Build Japan-India naval ties

[sancho]

Change of stance wrt Canada and Aus was prodded on by the US no question about that, but isn't it in our interest. India has a genuine enemies in our neighbourhood, The US moves in the Asia/Pacific region was at the behest of its allies SK and Japan. India's look east policy gels quite well with the US policy with Asia. Aus is gearing up to be more active in this scenario. Japan and India are coming closer. The US hasn't made any wrong moves wrt to India, Lets face it its not their fight but they have the presence of mind to give a helping hand. The US acknowledges Indian concerns and are addressing it. In return we are doing our bit by supporting the US economy with a few defense deals. They are not giving us a raw deal till now and are genuinely looking at us as partners. Recently Indian concerns with Burma was actively supported by the US. They don't need to bother but they are taking their job of being a super power seriously and are safeguarding genuine democratic countries interests.

No there is a huge difference in the US policy and of it's allies and Indias policies! Indias look east policy has mainly economical aims, we have no plans of placing troops in other countries like the US. Even our military ties in that area are aimed on fighting terror and piracy, not on countering China.
Also the US didn't changed their policies to us, because they like us now more than they did in the past. Pakistan is still it's main ally in the region, their interests are simply changing and that's the reason why a pro Indian policy was important to them. Today just like in the past, our relations to Russia are an issue, but today China is the much bigger threat to them and with that in mind, India suddenly looked much better to them. Not to mentioned that they are behind anything that makes money and a growing India with a huge market for their products, be it defence or civil related, is important for them. So important that they even pushed the nuclear deal through, although countries like Australia, Canada or Germany were against it initially. Today, any US ally is also happy to get deeper relations to us and although that's opens a lot of potential for us, we have to maintain our independance and keep ourselfs out of the wars of the US!
All the US is looking at are their own interests, nothing else! They want to maintain their superiority and China is indeed a possible challanger and to keep them in check, the US needs us, besides the allies like S. Korea and Japan, that are dependent on the US anyway.

 

[illusion8]

^^^ I agree to most of your points I am not saying we need to fight US's wars alongside them, have we done it in Afg, Iraq or anywhere else. Both of us are happy in maintaining the present status, has it degraded our countries relations cos we have not participated in a US war? the answer is no.
Japan - India - Aus relations will evolve more than economics and will be defense related as well, It will be economics as well cos of the enormous potential that such relations carry, which is a symbiotic relationship. The US - India relations needs to be further built cos this relation is unique, the US wholly acknowledges that we are fiercely non aligned and will not particularly side with the US against any third country except when the matter concerns us or affects us in some manner.
Similarly the US will do what is right and will not expect India's inputs or participation on it. But they will expect a more active Indian participation globally. India and the US have similar goals, we both need to safeguard democracy and a secular way of life. Has the US attacked a democratic country till now? They were quite close to doing it in 71 but that was at the behest of Pakistan, but better sense prevailed and they now know the truth. PK being the true US ally in the region is BS. Nobody would treat an ally like the treatment which the US mets out to its so called ally.
A US-India relations will be business oriented as well because of the opportunities and huge potential that these two countries can reach if utilized effectively.
Lets not become a stooge and the US does not expect us to be one and they very well know that we will not be one. We have our own strengths and we have been lately realizing it.
Its a close band of free countries which have common goals and can do well if the potential is fully realized.

 

[tvsram1992]

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[sancho]

^^^ I agree to most of your points I am not saying we need to fight US's wars alongside them, have we done it in Afg, Iraq or anywhere else. Both of us are happy in maintaining the present status, has it degraded our countries relations cos we have not participated in a US war? the answer is no.
Japan - India - Aus relations will evolve more than economics and will be defense related as well, It will be economics as well cos of the enormous potential that such relations carry, which is a symbiotic relationship. The US - India relations needs to be further built cos this relation is unique, the US wholly acknowledges that we are fiercely non aligned and will not particularly side with the US against any third country except when the matter concerns us or affects us in some manner.
Similarly the US will do what is right and will not expect India's inputs or participation on it. But they will expect a more active Indian participation globally. India and the US have similar goals, we both need to safeguard democracy and a secular way of life. Has the US attacked a democratic country till now? They were quite close to doing it in 71 but that was at the behest of Pakistan, but better sense prevailed and they now know the truth. PK being the true US ally in the region is BS. Nobody would treat an ally like the treatment which the US mets out to its so called ally.
A US-India relations will be business oriented as well because of the opportunities and huge potential that these two countries can reach if utilized effectively.
Lets not become a stooge and the US does not expect us to be one and they very well know that we will not be one. We have our own strengths and we have been lately realizing it.
Its a close band of free countries which have common goals and can do well if the potential is fully realized.

Again, don't confuse the change of US policy towards India with a friendship. They are looking at what is in their interest and just like Pakistan was important for them for decades, because of US interests in terms of countering Russia in Afghanistan, having a counterweight to India and the Indo-Russian ties in the reagion, or the war on terror. Similarly, it is now in US interest to get India on their side to counter China and the more we get into relations with them and their allies, the higher the chances of getting into a dependancy. Just look at S. Korea, Japan or Australia, all fully dependent on the US, be it in terms of defence, economic or even politics. Without US approval, they don't do anything and I don't want to see India in a similar position. I am not against relations with the US, but we have to keep the past in mind, when dealing with them.
Btw, we feel the pressure of US already, in regard to Afhganistan for example, or the relations we had with Iran. Even with our close ties to Israel, we still kept a way to deal with Iran or Palestinians in a good way, but since our relations to the US gets deeper, things will be more difficult to us. The US don't give anything for free and will ask for returns for sure and we have to be aware of that!