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they should ban the nuns to wear there gowns too
but most of all it shows how weak v muslims r that d french n other non-muslims are dictating our religion to us.
shame on us
I am disappointed by this response. One should not be afraid of disputing practices among Muslims which one sincerely believes is not a command by Allah and may have its origin in tribal customs. I am a Muslim for countless generations and proud of it. I
I disagree with a practice considered Islamic when I find no clear cut command against it and supported by conflicting Hadith written 100 years later, I have a right to dispute it. For example only reference I came across ‘Purdah’ which is in Sura Azhab (trench) which is:
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59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies . That will be better, that they should be known so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft ¬Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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Shuttlecock burqa, norm in the rural and tribal Pakistan is like a prison, and in my opinion oppressive. If a women desires to wear it of her own free will, it is her choice. I am not for women going around wearing miniskirts, but the woman who insists on wearing burqa, she can always chose to live where it is allowed, why France?
There are many practices prevailing in Islamic societies/countries which have nothing to do with Islam (such as ban on women driving in Saudi Arabia) but to do with the interpretation of a single person.
Another such case is the punishment for adultery in Sura Al Noor which clearly states it is100 lashes, whereas many Ulemas insist that it is stoning by death, supported by a single incident where our holy Prophet (PBUH) reportedly thus decided. There is no ambiguity in the orders of Allah but one cannot completely rule out possibility of misreporting in case of Hadith, thus why should I be afraid of criticising Hudood laws?
Shuttlecock burqa, norm in the rural and tribal Pakistan is like a prison, and in my opinion oppressive. If a women desires to wear it of her own free will, it is her choice. I am not for women going around wearing miniskirts, but the woman who insists on wearing burqa, she can always chose to live where it is allowed, why France?
they should ban the nuns to wear there gowns too
but most of all it shows how weak v muslims r that d french n other non-muslims are dictating our religion to us.
shame on us
How is a woman freely choosing to wear a Burqa or Hijab or a Sikh choosing to wear a turban in any way equivalent to choosing slavery?
No, the argument you are making is that a majority can restrain the liberties of a minority at its whim just because it disagrees with them.
The decision is in the interest of people of the nation, a good one in my view.
That would be post-Vatican II when nuns are allowed to dress just like other women, albeit in more conservative appearance, skirts should not be above knees, no plunging neckline, etc...NUN
--- LEARN TO DIFFERENIATE BETWEEN THEM
Nuns are free to choose what to wear, Muslim women are free to choose to a wear a hijab or anything to cover themselves..
No WOMAN in her RIGHT mind would choose to wear a Burqa no one...There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between covering your self religously and covering yourself because you are being FORCED
If a man says it is compulsory, then it is compulsory. Please note the operative word here is 'man', not 'woman'.This is not really a big deal burqa is not really compulsary in islam anyway...
When I was in Turkey, we flew F-111Es out of Incirlik for a couple weeks for the benefits of the Turkish AF, I found out how socially divided Adana really is. There was a wide boulevard that divide Adana into two distinct parts: Old and New. The 'new' Adana is where we hit on French speaking Turkish girls wearing miniskirts and who would have looked as if they belong to any European capital city. The 'old' Adana is where I saw burqa-ed women. Both types of women were comfortable, at least in my eyes, with each other....they can wear other islamic clothing like chadors or hijabs if they want to be modest so their rights aren't being denied very few muslim women wear it anyway.
Still that's fine.If Pork and Alcohol is not allowed in Muslim Countries then i am sure France has every right to ban Burqa or Muslim countries should allow their Christian and other religion population to eat Pork and Drink Alcohol freely.
This is not really a big deal burqa is not really compulsary in islam anyway they can wear other islamic clothing like chadors or hijabs if they want to be modest so their rights aren't being denied very few muslim women wear it anyway.
But if effective laws and programs are available and there is widespread awareness about them, then issues related to 'coercion into wearing the Burka' should be minimal.I agree with your assessment that the fundamental problem lies in the physical and mental suffering of women at the hands of men but that in itself is a personal/private matter where its hard for the government to get involved unless and until the woman herself goes to the correct authorities and reports of domestic violence. Both Effective laws and social assistance programs are readily available in European, North American or any other developed countries for that matter.
Your first statement is subjective - someone could argue that a woman wearing a mini-skirt has 'no place in civilized society' (in fact they do). So how is the latter assertion less valid than yours?Yes you can ban the Burqa as it has no place in any civilized society. This has nothing to do with Freedom of expression or women continuing to suffer physically and mentally. If women are being forced to wear a Burqa in a place like France she has ample tools at her disposal to take action against the person who is abusing her.
Why do you care about the identity of someone 'lurking' under the shroud? What does it matter if it is a man, woman or transsexual? If you are concerned about security at public places, then female officers can easily be used in a private booth to search the individual. In fact even non-burqa clad men and women may prefer a private search.Reasons for Banning
1) It Poses a Security risk. Anyone might lurk under those shrouds be it male or female, muslim or non-muslim.
And the Maulana of the Red Mosqu was caught because of effective policing and precautions by female police officers, despite the fact that there were hundreds of Burqa clad women leaving at around the same time as Mullah Ji was attempting to make his escape.If i remember Yasin Omer the person responsible for the Train bombings in london tried to escape in a Burqa, even the Maulana in the Red Mosque in Islamabad tried running in it.
So is drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes and some would say eating meat!2) Complete lack of sunlight is horrible for your body in general as you severly lack Vitamen D
That again is opinion - the Burqa has not been used as a symbol of regime that committed genocide against women or any other ethnic or religious group, so how you can equate it to the Swastika of the Nazis is beyond me.3) The Burqa itself 'Symbollically' represents clear cut oppression. Just like the Nazi Swatsticka is banned in some places so is the Burqa. Its true that its more of a political/ideological thing rather than being a religous one.
Is freedom to practice ones religious beliefs not a 'Western ideal'? Is everyone in the West supposed to act like homogeneous drones, or is there room for diversity of faith, culture and ideas?The Burqa in general goes against the Ideals of Western Philosophy in general so why wear it in their countries? If you've been born in Wesetern countries chances are your never going to wear a Burqa anyways as you've been brought up in a fairly secular environment no matter how conservative you are .Its as simple as that.. The only people who will cry and demand a Burqa's are hard line religous people or new comers into the country who are going through a culture shock.
People keep raising this 'Muslim country' canard - Muslims are not a nation. You cannot pick examples from Muslim countries or examples of Muslims and then hold every single Muslim accountable for that, regardless of what their citizenship is. The issue is France's laws and French Muslims - these people have nothing to do with Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Turkey and their laws.Why is Alcohol banned in Muslim countries, isn't that infringing upon our civil rights as well albeit due to religous reasons ?? Simply because It goes against Muslim ideals just like the Burqa goes against theirs.... When in Rome do what the Romans do.. its as simple as that... No one is telling you to sacrifice your culture or your religion but you need to respect theirs as well and the Burqa is not reprsentative of any civilized society
I don't know where to start. I would like to say in previous thread " Pride Parade in Toronto Sick!!" It seem to me, these bunch are a big crockroaches who are supporting against burqas, terrorrisms, extremisms, zionists, wars, but okay everything with homosexuality. It is shame, crockroaches are not making sense and defending themselves by pointing fingers on God (which is not true). Some of you are still 'college level students' and not fully understood the history of God's purposes.
Why some people are being harsh or hateful on Burqa instead homosexuality? I expect, we should HARSH PROTESTS against pride parades. I just posted for expecting good normally comments but very odd.
Is this forum are speaking for every persons' right? It is not FAIR!
Moderators, are you hypocrisy yourself? I request you to resign of this forum. Screw it up!