Bundeswehr dismisses Muslim soldier because he did not want to shake hands with female

[Foxtrot Delta]

Most likely they mis-understood as disrespect for women or being sexist. It can happen in europe . they hug women when they greet them. Non muslim europeans.

Its a difference in ideology and perspective. Their country their laws. If u dont like their laws don't go to germany.

 

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This retard should not be in German Army or even in Germany if he thinks this way. There is nothing remotely Muslim about this.

What is not remotely Muslim about it? Many Muslims don't shake hands wih Non-Mahrams as they view it against what is taught by Prophet (SAW) teachings.

this has nothing to do with islam, and everything to do with radical wahabi teachings...

handshake is a universal sign of mutual respect between 2 people in virtually every society/culture in the world.

I just cannot imagine how uncivilized rude and disrespectful someones has to be to refuse a handshake... you don't belong in modern society in my opinion.. go live out in a cave somewhere

What makes you come to such conclusion?

If he doesn't like German society he could always go to the one which is closer to his teachings like Somalia, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

You sound just like those Indians who say to anyone not aligning to the extremist rss ideology or disagreeing with how Pakistan is considered in Bharat to leave India and go to Pakistan.

Absolutely right decision, refusing to shake hands with women just means that this person is a crazy mofo hiding behind religion like many other weirdos.

Care to explain that when such behavior would mean that an individual is just following his/her religious teachings and we should respect that?

You guys born and living in UK are all radicalized fundamentalists, I am born and grown in Pakistan in the "islamic society" and I have no problem shaking hands with a woman, we in Pakistan spit on the faces of "fundamentalist retards" who try to make "an issue of islam" out of simple things like shaking hands with a woman.

It doesn't matter what problem you have or not. Its about what is taught by Islam. You or me practicing it or not is a different matter.

Stop preaching your "made in UK Islam" to me, we don't think in this way. Our Islam in our Pakistani society has always been "flexible", we don't believe in rigid stupidity like you. Our ancestors have always practiced a flexible form of Islam for centuries, no space for rigid radicalized Extremist stupid UK type of Islam in Pakistan.

Many of your ancestors could also be Non-Muslims. That wouldn't make them right and even if they were Muslims, it doesn't mean they are right unless they follow Islam properly.

Our Islam in our Pakistani society has always been "flexible"

so flexible that there are many honor killings. Many become radicalized. Come on, at least don't give such sweeping statements.

Stop preaching your "made in UK Islam" to me, we don't think in this way.

Contrary to what you stated, it's actually the opposite. Most do think this way.




You can agree or disagree with the court decision. But, please don't insult anyone and respect everyone's opinion.
Argue with factual information and knowledge and avoid discussing religion.

P.S: reported post # 5. It was disgusting to say the least.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Look, this is a scenario-specific decision. Perfectly reasonable decision by the German army on the grounds of discrimination. I get the religious point, honestly I do. However, as respectable a position to hold as that is (and it isn't just Muslims who adopt such an approach), the point that such a demonstration may compromise an individual's ability to behave equally towards men and women of his own army in a battlefield scenario is valid. I think the decision is right as you can't be messing around during a war with any such mindsets. It could jeopardise a chain of command.

Based on the specific workplace scenario here, I think the decision is right. In general public interactions, people should be allowed to reserve the right to not touch whoever the hell they don't want to.

 

[Itachi]

Well, he's better off from serving a nation that had no problem roasting millions of Jews and killing million others a 100 years ago.

He can do whatever the **** he wants to.....why does he have to shake a woman's hand?? Does it save Germany from destruction?? Will WW3 happen if he doesn't shake the hand of the opposite gender??

What kind of silly argument is it to discharge someone from the army over small shit like this??

Pathetic....and worse, we have western boot lickers defending former Nazis (some are neo-Nazis now).

 

[mike2000 is back]

I wouldn't shake hands with some hoe either...never know where those hands have gone.

Ahahahah......

He's not a retard and he did the right thing. There are some imperfections in his line of thinking but it isn't the hand shaking. There is Islamic basis for his decision. For example:

Mu'qal Ibn Yasar, may Allah be pleased with him, narrated that the Prophet [peace and blessings be upon him] said: "It is better that you be struck on your head with an iron needle than to touch a woman you are not allowed to" [Reported by al-Ruyani in his Musnad and by al-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al-Kabir)

It's a common Islamic belief to not touch non-mahrem women. I'm surprised some of you guys are ignorant of this. A Muslim teen on the street could've told you this.

He's a new Muslim but he seems to know more about Islam than some of you you by a long shot. The problem lies with your lack of Islamic knowledge rather than him being a lunatic. I think some of you on this forum need to spend less time talking about politics & countries which you'll never really influence & use some of that time to read up on your religion instead.

And what's the deal with some of you being so harsh against this decision? Calling him retard, lunatic, crazy mofo etc... Take a chill pill. Do you have real life frustrations or something which you vent out on here? Like I'm not seeing the need for so much harshness, especially when a google search could've told you that not shaking hands with non-mahrem actually has islamic basis.



https://www.al-islam.org/code-ethic...sayyid-masud-masumi/rules-related-socializing

If the hand shake is skin to skin (which most handshakes are), it's banned by shias too lol. But it's just those radical "wahabis" at it again eh?

I agree that this is a bad move by Germany. Everybody should be allowed to follow their religious beliefs even if it goes against the morals/beliefs/ethics of the home country.
Whether it's right or wrong , that's another topic altogether. So I think he should be allowed not to shake hands with female if he wants to follow his religious belief. We should be accommodative of others religions.
Even though I agree that it becomes difficult when such beliefs goes against a country's own laws. I suppose this is where there need to be reforms/debate about what to do in this circumstances.

What is not remotely Muslim about it? Many Muslims don't shake hands wih Non-Mahrams as they view it against what is taught by Prophet (SAW) teachings.

What makes you come to such conclusion?

You sound just like those Indians who say to anyone not aligning to the extremist rss ideology or disagreeing with how Pakistan is considered in Bharat to leave India and go to Pakistan.

Care to explain that when such behavior would mean that an individual is just following his/her religious teachings and we should respect that?

It doesn't matter what problem you have or not. Its about what is taught by Islam. You or me practicing it or not is a different matter.

Many of your ancestors could also be Non-Muslims. That wouldn't make them right and even if they were Muslims, it doesn't mean they are right unless they follow Islam properly.

so flexible that there are many honor killings. Many become radicalized. Come on, at least don't give such sweeping statements.

Contrary to what you stated, it's actually the opposite. Most do think this way.




You can agree or disagree with the court decision. But, please don't insult anyone and respect everyone's opinion.
Argue with factual information and knowledge and avoid discussing religion.

P.S: reported post # 5. It was disgusting to say the least.

There seems to be some disagreements over if this is Islamic or not. That's the thing with religions as well(this includes Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism etc ) every group always seem to have different interpretations about their religious scriptures. Therein lies the real problem I suppose.

 

[W.11]

he should be glad he didn't end up in the gas chamber.

regards

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Is it allowed in Islam?
Is “not” shaking hands such a terrible thing?
He was a soldier not a shrink to help the woman deal with her fuckin problems.

Meh, how you all different from extremist fuks?
Like them you are also extremists.


Prolly coz he was born there? Is shaking a womans hands part of some fuking ritual?

We muslims are also not allowed to look at na mehrum women. While your culture allows you to things considered vulgar in our religion and culture.

I mean come on!

Isnt following your funking laws and living life of a law abiding citizen enough for you?

Why do you want to force your way of life on others? Live and let live jimmy!



Im not religious not even a practising muslim.

But wtf is wrong with these libtards? Cant live with a guy following his religion? For fuk sakes that guy was a soldier protecting his fukin country that cant live with the fact that the mans following his faith?


There are people who have no problems with their sisters dating and having pre martial sex either.

Now shakin womans hand is also a choice apart from what the religion says.

Doesnt make em right either.

And who the fk is “we”?

Like PM imran Khan said, because of their ignorance they will see their downfall

 

[Crusher]

Ahahahah......


I agree that this is a bad move by Germany. Everybody should be allowed to follow their religious beliefs even if it goes against the morals/beliefs/ethics of the home country.
Whether it's right or wrong , that's another topic altogether. So I think he should be allowed not to shake hands with female if he wants to follow his religious belief. We should be accommodative of others religions.
Even though I agree that it becomes difficult when such beliefs goes against a country's own laws. I suppose this is where there need to be reforms/debate about what to do in this circumstances.


There seems to be some disagreements over if this is Islamic or not. That's the thing with religions as well(this includes Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism etc ) every group always seem to have different interpretations about their religious scriptures. Therein lies the real problem I suppose.

I didn't realize Gangus also have mikes among them.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Is it allowed in Islam?
Is “not” shaking hands such a terrible thing?
He was a soldier not a shrink to help the woman deal with her fuckin problems.

Meh, how you all different from extremist fuks?
Like them you are also extremists.

Its a cultural thing bro, I would never shake hand of Pakistani Muslim female because we're both aware that its against our culture/religion, however living in a country where its norm and people may even be offended if you don't shake their hand is not a great way to live in such society. I'll give you another example, in the UK eye contact is one of the most important aspect of having a conversation yet we know that in our culture strangers from opposite genders would not make eye contact which is actually considered rude here in the UK.

In my limited knowledge I don't think Islam tells us to make our live and other people's lives difficult, this is why I said that If someone is finding it hard to integrate in a society which they believe goes against their values they should leave and avoid further conflict.

 

[Yousafzai_M]

No idea why you guys froth at the mouth about liberal fascism. I have yet to see liberals murder or blow people on the streets. What we do have is religious fascism that you seem to ignore. I notice you have a Union Jack which raises the suspicion that you live in bastion of liberalism - UK.

Going to the subject in hand shaking a hand is not shaking a penis. It's a fcukin hand. And this is the army your talking about where in official situation you might have to shake another persons hand. What if some kraut refused to shake hand because the other person is brown, Muslim or disabled. Would you be fine with that? That is when the "liberal facists" would stand up and deplore such racism/prejudice.

You arse in UK is equal to other citizens exactly because of the liberals. Or you would be branded second class and sent packing back to your country of heritage. In the meantime walk around as a second class citizen with inferior legal rights to rest of the population.

They would fcuk him up so bad that few months down they road he would be begging to come back. I am really sick of these a-ssholes because of their retardness they make life for rest of us difficult.

That is the typical confused (fake) westernized soul with ghulamana zehniyat who try their best to become all 'modern' so much that they forget where they come from.

You agree with the guy being fired because of his refusal to shake hand, thats your opinion, fair enough. But then you should also be 'modern' and 'western' and 'liberal' enough to respect MY opinion of not agreeing with you. And don't use the usual retarded card of 'liberals don't blow up people', that has gone too old because of usage.

I have no problem with you being liberal or whatever you wish to be. Just don't be blinded by hatred of someone who takes their belief serious. Leave that to UKIP, EDL and their cousins on the continent and across the pond.

Oh and thanks for reminding me that I live in the UK, such a paradise that I have to be thankful lol.

I know his kind very well, they love the liberal life of UK actually, most of them are more then happy to pocket the infidel money, even chase their women like a bunch of hyenas but from time to time they become some sort of warriors of Islam.

You should join EDL as you sound like them. Not sue they would take you though lol

 

[Jaanbaz]

You should join EDL as you sound like them. Not sue they would take you though lol

EDL lol? They're nothing more then dumb chavs getting scammed by Tommy Robinson who is on Israel's payroll.