Brunei adopts sharia law

[Dubious]

I agree with you ..the world has become modern and is changing rapidly and those old medieval laws are simply not compatible these days.I mean have a religion but for goodness sake please become modern and open minded.Don,t adopt something which can reverse our societies and civilizations.
The same applies to hindus,Buddhists, jews and christians as well.

Define modern?

 

[third eye]

I agree with you ..the world has become modern and is changing rapidly and those old medieval laws are simply not compatible these days.I mean have a religion but for goodness sake please become modern and open minded.Don,t adopt something which can reverse our societies and civilizations.
The same applies to hindus,Buddhists, jews and christians as well.

Religious laws were ' best before' the end of the 19th Century.

 

[Dubious]

Religious laws were ' best before' the end of the 19th Century.

what happened in the 19th century? WW?
Power shift from British Raj to America?

 

[Tshering22]

Another balanced nation gone down.

 

[Dubious]

Another balanced nation gone down.

Have you been to Brunei? Do you even know where it was before this thread? If no then how do you know its gone?

 

[Pakistani-nationalist]

Define modern?

Yea killing someone for having a love relationship with a boy or girl and cutting someones hand for stealing instead of taking a civilized court or police action is definitely modern as hell

 

[third eye]

what happened in the 19th century? WW?
Power shift from British Raj to America?

The World Wars happened in the 20th Century.

What happened thereafter was education, communication, travel, mingling of people, mingling of thoughts, the world became smaller, people began to question, non feudal systems of governance took roots, exposure helped in transparency.

Nothing wrong with religion per se . But its a personal thing, someone may be less religious some one more while someone an atheist .

Religious laws leave no room for the opinion & will of the people. The interpretation of some people cannot be abiding to all.

There is so much more, maybe on another thread. Dont want to derail this one.

 

[Black Widow]

Shame Shame...

 

[Dubious]

Yea killing someone for having a love relationship with a boy or girl and cutting someones hand for stealing instead of taking a civilized court or police action is definitely modern as hell

1stly, 4 witness who witnessed the act....so if that is not present the relationship did not happen...however if it is rape...the experts can find out using rape kit and 4 witness are not needed

stealing is a crime....chopping the hands off are not legalized under shariah for say stealing a pencil...According to Shariah the stolen goods must be of enough value to cause a significant decline in the one who was robbed's assets! It does not mean that stealing a tomato from a vendor will be counted....

Secondly some Shariah scholars say they can introduce a 3 strikes and you are out rule for petty theft which was used during some khalif's time...so maybe do some homework...or atleast try to read the article...

Brunei officials have said there will be a high burden of proof required to sentence suspects to harsher punishments. They say criminal cases rose by a third between 2000 and 2008. Arrests for drug abuse surged 50 per cent last year from 2012.

 

[Black Widow]

what happened in the 19th century? WW?
Power shift from British Raj to America?

The concept of Modern Democracy came.

 

[Tshering22]

Have you been to Brunei? Do you even know where it was before this thread? If no then how do you know its gone?

Yes I have been to Brunei four years ago as a part of my work there. Till then, it was a moderate balanced and yet islamic state which did not have issues with non-Muslims practising their faiths. Monetary prosperity is not the only measure to keep sanity.

But as more and more sharia comes in, you will see what I am talking about.

 

[Dubious]

The World Wars happened in the 20th Century.

What happened thereafter was education, communication, travel, mingling of people, mingling of thoughts, the world became smaller, people began to question, non feudal systems of governance took roots, exposure helped in transparency.

Nothing wrong with religion per se . But its a personal thing, someone may be less religious some one more while someone an atheist .

Religious laws leave no room for the opinion & will of the people. The interpretation of some people cannot be abiding to all.

There is so much more, maybe on another thread. Dont want to derail this one.

its a personal thing for you...but for a leader who is Muslim ruling 80% Muslims....Islam is a part of everyday life...plus these are just punishments that people cant seem to digest...

Why?

Because the west prefers giving lethal injects but even then manages to forgive and let serial killers on the road...hence, why it becomes serial crime...why should tax payers feed and house the people who do these crimes?

This thread is very much about the Shariah law...all 1 can say here is shame apart from that...if one would actually take the time to discuss the POV then its not derailing...

As for room for opinion and will of people...Shariah law are not written in stone...they can very well be changed but you need a good reason...

You see unlike the western laws, Shariah does not cater for heinous crimes, they dont make tax payers pay to house and feed heinous offenders (rape is a heinous crime as it destroys the woman completely forever from psychological to physical to no room in society no matter how much one denies it it is the truth!)

I ask this same question, when even a gora's wife/ daughter is put in the shoes of a rape victim he would wanna kill the rapist...so why do people object when Shariah says yes thats what it should be? So only your daughter and wife are sacred what about someone else's the state needs to protect everyone's daughters, wives and sisters not just yours!

The concept of Modern Democracy came.

Which has yet to show success!

 

[HariPrasad]

Brunei adopts sharia law; punishments include whipping, amputation - IBNLive

Kuala Lumpur: The sultanate of Brunei this week becomes the first East Asian country to introduce Islamic criminal law, the latest example of a deepening religious conservatism that has also taken root in parts of neighboring Malaysia and Indonesia.
Brunei, a tiny former British protectorate of about 400,000 nestled between two Malaysian states on Borneo Island, relies on oil and gas exports for its prosperity, with annual per capita income of nearly $50,000. It is the first country in East Asia to adopt the criminal component of sharia at a national level.
Run by Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah, 67, Brunei has no national elections, but any discontent has been assuaged by high, tax-free incomes and benefits like free education and health care. By 2035, though, Brunei's net exports of oil and gas will almost halve, according to the Asian Development Bank. Efforts to diversify the economy have made limited progress.

The sultan, said by diplomats to have become more religious, announced the introduction of sharia as a "great achievement".
From Wednesday, residents of the country dominated by Malay Muslims face conviction by Islamic courts and fines or jail terms for offences like pregnancy outside marriage, failure to perform Friday prayers, and propagating other religions.
A second phase comes into effect 12 months later covering offences for theft and alcohol consumption by Muslims, punishable by whipping and amputations. The death penalty, including by stoning, will be introduced in the final phase a year later for offences including adultery, sodomy and insulting the Koran or the Prophet Muhammad. Most of the laws will also apply to non-Muslims.
That raises concern among Western workers in the oil sector and tens of thousands of ethnic Chinese Bruneians and 30,000 mostly Roman Catholic Filipino migrant workers. About 20 per cent of residents are non-Muslim, including substantial Buddhist and Christian communities.
The United Nations Commission on Human Rights denounced the new system for applying the death penalty to a wide range of offences. Several of the penalties constitute torture under international law, said Emerlynne Gil, Southeast Asia legal adviser for the International Commission of Jurists.
"A lot of these provisions and penalties discriminate against women. Stoning to death normally has a huge impact on women because more often than not they are found guilty of these crimes," Gil told Reuters.
US news reports this week said celebrities, including US television personality Ellen DeGeneres and British actor Stephen Fry had launched a boycott of a hotel chain owned by the sultan on grounds that the new laws criminalized homosexuality. Brunei's religious affairs ministry, which is coordinating the implementation of the new laws, did not respond to Reuters request for comment.
A Christian priest in Brunei contacted by Reuters said he was concerned by the development, but hoped the new system would be enforced less strictly than set down in the written law.
"They have been giving seminars to different groups to clarify," said the priest, who declined to be identified. He said, authorities "seem genuinely concerned" at suggestions that the system would have an all-pervasive enforcement network.
Brunei's top Islamic scholar denied any suggestion that the system would lead to extremes, persecution or cruelty. "It is not indiscriminate cutting or stoning or caning," Awang Abdul Aziz was quoted as saying by state media after the law was announced. "There are conditions and there are methods that are just and fair."
Brunei officials have said there will be a high burden of proof required to sentence suspects to harsher punishments. They say criminal cases rose by a third between 2000 and 2008. Arrests for drug abuse surged 50 per cent last year from 2012.
Diplomats say it remains unclear how the new system will work in practice and operate alongside the police and courts under the existing British-based legal system. The religious turn taken by the sultan contrasts with a reputation for decadent excess gained by the royal family.
Late pop idol Michael Jackson was paid a reported $17 million to give a concert in Brunei in 1996 to mark the sultan's 50th birthday.
Details of the lavish lifestyle of the sultan's brother, former finance minister Prince Jefri, including owning hundreds of luxury cars and a large yacht - became public during a family legal feud.
Critics say the new penal code will give authorities expanded powers to stifle dissent at a time when palace officials are concerned about dwindling energy reserves. "A common concern among the palace elite is that the gas is going to run out. The population's loyalty has been bought with gas money," said Maung Zarni, a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics who quit the Darussalam Brunei University in 2013 over what he said was a lack of academic freedom.
Responding to a rare outbreak of dissent on social media, the sultan warned in February that anyone criticising the new laws could be punished under their provisions. Strengthening the governing principle of "Malay Islamic Monarchy", he said, was a crucial "firewall" against globalization, he said.
Leaders of Malaysia's Islamist PAS party, part of the opposition, say the move has accelerated their bid to install sharia punishments in Kelantan state, which they control.
In Indonesia, some districts have sharia-inspired bylaws but Aceh is the only province allowed to implement it as law. The province has its own sharia police force and courts that enforce strict laws against gambling, promiscuity and alcohol.

Back to that dark age of 15th century.

 

[Dubious]

Yes I have been to Brunei four years ago as a part of my work there. Till then, it was a moderate balanced and yet islamic state which did not have issues with non-Muslims practising their faiths. Monetary prosperity is not the only measure to keep sanity.

there is a difference between practicing and preaching...No one can stop you from practicing in a Muslim country!

But as more and more sharia comes in, you will see what I am talking about.

Shariah will not distort anything, the people who implement it might....

and as for the death penalty for killing, the final part allows the person to ask the victim's family for forgiveness and the court begs them to have mercy for ALLAH will show mercy on those who are merciful to HIS people....so basically, if you killed like a mad man, someone can still show mercy to you...

Back to that dark age of 15th century.

Dont worry it wont affect you, you have the Indian ocean protecting you

 

[onu1886]

I comment but I dont comment if say India wants to break coconuts for every function!

I could point out the threads in which you have commented even in the most trivial issues related to India but I could'nt Be bothered.
FYI this is not just any another matter related to Brunei , it relates to changes in their constitution which can affect foreigners as well .So we are allowed to comment on this.