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In the slow-moving historical chess game that underlies the Sino-Indian border dispute, last month saw an important public acknowledgement in Beijing of an important concession from London that kicked the legs out from under the McMahon Line, which India claims as the Sino-Indian border in Arunachal Pradesh. Chen Yanqi, a government-affiliated scholar, praised a major British policy shift that, in 2008, acknowledged Tibet as a part of China. In the China Daily of 18th June, Chen approvingly noted that London had “resolved the last remaining historical issue between China and Britain.”

Chen was referring to former British foreign secretary David Miliband’s repudiation of Britain’s longstanding policy that, since the Simla Convention of 1914, had conceded to China a “special position,” but not sovereignty over Tibet, which was “autonomous.” Miliband’s earthshaking withdrawal, posted so innocuously on the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) website that it remained unnoticed for a month, apologetically termed that position an “anachronism” based on “the outdated concept of suzerainty”, and declared that, “Like every other EU member state, and the United States, we regard Tibet as part of the People’s Republic of China.”

Miliband thus placed a glaring question mark over the legitimacy of the McMahon Line, which Lhasa and New Delhi had agreed upon at the Simla Convention in 1914. If Tibet was a part of China, Lhasa could not sign a treaty without Beijing’s explicit permission. Since 1914, China has termed the Simla Convention illegitimate.

This inexplicable concession gave Beijing breathing room in continuing its brutal crackdown on a stubborn Tibetan uprising in 2008 in Kham and Amdo, Tibetan-inhabited regions that Communist China had merged into the Chinese provinces of Sichuan, Gansu and Qinghai. It also allowed Beijing to scuttle an ongoing dialogue with the Dalai Lama, the legal and political cornerstone of which was Tibetan “autonomy”. But London’s focus was on the economic recession. Shortly before Miliband issued his statement, British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown had asked Beijing for money for the International Monetary Fund.

Tibet experts, like Robert Barnett of Columbia University, termed Miliband’s concession “China’s most significant achievement on Tibet since American support for Tibetan guerrillas was ended before Nixon’s visit to Beijing.” (The New York Times, 24th Nov 08, “Did Britain Just Sell Tibet?”). Worryingly, Barnett noted that Britain had just “discarded” the basis of India’s claim to a large chunk of territory in its northeast, including Tawang.

Miliband’s statement has drawn only silence from New Delhi. Beijing too has kept quiet, but for a different reason. China experts say that the Communist Party does not want the Chinese public to learn of an alternative history involving Tibetan autonomy and suzerainty. But Chen Yanqi broke that silence last month, apparently with Beijing’s blessings, rebuking those who had criticised London’s backward quickstep: “…there are still people who continue to see this late-coming decision as a major loss for Britain. These people need to give up their colonial mentality and imperialist arrogance.”

Chen was apparently referring to critics of Miliband’s statement, as well as to the UK’s current prime minister, David Cameron, who met the Dalai Lama in London in May, along with his deputy, Nick Clegg.

Speaking to Business Standard, Robert Barnett argues that India has a strong reason to question the UK’s turnaround. “I’m interested in seeing if India would ask Britain to publicly and formally clarify its statement on the Simla Agreement. The British have substantially weakened India’s position and claim on the boundary. Previous colonial powers need to be reminded that they have responsibilities when they discuss issues relating to successor powers when they are talking about historical relations.”

Barnett points out that the internal consultations that preceded Miliband’s “monumental policy shift” were limited and conducted at a very late stage. “I don’t think there was a policy review process and due consultations with legal and historical experts. This needs to be done,” he says.

India has taken a nuanced position on Tibet since the 1954 Panchsheel Agreement, recognising the Tibetan Autonomous Region as a part of the People’s Republic of China, while making no mention of Tibet’s pre-1949 status. The Miliband statement mentions “Tibet”, but also “the People’s Republic of China.” This leaves the door open for the British government to formally clarify that its recognises Tibet’s independence pre-1949.

The previous British position on Tibet was described in a policy statement of October 1995, which begins: "Successive British Governments have consistently regarded Tibet as autonomous, although we recognise the special position of the Chinese there. This remains our view. We have stressed to the Chinese authorities the need for fuller autonomy in Tibet. However, we do not regard independence for Tibet as a realistic option as Tibet has never been internationally recognised as an independent State, and no member of the UN regards Tibet as independent." ('Government Policy on Tibet', a Statement from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Oct. 1995)

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2012/07/british-question-mark-lingers-over.html
 
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these fu***** must stay away from Asia.........

Apparently, some of these goons still life in the victorian era :hitwall:
 
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well it's a very important development & can undermine our effort to make mac-mohan line the international boundary b/w the two asian giants. Our entire theory is based on the Shimla agreement of 1912 which China din't sign. If Britishers recognize that Tibet is the sovereign part of China than we lose all the point, since if Tibet do not have the power to sign the treaty how than mac-mohan line can be recognized international border. British going with the tide, China is the next superpower, & if good relations are not maintained with it, British economy has hardly any future. So in a dispute b/w 2 rising powers India & China, for now Britain is going with the latter at the cost of it's relationship with the former.

P.S. Happy that Typhoon is not selected in the mmrca :tup:
 
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No body give %$%#@ what some rag tag white Londoner has to say about the borders of India. India is capable enough to solve its issues by establishing new set of rules, points of engaging and drafting fresh accords with China.
 
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well it's a very important development & can undermine our effort to make mac-mohan line the international boundary b/w the two asian giants. Our entire theory is based on the Shimla agreement of 1912 which China din't sign. If Britishers recognize that Tibet is the sovereign part of China than we lose all the point, since if Tibet do not have the power to sign the treaty how than mac-mohan line can be recognized international border. British going with the tide, China is the next superpower, & if good relations are not maintained with it, British economy has hardly any future. So in a dispute b/w 2 rising powers India & China, for now Britain is going with the latter at the cost of it's relationship with the former.

P.S. Happy that Typhoon is not selected in the mmrca :tup:

India has already accepted China's suzerainty over Tibetan Autonomous region, do you think we were fool not to understand those technicalities?

Did Chinese gave a squat when it was against them ?
 
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No body give %$%#@ what some rag tag white Londoner has to say about the borders of India. India is capable enough to solve its issues by establishing new set of rules, points of engaging and drafting fresh accords with China.

I know Britain is no longer the colonial superpower it used to be once, but the statements of the British foreign secretary & it's ministry are important since the mac-mohan line was agreed b/w British India & Tibet with China not acknowledging it, if Britain changes it's position now means Indian policy vis-a-vis border dispute with China completely jeopardizes.
 
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I know Britain is no longer the colonial superpower it used to be once, but the statements of the British foreign secretary & it's ministry are important since the mac-mohan line was agreed b/w British India & Tibet with China not acknowledging it, if Britain changes it's position now means Indian policy vis-a-vis border dispute with China completely jeopardizes.

Chinese can not present this recent recognition of UK when they have stated the Simla convention of 1914 as null and void because they were not signatory.
 
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well it's a very important development & can undermine our effort to make mac-mohan line the international boundary b/w the two asian giants. Our entire theory is based on the Shimla agreement of 1912 which China din't sign.

Incorrect. We should have no problem if China doesn't accept the Mcmahon line. And any agreement with China, with regards to Tibetan borders may not be honoured by future Govt of Tibet. Tibetans are not bound by whatever china agrees to, with India.

There has been no historically defined border between India and Tibet (esp if the "british" agreement of 1912 is also forgotten ... We automatically get historical claims to Mansarover.. and a lot of what is encroached upon by china on the pretext of being Tibet.

The entire discussions of 1912 get annulled ... and we get much more claims to himalayan ranges, which the British simply gifted to "Tibet" in 1912.

China, in any case has no claims for any agreed border. Their historical boundaries lie along the "Great wall of China" which is self acknowldedged and delineated. Their "emperors" acknowledge that the rest of the regions were just colonies ... and the era of colonialism is now over.

Tibet will prove to be a much peaceful neighbour for India .. than China can ever be !!!!!!!

It's good if we are not bound by whatever treaties the "british" entered into, on behalf of India.

If Britishers recognize that Tibet is the sovereign part of China than we lose all the point, since if Tibet do not have the power to sign the treaty how than mac-mohan line can be recognized international border.

As explained above, we stand to gain.. not lose ... if the treaties "british" entered on behalf of India are not accepted by us ... leave alone china.

British going with the tide, China is the next superpower, & if good relations are not maintained with it, British economy has hardly any future. So in a dispute b/w 2 rising powers India & China, for now Britain is going with the latter at the cost of it's relationship with the former.


For all we know, china is as much a super power .. as the Soviet Union was in 1985 ... wait for 5-10 years and we may have to deal with a "Commonwealth of Chinese States".

It's better that we let future take it's course, and we settle our border with Tibet, with the Govt of Tibet.

P.S. Happy that Typhoon is not selected in the mmrca :tup:

US doesn't treat the british as the powers whom they fought with in 1776.

And we don't launch an attack against Afghanistan to revenge Nadir Shah or Durrani.

It's a different Afghanistan.. and it'a different Britain.

We should have bought the Typhoon, if it could successfully compete ... and meet our needs.

It failed, hence got rejected. No point acting stupid out of dogma.
 
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every state and region was willing to join the Dominion of Sovereign Socialist Republic of India, who are britishers to decide which Indian region belongs to whom after 65 years? They have to deal with India directly!
 
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the pervert imperialists came here, looted, murdered and robbed the entire subcontinent and left 5000 km long disputed border and now these FUKCS dare to come back???!!!!
 
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Britishers should first give freedom to Ireland. then we will think about all the agreements :azn:
 
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