BSF calls 'Dhruv' choppers useless

[naveenp]

operators

India

Indian Army Aviation Corps (~40)
Indian Air Force (~35)
Indian Navy (8)
Indian Coast Guard (9)
Border Security Force (8 Ordered)[34]

Burma

Myanmar Air Force (speculated transfer or plan to transfer although no proof exists)[35]

Israel

Ministry of Defense (1)

Nepal

Nepalese Army Air Service (4)

Bolivia

Bolivian Air Force (2 on order)[36]

Ecuador

Ecuadorian Air Force (7)[37] + 2 on order[38]

Suriname

Surinamese National Army - 3 on order[39][40]

Mauritius

Mauritius Police Force[41]

Maldives

National Defence Force [42]

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Civil operators
HAL Dhruv air ambulance in Bangalore, India.

India

Ministry Of Home Affairs - (6)[13]
Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) (3)
Chhattisgarh State Government
Jharkhand State Government for VIP transportation and Police (2)
Karnataka State Government for VIP transportation (1)
Geological Survey of India (GSI) (1 on order)
National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA) (12 on order)

Turkey

Turkish health services(3)[26]

Peru

Peruvian health services (2 on order)[43]

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Specifications (Dhruv)
The Shakti engine

General characteristics

Crew: 1 or 2 pilots
Capacity: 4-12 passengers
Length: 15.87 m (52 ft 0.8 in)
Rotor diameter: 13.20 m (43 ft 3.7 in)
Height: 4.05 m (12 ft 4 in)
Disc area: 137 m² (1,472 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,502 kg (5,515 lb)
Useful load: 2,998 kg ()
Max takeoff weight: 5,500 kg (12,125 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Shakti turboshafts, 1000 kW (1400 shp[52])
Alternate engine: 2x Turbomeca TM 333-2B2 turboshafts of 746 kW (1,000 shp) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 280 km/h (175 mph, 150 kn)
Combat radius: 320 km (200 mi, 175 nmi)
Ferry range: 827 km (516 mi, 447 nmi)
Service ceiling: 8382 m (27,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 8.9 m/s (1,771 ft/min)
Power/mass: 329.73 W/kg (0.20 hp/lb)

Armament

Missiles: **8 Anti-tank guided missiles
4 Air-to-air missiles
4 x 68 mm Rocket Pods (Air-Force & Army)
2 Torpedoes
Depth charges or Anti-ship missiles

 

[naveenp]

Dhruv was produced by HAL and its blueprints were made in 1955....This helicopter cant beat Lama in durability...i am sure if HAL had consulted ISRO and TATA Group of Industries the service ceiling would have been tripled of what it is now but who cares....the corrupt members of Congress only care about their kick-backs and foreign trips...now wasted millions of dollars on this project and in the end we ended up with this useless piece of junk.....BSF and NSG should use them as target drones

r u out of ur mind di (o)k

 

[vikrams]

Only TATA or L&T can make good defence stuff .DRDO can never make any good stuff.
Even their mosquito repellent cant repel mosquitos.

 

[naveenp]

The HAL Light Combat Helicopter (LCH)

Operators

India

Indian Air Force ordered 65 Light Combat Helicopters.[12]
Indian Army ordered 114 Light Combat Helicopters

[edit] Specifications

Data from Defense Update[13] [14]

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 15.8 m (51ft 8in)
Rotor diameter: 13.3 m (43 ft 6 in)
Height: 4.7 m (15 ft 4 in)
Disc area: 138.9 m² (1472 ft²)
Empty weight: 2550 kg (5621 lb)
Loaded weight: 4000 kg (8818 lb)
Useful load: 2950 kg (6503 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 5,700 kg (12125 lb)
Powerplant: 2× HAL/Turbomeca Shakti turboshaft, 1000 kW[15] (1400 shp[16]) each

Performance

Never exceed speed: 330 km/h (178 knots, 207 mph)
Maximum speed: 275 km/h (148 knots, 171 mph)
Cruise speed: 260 km/h (140 knots, 161 mph)
Range: 700km (297 nm, 342 mi)
Service ceiling: 6500 m (21,300 ft)
Rate of climb: 12 m/s (2362 ft/min)
Disc loading: 39.59 kg/m² (8.23 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 327 W/kg (0.198 hp/lb)

Armament

Guns: M621 20 mm cannon on Nexter THL-20 turret
Rockets: Unguided rockets
Missiles: MBDA air-to-air missiles
Air-to-surface missiles
Anti-radiation missiles
Helina ATGM(8)
Bombs: Iron bombs
cluster bomb units
grenade launcher

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

The guys in the frontline betting their lives riding these choppers have the first say in what work and what doesn't work. Your life is not on the line riding these choppers so your option is worthless. It's well known that Indian goods are subpar compared to foreign goods. The Japan-made choppers would definitely be better.

LMAO!The ordinary BSF jawans never even get to see these choppers!These are mostly used to transport Officers and "sometimes" Cas-Evac.You do not operate Indian war crafts so your comparisons are speculative at the most.But yes,the Japanese do build better equipments than India and in some fields USA.

 

[vikrams]

operators

India

Indian Army Aviation Corps (~40)
Indian Air Force (~35)
Indian Navy (8)
Indian Coast Guard (9)
Border Security Force (8 Ordered)[34]

Burma

Myanmar Air Force (speculated transfer or plan to transfer although no proof exists)[35]

Israel

Ministry of Defense (1)

Nepal

Nepalese Army Air Service (4)

Bolivia

Bolivian Air Force (2 on order)[36]

Ecuador

Ecuadorian Air Force (7)[37] + 2 on order[38]

Suriname

Surinamese National Army - 3 on order[39][40]

Mauritius

Mauritius Police Force[41]

Maldives

National Defence Force [42]

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Civil operators
HAL Dhruv air ambulance in Bangalore, India.

India

Ministry Of Home Affairs - (6)[13]
Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) (3)
Chhattisgarh State Government
Jharkhand State Government for VIP transportation and Police (2)
Karnataka State Government for VIP transportation (1)
Geological Survey of India (GSI) (1 on order)
National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA) (12 on order)

Turkey

Turkish health services(3)[26]

Peru

Peruvian health services (2 on order)[43]

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Specifications (Dhruv)
The Shakti engine

General characteristics

Crew: 1 or 2 pilots
Capacity: 4-12 passengers
Length: 15.87 m (52 ft 0.8 in)
Rotor diameter: 13.20 m (43 ft 3.7 in)
Height: 4.05 m (12 ft 4 in)
Disc area: 137 m² (1,472 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,502 kg (5,515 lb)
Useful load: 2,998 kg ()
Max takeoff weight: 5,500 kg (12,125 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Shakti turboshafts, 1000 kW (1400 shp[52])
Alternate engine: 2x Turbomeca TM 333-2B2 turboshafts of 746 kW (1,000 shp) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 280 km/h (175 mph, 150 kn)
Combat radius: 320 km (200 mi, 175 nmi)
Ferry range: 827 km (516 mi, 447 nmi)
Service ceiling: 8382 m (27,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 8.9 m/s (1,771 ft/min)
Power/mass: 329.73 W/kg (0.20 hp/lb)

Armament

Missiles: **8 Anti-tank guided missiles
4 Air-to-air missiles
4 x 68 mm Rocket Pods (Air-Force & Army)
2 Torpedoes
Depth charges or Anti-ship missiles

Everyone bought it in single digit numbers to check its quality.it is the cheapest in its class in the world.they sold it to turkey for a loss of million dollars.(marketing tactics)

 

[harpoon]

The guys in the frontline betting their lives riding these choppers have the first say in what work and what doesn't work. Your life is not on the line riding these choppers so your option is worthless. It's well known that Indian goods are subpar compared to foreign goods. The Japan-made choppers would definitely be better.

This line is used by almost every security agency in the world to get what they want.. but they should understand that unlike many countries India has only limited resources. So you have to work with what you got. Srilankans fought the LTTE which was the most ruthless terrorist organization(armed with SAMs) with Bell helicopters made in the 1960s and a few Russian helicopters. Compared to that BSF have a relatively comfortable job. Dhruv is in the service of may airforces around the world without any major complaint. So BSF better get their act together and learn to fly this modern machines, or stick to older SOPs like ground domination. If they want air cover GoI can get some hot air baloons as it dont need any pilots to fly it and very easy to maintain. All it needs is hot gas which is abundant supply in India.

 

[kingkobra]

these Dhruv's must be over used by BSF as a result they might be giving problems...none of foreign customer has complained yet..BSF should replace its old Dhruvs..

 

[somebozo]

Lets face it, the advance light helicopter is actually big fat overweight and underpowered drag and waste of fuel.
While powers like europe and USA are struggling to cram more and more composite material into advance fighters and choppers, India already claims to master that technology by funny names like ALH and LCA. hahahah

 

[ramu]

Dhruv should be used by BSF and feedback negative or positive fed back to DRDO and they should work on it. A formal channel to raise greviences should be put in place and the issues resolved.

 

[nForce]

Lets face it, the advance light helicopter is actually big fat overweight and underpowered drag and waste of fuel.
While powers like europe and USA are struggling to cram more and more composite material into advance fighters and choppers, India already claims to master that technology by funny names like ALH and LCA. hahahah

lets face it.. you are only here to troll,without having an iota of idea about helicopters.

 

[Hafizzz]

It is in Indian pysche to reject indigenous in favour of foreign products. Put a ' Made in Japan' sticker on Dhruv and these same people will be all praise for the machine.The Home Ministry should tell the security forces to either work with them or take a hike.

Indians do not need to worry because they can get high helicopter technology from Russia :

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/110216-russian-helicopters-assembled-india.html

 

[nForce]

Indians do not need to worry because they can get high helicopter technology from Russia :

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/110216-russian-helicopters-assembled-india.html

We need to make sure that our indigenous products function properly.Cant expect to stay dependent on foreign technology for ever.

 

[Hafizzz]

We need to make sure that our indigenous products function properly.Cant expect to stay dependent on foreign technology for ever.

LOL.....All Indian military hardware are foreign in origin. Now don't tell me that India invented all the military hardware that she is currently using !

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

LOL.....All Indian military are foreign in origin. Now don't tell me that India invented all the military hardware that she is currently using !

Cause India economy increased 3 times in last 6-7 years, its hard to increase military infrastructure in just a short time too.

Thats why with high economy we are buying more.