British Muslims fighting alongside Taliban

[dabong1]

If the british army leaves afghanistan will it be okay for british muslims to fight alongside the taliban?

Why was it okay and actually promoted by the british govt for muslims to go and fight in afghanistan before 9/11.

Did everyone disagree with british muslims fighting along with the mujahadeen during the soviet occupation.

If paksitan went to war against india would pakistan reject help from british muslims in fighting the war.

I personally think its not the taliban that is the problem for muslim/western nations but al qaeda and co.

 

[ajpirzada]

If the british army leaves afghanistan will it be okay for british muslims to fight alongside the taliban?

Why was it okay and actually promoted by the british govt for muslims to go and fight in afghanistan before 9/11.

Did everyone disagree with british muslims fighting along with the mujahadeen during the soviet occupation.

If paksitan went to war against india would pakistan reject help from british muslims in fighting the war.

I personally think its not the taliban that is the problem for muslim/western nations but al qaeda and co.

do u really think al qaeda actually exists. never heard of it other than from western sources.

 

[Vinod2070]

Why, don't you have the roadside guys selling posters of OBL in the streets of Peshwar (and may be other places too)?

 

[RescueRanger]

Vinod, AQ is just a mythical boogeyman. However the Taliban sure do exist. Personally i dont know what is wrong with these British "Muslim" idiots! Do the real Jihad, study, work hard, look after your family and parents, raise your children and help the communtiy you work in.

I was disgusted and horrified when the London Bombers were called "Pakistani-British"... Hang on a min, they only visited Pakistan... Sure their grand parents were "Pakistani- we are talking 3/4th Gen British" so how are they Pakistani's exactly?

British Born and breed, come to our country only to tarnish our image, no SIR! I bet none of them even spoke a word of Urdu. As far as i am concerned the British Government should lock them up and throw away the key!

How can you bite the hand that feeds you, the nation that has given you identity, respect, a job, security, a home!... These idiots dont represent Islam and they sure as HELL dont represent PAKISTAN!

 

[Vinod2070]

Vinod, AQ is just a mythical boogeyman. However the Taliban sure do exist. Personally i dont know what is wrong with these British "Muslim" idiots! Do the real Jihad, study, work hard, look after your family and parents, raise your children and help the communtiy you work in.

I was disgusted and horrified when the London Bombers were called "Pakistani-British"... Hang on a min, they only visited Pakistan... Sure their grand parents were "Pakistani- we are talking 3/4th Gen British" so how are they Pakistani's exactly?

British Born and breed, come to our country only to tarnish our image, no SIR! I bet none of them even spoke a word of Urdu. As far as i am concerned the British Government should lock them up and throw away the key!

How can you bite the hand that feeds you, the nation that has given you identity, respect, a job, security, a home!... These idiots dont represent Islam and they sure as HELL dont represent PAKISTAN!

Much of what you said is right on target as I see it. I am just not sure that AQ is just a mythical bogeyman as you put it. Here are my reasons:

If we accept that, then we also have to perforce conclude that 9/11 was an inside job that was done so cleverly that no one has been able to prove it. That theory is difficult to accept and has been discredited right on this forum.

Who is the source of so much terror worldwide in that case? There was a report of 11000 terror attacks since 9/11 worldwide. You are surely aware of some of the big ticket ones like the Cole attack, London bombings, Madrid and so on. Even Pakistan government is claiming to fight AQ! Is that all a hoax? How so?

Basically this theory forces us to believe that there is a massive conspiracy by almost the entire world going on currently. I will believe it if I see some facts about it. There is no reason to do that now.

P.S.: While I see your point about the London bombers being British born and bred, it will be a mistake to totally dismiss the Pakistan link. They did what they did not because they were British. In fact the opposite was the case, they did not feel British.

They may not be Pakistani nationals ever, they indulged in the act because of their Pakistani heritage. I am not sure if you want to claim they had none of it.

I will argue that the behavior of South Asians (and other immigrants too) is still governed by their heritage to a very large extent when they settle in their host countries. To totally dismiss the connection would be naive.

So Pakistan as a nations should not be blamed for that attack as long as it is established that those who trained them in Pakistan did not enjoy state patronage. I am not sure everyone sees it that way.

 

[RescueRanger]

Much of what you said is right on target as I see it. I am just not sure that AQ is just a mythical bogeyman as you put it. Here are my reasons:

If we accept that, then we also have to perforce conclude that 9/11 was an inside job that was done so cleverly that no one has been able to prove it. That theory is difficult to accept and has been discredited right on this forum.

Who is the source of so much terror worldwide in that case? There was a report of 11000 terror attacks since 9/11 worldwide. You are surely aware of some of the big ticket ones like the Cole attack, London bombings, Madrid and so on. Even Pakistan government is claiming to fight AQ! Is that all a hoax? How so?

Basically this theory forces us to believe that there is a massive conspiracy by almost the entire world going on currently. I will believe it if I see some facts about it. There is no reason to do that now.

P.S.: While I see your point about the London bombers being British born and bred, it will be a mistake to totally dismiss the Pakistan link. They did what they did not because they were British. In fact the opposite was the case, they did not feel British.

They may not be Pakistani nationals ever, they indulged in the act because of their Pakistani heritage. I am not sure if you want to claim they had none of it.

I will argue that the behavior of South Asians (and other immigrants too) is still governed by their heritage to a very large extent when they settle in their host countries. To totally dismiss the connection would be naive.

So Pakistan as a nations should not be blamed for that attack as long as it is established that those who trained them in Pakistan did not enjoy state patronage. I am not sure everyone sees it that way.

Very well balanced, thank you for your reply.

 

[A.Rahman]

Why, don't you have the roadside guys selling posters of OBL in the streets of Peshwar (and may be other places too)?

He is seen as the only voice who can take action against US war machine.

This way maybe wrong, but in eyes of people he is better then "Gov" who just talk and do nothing.

 

[Vinod2070]

He is seen as the only voice who can take action against US war machine.

This way maybe wrong, but in eyes of people he is better then "Gov" who just talk and do nothing.

But then he is also accused by some to be either a bogeyman or even a CIA creation! His actions have killed mostly Muslims besides creating several other problems for them.

We seem to be chasing shadows here. Nothing makes sense and Pakistanis are anyway a bit fond of conspiracy theories.

 

[dabong1]

do u really think al qaeda actually exists. never heard of it other than from western sources.

Do i think a group exists that is twisting islam to fit its own agenda.....yes
Call it what you want al qaeda,takfiris ect but there is a small but powerful group that is attacking islam from the inside.

 

[x_man]

Do i think a group exists that is twisting islam to fit its own agenda.....yes
Call it what you want al qaeda,takfiris ect but there is a small but powerful group that is attacking islam from the inside.

What do you call these guys in a broad day light in London ? How much good service they are doing for Islam or its followers ?

YouTube - Radical Islam Over Runs London Streets

 

[roadrunner]

What do you call these guys in a broad day light in London ? How much good service they are doing for Islam or its followers ?

YouTube - Radical Islam Over Runs London Streets

LOL, good find.

Daft Jamaican. He speaks fluently though, one wonders why he can't do something useful with his life.

 

[roadrunner]

What do you call these guys in a broad day light in London ? How much good service they are doing for Islam or its followers ?

YouTube - Radical Islam Over Runs London Streets

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

OMG. I just saw the end of that.

I can just imagine being surrounded by them withtheir fingers pointing at me saying "Reppppeennnnntttt, in the name of you lord!".

I don't understand why these twats aren't deported.

 

[ANDUBYLL]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

OMG. I just saw the end of that.

I can just imagine being surrounded by them withtheir fingers pointing at me saying "Reppppeennnnntttt, in the name of you lord!".

I don't understand why these twats aren't deported.

How exactly is this Jamaican brother furthering the cause of Islam ? Surely most muslims will find this repulsive if not downright embarassing !!

I guess the BNP (British Nationalist Party) would be the only ones pleased as more white Brits , go to them after seeing this !

Secondly, this Jamaican mon would either be on welfare or earning his livelyhood in Britain, a country that he despises so much. At least he should realise that Britain gives him his daily bread and the freedom to express his (almost) treason views.

 

[dabong1]

What do you call these guys in a broad day light in London ? How much good service they are doing for Islam or its followers ?

Its the usual bunch of "found islam at uni" idiots.
I used come across a lot these types of people...always trying so hard to convert you to the real islam but after a couple of well directed questions they all start to crumble.
The police needs to sort these wa*kers out and arrest them.