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Siha e Sitan will be enough
Burqa - A Security Challenge?
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Oh! okay thanks bro. It will get Siha-e-Sittah books on Hadiths then.
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Fake account?
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Please dont lower yourself down to his level, our argument is more acceptable
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Dont remember, happened a long time ago
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Elmo delete Zarvan's fake account too http://www.defence.pk/forums/members/133000evildeath.html
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Strange perhaps your Arabic isnt quite as good as you think?
Give yourself a Stylish Look with Beautiful Jelbabs
As opposed to the Ghoonghat
Wth?!?!? Man, what are you saying, that it is clearly spelled out the we should look like Hippies? Is the word hippie used?
A normal top and pant/skirt/shorts or a dress would be fine
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Mr first Niqab orders is in the Quran in Surah Al Ahzab if any one has problem with the Translation he can learn Arabic and than know the meaning of the terms used in those ayats
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The Big Debate - Niqab : Wajib or not? Sh.Abu Usamah V Sh.Assim Al-Hakeem - YouTube
Watch this debate its on Niqab being Wajib or Not and its between to great Sheikhs of Islam
Watch this debate its on Niqab being Wajib or Not and its between to great Sheikhs of Islam
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The Big Debate - Common Sense - Wajib or not?
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Mr if its order of ALLAH and His RASOOL SAW than think what answer will you them on the day of judgement
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Alright Mister, listen up - Just read it, you hear, Mister! Don't make me say it again:
September 20, 2011
In Search of Common Ground Over Muslim Dress Codes
By SOUAD MEKHENNET
ZURICH In the late 1980s, the rock star Lou Reed, skewering a number of luminaries in his album New York, pondered aloud whether the expression common ground consisted of words with meaning, or was it just a sound?
It was a question that hung over discussion at a recent forum in Zurich entitled One Young World, a nonprofit organization that was co-founded by the advertising executives David Jones and Kate Robertson and brought together about 1,600 people, mostly under 25, from 190 nations for what might be termed the ultimate gabfest.
They met with businesspeople, listened to speeches of various religious and political leaders, like Desmond Tutu, Muhammad Yunus and Princess Mette-Marit of Norway, and in the process created something akin to a fata morgana, a feeling or illusion that we are all one big happy family.
This was particularly striking at an interfaith discussion after the official panel, during which four women three of them Muslims wearing the veil, and the fourth a Hindu tussled with two businessmen, one from Pakistan and the second from South Africa, over the niqab, the veil for the face.
Tellingly, perhaps, the discussion was initiated by a resident of Latvia who is now studying politics at Duke University in North Carolina. Anastasia Karklina, 19, has most likely passed through enough social upheaval and heard enough pretty words in her life. So this non-Muslim went straight to her point: It was understandable, she said, that participants only wanted to discuss tolerance, and not reality. In many Western countries, she opined, the hatred against Islam is being used for justifying the foreign policy, especially in the U.S.
It is no use, she added, to debate war in the name of religion or to urge tolerance, without discussing the double standards in politics.
How do we want to create an interfaith dialogue if they ban the burqa, discuss the headscarves, dont allow Muslims to build mosques and then even have a preacher who wanted to burn the Koran? Ms. Karklina asked.
Barely had Ms. Karklina spoken when two Muslim women Seja Majeed, an Iraqi Shiite who grew up in Britain and lives in London, and Ajarat Moyosore, a Sunni nurse from Nigeria who lives in Los Angeles, found that their earlier agreement on promoting tolerance and that famous common ground evaporated over the niqab.
The discussion got going when a young Sunni, Melek Yazici, 23, a sourcing analyst at the University of Pittsburgh who moved with her parents from Turkey at age 16, noted that she and her friends had no problems wearing the niqab, despite what she called an increase in anti-Muslim sentiment after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In Turkey, by contrast, she said, women adhere to the model of the secular state and do not wear the veil at school or in college.
Ms. Majeed, 25, challenged her sharply: Dont you think that it would create problems for Islam for everyone to wear the niqab? It is nowhere mentioned in Islam and does make our religion look bad.
Crucially, Ms. Majeed contrasted the situation in Europe, where, she argued, life was hard enough without the question of the veil. Some jobs you cannot get if you are not willing to take off the hijab, she said, pointing to her headscarf. People think of us as the scary Muslims, so we dont need women to wear niqabs.
Ms. Moyosore, 24, immediately shot back: But who are you to decide? If a woman thinks she wants to wear it why shouldnt she? If a woman in Afghanistan who has not been forced to do so believes she has to wear the burqa, then let her.
Emotions and voices rose. Kurshid Ahmed, a Pakistani businessman, tried sarcastic humor to defuse the situation. You know, in Pakistan we say there is much more corruption under the niqab, he joked.
But the women went on undeterred with their debate.
See, we would actually need an intrafaith dialogue, said Deepika Nagabhushan, a businesswoman from Bangalore, India. We all talk about tolerance and common ground between different religions, but whats with the tolerance inside your own religion?
She said she followed some aspects of Hindu tradition not out of belief but because she lives with her parents and does not want to disappoint them.
We have a tradition which says that you are not supposed to touch anyone when you have your periods, she noted.
Heeding that, or wearing the niqab, she suggested, is not just religion, but custom.
Ms Majeed disagreed. No, it is different with the niqab. You are talking about traditions inside your house, but we are talking about the picture which people have about Islam, she said, crossing her arms.
Mr. Ahmed, a banker from the mountainous Gilgit area of Pakistan, tried another approach with Ms. Majeed. See, you are wearing jeans, a long-sleeves shirt and the headscarf, he said. In Britain, that might be O.K., but there are many areas in Pakistan where you couldnt travel the way you are dressed now.
He raised his hands in a gesture of resignation. What can you do these are traditions and dress codes. We have to be tolerant and cannot force people not to wear something.
Still, the Iraqi woman disagreed. No, no, tolerance is a happy medium, she said. Tolerating niqabis would lead to the extreme.
Nico, a 34-year-old businessman from South Africa, asked simply, So what should I teach my 3-year-old son, to be tolerant or not?
There was silence before Ms. Moyosore spoke up. There are so many conflicts in the name of religion and so many conflicts are created because people are picking things from and out of religions which they use to polarize. But we have to build strong identities.
The full dichotomy of Ms. Majeeds dilemma became clear. She feels neither Iraqi nor British. I am not Iraqi because I have a British accent, and if I go to Britain, I am not accepted because of my head scarf.
Fighting back tears, she continued: People like me, we would like to create a society that I belong to. I have spoken to many people who feel stateless.
On that, and that alone, it seemed, the debaters could agree.
So There, Mister!. Think about it, you hear, Mister?! Damn Straight Mister!
September 20, 2011
In Search of Common Ground Over Muslim Dress Codes
By SOUAD MEKHENNET
ZURICH In the late 1980s, the rock star Lou Reed, skewering a number of luminaries in his album New York, pondered aloud whether the expression common ground consisted of words with meaning, or was it just a sound?
It was a question that hung over discussion at a recent forum in Zurich entitled One Young World, a nonprofit organization that was co-founded by the advertising executives David Jones and Kate Robertson and brought together about 1,600 people, mostly under 25, from 190 nations for what might be termed the ultimate gabfest.
They met with businesspeople, listened to speeches of various religious and political leaders, like Desmond Tutu, Muhammad Yunus and Princess Mette-Marit of Norway, and in the process created something akin to a fata morgana, a feeling or illusion that we are all one big happy family.
This was particularly striking at an interfaith discussion after the official panel, during which four women three of them Muslims wearing the veil, and the fourth a Hindu tussled with two businessmen, one from Pakistan and the second from South Africa, over the niqab, the veil for the face.
Tellingly, perhaps, the discussion was initiated by a resident of Latvia who is now studying politics at Duke University in North Carolina. Anastasia Karklina, 19, has most likely passed through enough social upheaval and heard enough pretty words in her life. So this non-Muslim went straight to her point: It was understandable, she said, that participants only wanted to discuss tolerance, and not reality. In many Western countries, she opined, the hatred against Islam is being used for justifying the foreign policy, especially in the U.S.
It is no use, she added, to debate war in the name of religion or to urge tolerance, without discussing the double standards in politics.
How do we want to create an interfaith dialogue if they ban the burqa, discuss the headscarves, dont allow Muslims to build mosques and then even have a preacher who wanted to burn the Koran? Ms. Karklina asked.
Barely had Ms. Karklina spoken when two Muslim women Seja Majeed, an Iraqi Shiite who grew up in Britain and lives in London, and Ajarat Moyosore, a Sunni nurse from Nigeria who lives in Los Angeles, found that their earlier agreement on promoting tolerance and that famous common ground evaporated over the niqab.
The discussion got going when a young Sunni, Melek Yazici, 23, a sourcing analyst at the University of Pittsburgh who moved with her parents from Turkey at age 16, noted that she and her friends had no problems wearing the niqab, despite what she called an increase in anti-Muslim sentiment after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In Turkey, by contrast, she said, women adhere to the model of the secular state and do not wear the veil at school or in college.
Ms. Majeed, 25, challenged her sharply: Dont you think that it would create problems for Islam for everyone to wear the niqab? It is nowhere mentioned in Islam and does make our religion look bad.
Crucially, Ms. Majeed contrasted the situation in Europe, where, she argued, life was hard enough without the question of the veil. Some jobs you cannot get if you are not willing to take off the hijab, she said, pointing to her headscarf. People think of us as the scary Muslims, so we dont need women to wear niqabs.
Ms. Moyosore, 24, immediately shot back: But who are you to decide? If a woman thinks she wants to wear it why shouldnt she? If a woman in Afghanistan who has not been forced to do so believes she has to wear the burqa, then let her.
Emotions and voices rose. Kurshid Ahmed, a Pakistani businessman, tried sarcastic humor to defuse the situation. You know, in Pakistan we say there is much more corruption under the niqab, he joked.
But the women went on undeterred with their debate.
See, we would actually need an intrafaith dialogue, said Deepika Nagabhushan, a businesswoman from Bangalore, India. We all talk about tolerance and common ground between different religions, but whats with the tolerance inside your own religion?
She said she followed some aspects of Hindu tradition not out of belief but because she lives with her parents and does not want to disappoint them.
We have a tradition which says that you are not supposed to touch anyone when you have your periods, she noted.
Heeding that, or wearing the niqab, she suggested, is not just religion, but custom.
Ms Majeed disagreed. No, it is different with the niqab. You are talking about traditions inside your house, but we are talking about the picture which people have about Islam, she said, crossing her arms.
Mr. Ahmed, a banker from the mountainous Gilgit area of Pakistan, tried another approach with Ms. Majeed. See, you are wearing jeans, a long-sleeves shirt and the headscarf, he said. In Britain, that might be O.K., but there are many areas in Pakistan where you couldnt travel the way you are dressed now.
He raised his hands in a gesture of resignation. What can you do these are traditions and dress codes. We have to be tolerant and cannot force people not to wear something.
Still, the Iraqi woman disagreed. No, no, tolerance is a happy medium, she said. Tolerating niqabis would lead to the extreme.
Nico, a 34-year-old businessman from South Africa, asked simply, So what should I teach my 3-year-old son, to be tolerant or not?
There was silence before Ms. Moyosore spoke up. There are so many conflicts in the name of religion and so many conflicts are created because people are picking things from and out of religions which they use to polarize. But we have to build strong identities.
The full dichotomy of Ms. Majeeds dilemma became clear. She feels neither Iraqi nor British. I am not Iraqi because I have a British accent, and if I go to Britain, I am not accepted because of my head scarf.
Fighting back tears, she continued: People like me, we would like to create a society that I belong to. I have spoken to many people who feel stateless.
On that, and that alone, it seemed, the debaters could agree.
So There, Mister!. Think about it, you hear, Mister?! Damn Straight Mister!
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Syria banned the Burka, like several european countries, Dr. Assad however lifted it due to the Request of the sunni Protestors.
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Fake accounts busted and Zarvan banned, this thread went down the drain once mods did the right thing.
I hope the next time when Zarvan 's account is activated, he has a sence of co-existance rather than saying that one religion should rule over the world
I hope the next time when Zarvan 's account is activated, he has a sence of co-existance rather than saying that one religion should rule over the world
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Your post is pathetic, I was hoping that Zarvan gets matured when the ban on this account is lifted and you are voicing that I should go to hell.I think you are going to hell too!
I really wanted friends by peaceful co-existance.
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Sorry, my bad, my eyes did not see it.May I please point out the smilie at the end of my post above?
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