the infantry assault by two groups.

Although backed by some artillery, both groups faced a difficult climb, under direct fire from both the Pakistani positions on Point 5353 and Point 5165.

However, Major Mehra's despatches note, his commanding officer, Col. Pushpinder Oberoi, gave specific orders "to go for it at any cost." Col. Oberoi's troops failed to execute his instructions. Ill-equipped for the extreme cold, and not properly acclimatised to the altitude, the troops withdrew after suffering 13 casualties. The attack was finally called off at 3 a.m. on May 19, 1999.

After news broke that the Pakistani troops occupied Point 5353, the Indian Army denied that the peak had ever been held by India, or, indeed, was on its side of the LoC. A press release issued on August 11, 2000, asserted that the "point was never under our control either before or after Operation Vijay in Kargil." Mr. Fernandes seemed to disagree. Asked about the status of Point 5353 at a subsequent press conference, he insisted that "every inch of the land is under our control."

Mr. Fernandes' subsequent statements added to the confusion. Speaking to an audience in Mumbai, he said "Point 5353 is the point over which the LoC goes. Fact is, our troops had never occupied that."

However, on January 1, 2001, the Press Information Bureau issued a photograph of Mr. Fernandes standing on what it claimed was Point 5353. Later, the PIB was forced to sack a junior staffer for "an administrative error."

War-time media reports, based on Army briefings, suggest that further efforts to take the peak were made from July 21, 1999, well after the fighting had officially ended. While these efforts were unsuccessful, the available evidence suggests that then-56 Brigade Commander Amar Aul responded by occupying two heights on the Pakistani side of the LoC, 4875 and 4251.

sSubsequently, the local commanders hammered out a deal, where both agreed to leave points 5353, 5240, 4251 and 4875 unoccupied.

Towards October-end, for reasons still not clear, the 16 Grenadiers were ordered to take Point 5240 and the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles Point 5353. While the 16 Grenadiers' attack proceeded as planned, despite bad weather, the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles, for reasons still not clear, never made their way up to Point 5353. When the Pakistani troops detected the Indian presence on 5240, they promptly reoccupied Point 5353.

Interestingly, however, the 16 Grenadiers' records on the Point 5353 assault refer to Point 5353 as "a minor objective." So too, do entries in Col. Oberoi's confidential service records. This assessment was vindicated during the artillery clashes in 2001-2002, when the Pakistani observation posts on Point 5353 were unable to bring accurate fire to bear on either the highway or nearby Indian positions. The Indian troops were able to tie down the Pakistani position with accurate fire, rendering it near-impossible for its superior altitude to be used to good effect.

Correction

The height of Tiger Hill is 4,660 metres (i.e., Point 4660), not 4,165 metres as reported in these columns on Tuesday.

http://www.hindu.com/2004/06/30/stories/2004063006391100.htm
 
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Unbelievable.

Pakistan- the only nation to started a war, then lost it, refused to take the bodies of their dead soldiers, have the whole world believe they had lost the war and at the end of it claim they won!


The inability to accept facts as they are presented is a serious issue the Pakistani people must come to terms with. They are fed such lies and nonsense on a daily basis that even the most outlandish lies are accepted and taken as fact.

Stay clssy Pakistan!

Whilst India is moving ahead what is Pakistan doing? Dragging up the past at every opportunity. Pakistan as a nation needs to set its sights on the future not in going over ancient history and picking at scars. What good comes out of any of this BS apart from getting an over inflated sense of self-worth?


When the world believes one thing then it is probably true- accept it, move on.
 
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the basis was to avoid siachen like situation where india occupied an empty peak and still sitting there...
Pakistan went on to post soldiers in an empty area so that india cannot repeat siachen..
and Pakistan still overlooks the area and a strategic indian road from peak 5353


You are now saying that they went in to hold a single peak......:lol: You have you generals saying that the key objective was to cut Indian access to Siachen, it didn't work and you will never get anther chance. The Indian work on a tunnel bypassing the highway sought to be targeted by Pakistan in 1999 guarantees that.You can sit on any peak, India will hold Siachen regardless.
 
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Tell me, has Pakistan ever lost a war? Goingby your pseudo-historians,99% of your population and politicians you guys have never been defeated and if anyone says you have they are lying or it is a global conspiracy against Pakistan!


Ever heard of being gracious in defeat?
 
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